How Much Did It Really Cost

How Much Did It Really Cost

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Doris Borgelt

Arnold, MO

#1 Jun 7, 2013
Rundown of the settlement:
Original assessment to Ozark Hills was $266,286.32 or 80% of the NID.

City's portion of the Ozark Bridge Project only as it pertains to the Ozark Hills Park Properties;
Agreed to absorb $131,000 remaining of the assessment
$ 9,609 awarded by condemnation commissioners
$160,000 paid for portion of land north of the new bridge
$ unspecified miscellaneous waived excess sewer and grass fees
$300,609
$ 30,000 awarded and paid by MIRMA
$330,609
All of this in addition to the hours billed by Sweeney! That is something that needs to be known, how many hours did he bill on this case?
On this project the city also purchased a piece of property that was in the flood plain from another resident at around $5000 and absorbed that(9832.45) portion of the assessment and paid close to $20,000 for paving the private road owned by the three families at the end. Let's not forget the $30,000+ that was thrown away with the original bridge plans!
The award of $30,000 was another payout by MIRMA in the last year.
A resident of Ozark Dr. complained that it was not fair to the rest of the residents who have assessments. He cannot even access his property from that side of the bridge. Agreed! Maybe all of the members of the NID will realize the whole thing was not "fair." Was it a plan to get some unsuspecting businessman from out of town to pay for the city's bridge to nowhere? The city wanted it per their transportation plan, but they surely didn't want to pay for it, nor did the city attorney's private clients! The plan backfired, as the city has ended up paying more than Ozark Hills Park Properties was assessed in the first place.

Letusnamenames

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#2 Jun 7, 2013
Doris Borgelt wrote:
Rundown of the settlement:
Original assessment to Ozark Hills was $266,286.32 or 80% of the NID.

City's portion of the Ozark Bridge Project only as it pertains to the Ozark Hills Park Properties;
Agreed to absorb $131,000 remaining of the assessment
$ 9,609 awarded by condemnation commissioners
$160,000 paid for portion of land north of the new bridge
$ unspecified miscellaneous waived excess sewer and grass fees
$300,609
$ 30,000 awarded and paid by MIRMA
$330,609
All of this in addition to the hours billed by Sweeney! That is something that needs to be known, how many hours did he bill on this case?
On this project the city also purchased a piece of property that was in the flood plain from another resident at around $5000 and absorbed that(9832.45) portion of the assessment and paid close to $20,000 for paving the private road owned by the three families at the end. Let's not forget the $30,000+ that was thrown away with the original bridge plans!
The award of $30,000 was another payout by MIRMA in the last year.
A resident of Ozark Dr. complained that it was not fair to the rest of the residents who have assessments. He cannot even access his property from that side of the bridge. Agreed! Maybe all of the members of the NID will realize the whole thing was not "fair." Was it a plan to get some unsuspecting businessman from out of town to pay for the city's bridge to nowhere? The city wanted it per their transportation plan, but they surely didn't want to pay for it, nor did the city attorney's private clients! The plan backfired, as the city has ended up paying more than Ozark Hills Park Properties was assessed in the first place.
Anti Sugary Treats, your amounts don't add up. And in my opinion I think you have just proven that you don't "always post under your real name" as you always claimed you did. I think you lie.
Hmmmmmm

Arnold, MO

#3 Jun 7, 2013
Interesting
Doris Borgelt

Arnold, MO

#4 Jun 7, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
<quoted text>
Anti Sugary Treats, your amounts don't add up. And in my opinion I think you have just proven that you don't "always post under your real name" as you always claimed you did. I think you lie.
I don't see where anti sugary treats posted on this thread, but if you are disputing the numbers, feel free to back your assertion with documentation that refutes them. By the way, the settlement agreement is posted on Scribd. http://www.scribd.com/doc/146301180/Ozark-Set...

Letusnamenames

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#5 Jun 7, 2013
Doris Borgelt wrote:
<quoted text>I don't see where anti sugary treats posted on this thread, but if you are disputing the numbers, feel free to back your assertion with documentation that refutes them. By the way, the settlement agreement is posted on Scribd. http://www.scribd.com/doc/146301180/Ozark-Set...
You all, in my opinion, are the same person "sweet cheeks".

Now post your Sunshine Request showing where you asked for the copy. If this was provided without that request (which means you got it from Rosenfeld) then he is in violation of the agreement. Failure to post that means that the fact that you have a opt needs to be brought to the City's attention.

Letusnamenames

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#6 Jun 7, 2013
Doris Borgelt wrote:
Rundown of the settlement:
Original assessment to Ozark Hills was $266,286.32 or 80% of the NID.

City's portion of the Ozark Bridge Project only as it pertains to the Ozark Hills Park Properties;
Agreed to absorb $131,000 remaining of the assessment
$ 9,609 awarded by condemnation commissioners
$160,000 paid for portion of land north of the new bridge
$ unspecified miscellaneous waived excess sewer and grass fees
$300,609
$ 30,000 awarded and paid by MIRMA
$330,609
All of this in addition to the hours billed by Sweeney! That is something that needs to be known, how many hours did he bill on this case?
On this project the city also purchased a piece of property that was in the flood plain from another resident at around $5000 and absorbed that(9832.45) portion of the assessment and paid close to $20,000 for paving the private road owned by the three families at the end. Let's not forget the $30,000+ that was thrown away with the original bridge plans!
The award of $30,000 was another payout by MIRMA in the last year.
A resident of Ozark Dr. complained that it was not fair to the rest of the residents who have assessments. He cannot even access his property from that side of the bridge. Agreed! Maybe all of the members of the NID will realize the whole thing was not "fair." Was it a plan to get some unsuspecting businessman from out of town to pay for the city's bridge to nowhere? The city wanted it per their transportation plan, but they surely didn't want to pay for it, nor did the city attorney's private clients! The plan backfired, as the city has ended up paying more than Ozark Hills Park Properties was assessed in the first place.
You can't count MIRMA because it came from the insurance policy, NOT the city. Way to twist the facts yet again Doris.
Doris Borgelt

Arnold, MO

#8 Jun 7, 2013
If you look closely and pay attention, I purposely totaled what the city paid, then separately showed that MIRMA had paid an additional $30,000. No facts twisted, just facts.
Doris Borgelt

Arnold, MO

#9 Jun 7, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
<quoted text>
You all, in my opinion, are the same person "sweet cheeks".
Now post your Sunshine Request showing where you asked for the copy. If this was provided without that request (which means you got it from Rosenfeld) then he is in violation of the agreement. Failure to post that means that the fact that you have a opt needs to be brought to the City's attention.
Why don't you make a Sunshine request to the city and ask for a copy of my Sunshine request? They'll either tell you they have it, or not. You have a great day, sunshine, cause you are special! Maybe take yourself one of those longs walks people keep suggesting to you :)

Letusnamenames

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#10 Jun 7, 2013
Doris Borgelt wrote:
<quoted text>Why don't you make a Sunshine request to the city and ask for a copy of my Sunshine request? They'll either tell you they have it, or not. You have a great day, sunshine, cause you are special! Maybe take yourself one of those longs walks people keep suggesting to you :)
And you have just shown why you should never have been elected Mayor. Your attitude towards the citizens stinks and you have no problem suggesting people kill themselves. The people chose right in the last election.

Letusnamenames

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#13 Jun 8, 2013
remember when wrote:
<quoted text>How about you let go of that keyboard thats resting on top of your sit and spin and go get your own sunshine request, you lying, know it all, crazy person ???

Just what part of that good information would you like to dispute? Oh that's right ....its just your soul purpose and intent to derail each and every conversation.
Actually I didn't derail it and my request has everything to do with the Ozark thing.

You label everyone that doesn't blindly follow you as crazy. I find it impossible to believe that there are that many crazy people and that 2/3 of Arnold citizens are crazy (the amount that voted against Doris). Ever think that YOU'RE the crazy one? Yep, I think that's it. How come you only post when Doris becomes active on here again and you disappear when she does? Hmmmmm......

Why don't you sit and spin. Maybe you'll find that stick up your "bleep".

Letusnamenames

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#15 Jun 9, 2013
remember when wrote:
I wouldn't let you follow me to the gas station. That straight jacket your sporting would be far too embarassing.
I think most including me has grown tired of your doris stalking. She isn't running for office. Move on and get over yourself would ya?

Exactly which figures in the first post would you like to dispute?
I could care less about Doris. You keep referring to the current mayor and demanding his resignation when 2/3 of the city wanted him as mayor. That says a lot about his opponent.
Back on Topic

Arnold, MO

#16 Jun 9, 2013
This thread is about the settlement for the Ozark Bridge! Let's keep it on topic.
Rundown of the settlement:
Original assessment to Ozark Hills was $266,286.32 or 80% of the NID.

City's portion of the Ozark Bridge Project only as it pertains to the Ozark Hills Park Properties;
Agreed to absorb $131,000 remaining of the assessment
$ 9,609 awarded by condemnation commissioners
$160,000 paid for portion of land north of the new bridge
$ unspecified miscellaneous waived excess sewer and grass fees
$300,609
$ 30,000 awarded and paid by MIRMA
$330,609
All of this in addition to the hours billed by Sweeney! That is something that needs to be known, how many hours did he bill on this case?
On this project the city also purchased a piece of property that was in the flood plain from another resident at around $5000 and absorbed that(9832.45) portion of the assessment and paid close to $20,000 for paving the private road owned by the three families at the end. Let's not forget the $30,000+ that was thrown away with the original bridge plans!
The award of $30,000 was another payout by MIRMA in the last year.
A resident of Ozark Dr. complained that it was not fair to the rest of the residents who have assessments. He cannot even access his property from that side of the bridge. Agreed! Maybe all of the members of the NID will realize the whole thing was not "fair." Was it a plan to get some unsuspecting businessman from out of town to pay for the city's bridge to nowhere? The city wanted it per their transportation plan, but they surely didn't want to pay for it, nor did the city attorney's private clients! The plan backfired, as the city has ended up paying more than Ozark Hills Park Properties was assessed in the first place.

Letusnamenames

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#17 Jun 10, 2013
Back on Topic wrote:
This thread is about the settlement for the Ozark Bridge! Let's keep it on topic.
Rundown of the settlement:
Original assessment to Ozark Hills was $266,286.32 or 80% of the NID.

City's portion of the Ozark Bridge Project only as it pertains to the Ozark Hills Park Properties;
Agreed to absorb $131,000 remaining of the assessment
$ 9,609 awarded by condemnation commissioners
$160,000 paid for portion of land north of the new bridge
$ unspecified miscellaneous waived excess sewer and grass fees
$300,609
$ 30,000 awarded and paid by MIRMA
$330,609
All of this in addition to the hours billed by Sweeney! That is something that needs to be known, how many hours did he bill on this case?
On this project the city also purchased a piece of property that was in the flood plain from another resident at around $5000 and absorbed that(9832.45) portion of the assessment and paid close to $20,000 for paving the private road owned by the three families at the end. Let's not forget the $30,000+ that was thrown away with the original bridge plans!
The award of $30,000 was another payout by MIRMA in the last year.
A resident of Ozark Dr. complained that it was not fair to the rest of the residents who have assessments. He cannot even access his property from that side of the bridge. Agreed! Maybe all of the members of the NID will realize the whole thing was not "fair." Was it a plan to get some unsuspecting businessman from out of town to pay for the city's bridge to nowhere? The city wanted it per their transportation plan, but they surely didn't want to pay for it, nor did the city attorney's private clients! The plan backfired, as the city has ended up paying more than Ozark Hills Park Properties was assessed in the first place.
The resident should have worked with the city instead of someone that likes to give the perception they have power that the don't (perceived power).

The amount paid by MIRMA looks to cover the plans that were trashed. And that didn't come from taxpayers, but the city insurance policy. The premiums might slightly go up, but not by that much.

Twisting the facts yet again. Don't you get it? NOBODY CARES!
Response

Arnold, MO

#18 Jun 10, 2013
The $30,000 paid by MIRMA was paid to Ozark Hills Park Properties, not the city! The city paid for TWO sets of engineering plans for the bridge. MIRMA is not an insurance company! It is a risk management pool that is funded by the City of Arnold and three hundred or so other cities in Missouri. Do you think those other cities want to foot the bill for the foolishness displayed by the City of Arnold and it's Mayor, City Administrator and city attorney? Going around suggesting claims be made against them? Making statements in the paper admitting guilt when there is none? I am not twisting facts, your head is spinning on your shoulders like Regan Ravioli in Exorcist! People do care, you just don't want them to.

Letusnamenames

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#19 Jun 10, 2013
Response wrote:
The $30,000 paid by MIRMA was paid to Ozark Hills Park Properties, not the city! The city paid for TWO sets of engineering plans for the bridge. MIRMA is not an insurance company! It is a risk management pool that is funded by the City of Arnold and three hundred or so other cities in Missouri. Do you think those other cities want to foot the bill for the foolishness displayed by the City of Arnold and it's Mayor, City Administrator and city attorney? Going around suggesting claims be made against them? Making statements in the paper admitting guilt when there is none? I am not twisting facts, your head is spinning on your shoulders like Regan Ravioli in Exorcist! People do care, you just don't want them to.
You just proved your looney. I never said it was paid to the city. I said the city didn't pay it, MIRMA did. You just keep talking. People aren't responding because they could care less. Too bad you've convinced yourself they do. Do I need to point out the last Mayoral election results to prove they don't care again? 2/3 vote shows they don't care. Keep jumping up and down. Must be hard to the votes out of the spotlight.
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Arnold, MO

#20 Jun 10, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
<quoted text>
The amount paid by MIRMA looks to cover the plans that were trashed.
The amount paid by MIRMA was paid to Ozark Hills Park Properties, not the City of Arnold so it by no means paid to cover the plans that were thrown out.

Letusnamenames

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#22 Jun 10, 2013
remember when wrote:
<quoted text>You could care less about Doris?? Bwwahaha oh my belly hurts from laughing.

Does 2/3 of the city know who forged those signatures, or do they also turn a blind eye to corruption like you?
Who forged those papers??
Quit asking like you don't know and just post the answer to your own question under a different alias like you usually do.

Letusnamenames

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#24 Jun 10, 2013
remember when wrote:
<quoted text>Oh are you stumped miss know it all ?
Who forged it and do you consider forgery corruption?
I'm not stumped. I know you have the answer and that you will post it under a different alias to get the information out there. Everyone sees your pattern. Keep harping on this. You're only making a fool of yourself sounding like a broken record. You do know what records are, right?

Letusnamenames

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#26 Jun 10, 2013
It depends on who did it. If Winklers did it then no. If the Mayor himself did it, then yes. If Sweeney himself did it then yes. But then only the person who actually did it should resign. So if Sweeney did it only he should resign, not the Mayor. Get it? Not everything is corruption. Is it illegal no matter who did it? Yes, but the person who actually did it should be held accountable and brought up on charges.

Now, answer my personal property tax question. I answered yours.

Letusnamenames

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#28 Jun 11, 2013
remember when wrote:
Depends ?? That's like being kinda pregnant isn't it?
The person that faked the signature was deceiving someone. Big bucks and a big bridge. Corruption in my book. Hmmm why do you think peewee was hiding it then?
Why is it ok for winklers to forge signatures on legal documents to deceive?
You accuse the government of being corrupt. The government would not have had any control if Winklers forged the signature making the government innocent in that regard.

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