Carnegie is still a good town!

Carnegie is still a good town!

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The Real Adrian

Fort Cobb, OK

#1 May 19, 2009
I don't care what any of the haters say. Carnegie is still the best town in the county! We may be smaller than some, but we still have a good place to raise your children.
secret

Fort Cobb, OK

#2 May 20, 2009
Adrian calm down and come to school
talon

Fort Cobb, OK

#3 May 21, 2009
u need come school
the secret

Fort Cobb, OK

#4 May 21, 2009
carnegie is not the best town in the county cuz people like to jump you in carnegie they dont know how to fight one-on-one and they have nowhere to sit down and relax and eat some decent food like bbq.......CARNEGIE IS WHACK
Fort Cobb

Oklahoma City, OK

#5 May 24, 2009
OK! listen everybody it does not matter which town you live in there will be trouble,lol. But Carnegie is a nice place. I do have friends that live there, and MT.View. Yes, I do live in Ft.Cobb,so what.
meme

Carnegie, OK

#6 May 25, 2009
fort cobbs a decient place but god there is some insane people in carnegie
Wildcat

Ranger, TX

#7 Jun 1, 2009
The only good thing about Carnegie now is the cheap movie theatre and the Show Dogs, LOL
dee

United States

#8 Jun 1, 2009
I grew up in carnegie and it was the best town to grow up in,that was 35 years ago. I go back every year because I have lots of family and history there. It has changed but so have we, I live in Illinois now and it may be prettier as far as scenery but I have never felt more at home than Carnegie. The people in Carnegie or just in Oklahoma are by far the friendliest people that you will ever meet. The problem with the small towns now are the drugs and the drinking that they do because there is nothing else to do and that happens everywhere. I just hope that the parents do all they can to keep their kids involved in their life and keep them busy with positive activities. It's not the bad people that make a community its the ones that are involved.
Adrian

Carnegie, OK

#9 Jun 6, 2009
Yeah. Your right. There really isn't anything to do in a small town. And that's why people start doing drugs and drinking early in their lives.
dee wrote:
I grew up in carnegie and it was the best town to grow up in,that was 35 years ago. I go back every year because I have lots of family and history there. It has changed but so have we, I live in Illinois now and it may be prettier as far as scenery but I have never felt more at home than Carnegie. The people in Carnegie or just in Oklahoma are by far the friendliest people that you will ever meet. The problem with the small towns now are the drugs and the drinking that they do because there is nothing else to do and that happens everywhere. I just hope that the parents do all they can to keep their kids involved in their life and keep them busy with positive activities. It's not the bad people that make a community its the ones that are involved.
in the city of tulsa

Tulsa, OK

#10 Jun 22, 2009
i dont know. carnegie is ok, but there are better places for your family. i know the place well and all the girls get pregnant at 16, the boys are all fighting and drinking, the winos are on main street and texico bothering people, and the park and spill over in the park is used by people doing drugs and drinking. most of the people i know from c-town cannot get away because there is no work and they are 30 yr old alchoholics and are constantl in jail. the forth of july dance is the only good part besides the movue theater, but the 49 is dangerous.
ezra

Coalgate, OK

#11 Nov 1, 2009
in the city of tulsa wrote:
i dont know. carnegie is ok, but there are better places for your family. i know the place well and all the girls get pregnant at 16, the boys are all fighting and drinking, the winos are on main street and texico bothering people, and the park and spill over in the park is used by people doing drugs and drinking. most of the people i know from c-town cannot get away because there is no work and they are 30 yr old alchoholics and are constantl in jail. the forth of july dance is the only good part besides the movue theater, but the 49 is dangerous.
Carnegie is the absolute worst place in Okla. God gave the world an ennema, and it is Carnegie.
Small town America

United States

#12 Apr 4, 2010
It is a matter of opinion. To me, the whole state is a ghetto and there are bad people everywhere. Oklahoma holds some really good people with no nonsense approaches to life. There are places you go where they may smile, but the welcome wears off.

You can find winos and 16 year old pregnant girls everywhere. It is not race based. Its a generation thing. Most elders back in the day got pregnant before sixteen and had more than 5 or 6 kids. It does not make it immoral or necessarily a bad thing.

Carnegie socially is still ran by the old white patriarchal system derived from the agricultural societies of old, and this is not necessarily bad either. Some of the old values can be preserved and maintained as a good thing except when it comes to race and the history of Carnegie's law enforcement in dealing with Indian people.

Economically and socially, Carnegie maintains a polarization of whites against Indian mentality, but it has slightly improved over the years with the dying off of elderly racist whites and believe it or not, racist Indians against their own, reared in the Christian conservative white value system.

Like many tribes and Indian communities across the US, Natives seem to be their own enemy. This I believe is due to the generational gap between older "baby boom" natives versus the younger "generation x" adults.

The main revenue generated in Carnegie is from its Indian population. Without the Kiowa Nation and local tribes throughout SW Oklahoma, there would be no Carnegie. Agriculture dwindles year after year, tourism is due mostly to the Kiowa and its annual ceremonial dances.

People should not stereotype any race. Indian people are just as susceptable to racism as any other, yet natives are still systematically at grass roots and higher echelon levels excluded in the media, employment, health care, education, economic development, judical processes and politics, and on community levels with the recent onslaught of tribal gaming, non-Natives decry the absurd and ridiculous mantra of "privilege" towards Indians when over 200 years should have been enough to sustain white prosperity and culture, but collectively, whites have failed themselves and want their cake and eat it too.

As an overseas veteran, patriotism and sacrifice should not lie with our young dying overseas, it should be with our shared sacrifice in dealing with our differences.

The current conservative Tea Party movement, basically a race based movement, shows how a people can be vile and racists when historically, it was minorities that were violently attacked and had their "constitutional rights" violated, yet, it seemed "okay".

Keep your kids in smalltown America. Look what the cities do to the young and see that parenting is very hard in the citys.

Violence in America is not geographical since its an American institution (the defense industry) and a tradition (domestic violence and gangs).

If I had the money and land, I would live outside of Carnegie or Mountain View.
Just Me

Carnegie, OK

#13 Apr 5, 2010
The above person was right one thing the Kiowa's do bring money to the town. They pay for the Police and EMT's because these are the ones who on a regular basis are pick up after their 49's.

Oh and lets no forget that they also have a Native American Club,that only Indians can join. However if there was a Caucasian Club that would just be wrong and not allowed. Or if it were allowed we would have to include everyone.

And I also would like to add that I have some Native American blood in me. So this is not from some racist white person.

I'm not saying that Carnegie is perfect because its not by a long shot. If you want the truth Carnegie is ran by the Kiowas. And they can't even run their own tribe. So maybe they should forget about all their 49's and racial suggestions and try to run their own tribe.
Small Town America

United States

#14 Apr 5, 2010
Actually you are wrong here. The City of Carnegie is ran by whites in regards to municipal and zoning laws. It is "against the law" across the US for any "Tribal court or government to impose laws on non-Indians", so you lose that argument. If Indians did have say in Carnegie, there would be alot more changes into the new century such as economic development and an improvement with race relations that should start at the top on BOTH sides, meaning our leadership(s).
Tribal governments, like any other governments, take time to evolve into functioning and viable operations. You should know it did not take, and is not taking, the US government to fully operate functional and without corruption or incompetence. Tribal governments are no different. Where whites see corruption and incompetence in tribal affairs, they should look at the examples tribes have adopted from the so-called democratic/republican processes of the largely non-Native federal government.
Just this week, the Republican National Committee spent thousands of dollars on luxurious entertainment and alcohol, this is why their whining about liberals and President Obama's "social" spending has lost credibility. You cannot point fingers and not clean up your own house or look in your own back yard.
There are caucasian clubs, they are called the Carnegie City Council and the Carnegie Chamber of Commerce.
I went to school in Mountain View and I had white and Latino classmates that did join the Indian Club. Perhaps whites are not reaching out enough to join, after all, think of all the clubs minorities and women were and are excluded from throughout American history!
Indian clubs are the only identifiable and “legal” gatherings where young Indians can congregate without police harassment. How does this compare to the “whites only” clubs that park on the main streets across Oklahoma and the US where young whites drink, do drugs and have no inhibitions or limits to behavior all in clear view and knowledge of local law enforcement? There are actual cases where young natives have been racially profiled by police and stopped without drugs and alcohol, beaten, raped and worse, with no judicial while charged excessively for no reason other than joy riding. Yes, there are bad seeds everywhere, but your argument does not shed any justice to this continued behavior from communities and authorities natives pay taxes into.
Natives, in general, pay more taxes than non-Indians. Alongside of local, property, sales, grocery, county, state and federal taxation, natives also pay into tribal taxes for tags and other operations tribes function on. The statement you make about the Kiowas paying the police and EMT is simply wrong! Services provided by the Carnegie is a collective tax paid by EVERY person that spends in Carnegie along with subsidized federal and state funds. Many EMT services can be taxed, however, they also could be privatized and billed to the individual person or insurance company(s).
What do you have against 49’s? You must’ve gotten beat up out there. Maybe you snagged someone you shouldn’t have; had your woman stolen from you or have a big mouth when you’re drunk. Stay away from them if you don’t like them. Besides, 49’s aren’t like they used to be and are more infrequent than they used to be, thanks to county laws.
You should understand that many Kiowa also have other tribes and races in their blood. There are very few full blooded Kiowa left. What the Kiowa maintain is thousands of years of a language and culture that is rich and historical, preceding both Carnegie's township and the US in general.
You say you are not racist, but racism is in the Oklahoman DNA. The worst kind of racist is the “unconscious racist” that doesn’t even know they are racist, but tend to blend with the status quo of the populous majority and its trend(s).
You also have the grammatical prowess of a five year old, well, take that back, some five year olds write better!
Bubba

Carnegie, OK

#15 Apr 5, 2010
I do agree with part of your logic. But, I feel it necessary to point out that CARNEGIE has never been a city. It is a town, ran by a town Board of Trustees, which is not limited to white people. Any race can enter it. But this isn't about race. There are just as many lazy ass Indian people in this town, as there are white trash, which all these sorry ass people want to do is stay at home, drink till they are stupid, and get into trouble. All the while, milking the government checks, making it hard for the good people,(OF BOTH RACES) to get any help. The only thing I feel that you are not understanding is the entire time, you are taking up for ALL Native Americans, what you don't see is that on any given day, as you look down either end of Main Street, you will find at least 3-4 Drunk Indian's hanging around. Just waiting to get into something. I have lived here all of my life, and feel that you are one of these “unconscious racist” to which you speak of. Yea, in a town this size, with the Indian population what it is, obviously, there will be more tickets issued to Indian people. Simple statistics there. But I wouldn't be making accusations that anyone is a racist, until you take a good long look in the mirror. And I am sure I will be reading some kind of smart ass reply tomorrow stating how very wrong I am, and how you are more intelligent that I am. OK. Sure....we will go with that. You may have been raised here, but until you live here for numerous years, in today's society, shut the hell up. Because, in KIOWA talk, "You Hanggy daw bops." See. I am educated.Had and still have many Indian friend. Take care. May god Bless you. And I hope you wake up in the morning with both eyes open to the world. THIS ISN'T THE 60's.
Bubba

Carnegie, OK

#16 Apr 5, 2010
Oh. and FYI. If you are going to talk about this community like you live here, you might want to take a look at the Chamber of Commerce. Not what I would call a Caucasian club. There have been, and may still be members from numerous tribes, INCLUDING KIOWA! So there is one more accusation that with very little investigating, can be dismissed.
ReplyFor Bubbas Bubble

United States

#17 Apr 10, 2010
It is not by accident that you live in Weatherford, but claim to "have lived in Carnegie your "whole Life" Bubba! Because you can say, Hangya dau" does not make you educated either! I have been raised in Carnegie for more than a "few" years myself. If you have read my other posts regarding race relations, you will note I mention "both races" must change along with our leadership in my prior posts.
Since you feel committed to defend the hierarchy of Carnegie's history and "fairness" towards its treatment of natives, perhaps you can shine some light on why your superb DA in Darko, Brett Butt runs his county like a scene right out of "Birth of a Nation"?
Where you seem content and proud of your towns history, I see room for improvement. Positive improvement. Lazinees and alcoholism is not soley a native issue in Carnegie, and those 3 or 4 guys you see on the corner are no different than those 12 or 16 teenage white kids cruising main with a beer between their steering wheels, where do you think "winos" come from and how do you think they got started "BUBBA"?
You miss the bigger picture and do think like an Okie Bubba, and you do contradict yourself with "there have been and may still be members from numberous tribes", GIVE US A BREAK 'OL BOY! You are biting off more than you can chew, and I am not talking orally!
First of all Bubba, if thats your real name, Carnegie was not the towns original name. Do you know what it was? Let me throw some facts and stats at you since you are "educated".
Carnegie was originally named "Lathram" until 1903. Town leaders decided to change the name after the famous philantropist "Andrew Carnegie" in the hopes the man would build a library there, needless to say, he never did, but the Board of Trustees did and appointed the Carnegie Library Board. There is a 5 member Board of Trustees with 4 year terms; a town clerk and treasurer.
Carnegie is roughly 65% white, 24% Indian, 12% Mexican or Latino, 8% of "other races" and 1.5% African American.
Carnegie operates the OLDEST CONTINUALLY OPERATED THEATER IN OKLAHOMA! Did you know that BUBBA?
Bubba

Carnegie, OK

#18 Apr 10, 2010
ReplyFor Bubbas Bubble wrote:
It is not by accident that you live in Weatherford, but claim to "have lived in Carnegie your "whole Life" Bubba! Because you can say, Hangya dau" does not make you educated either! I have been raised in Carnegie for more than a "few" years myself. If you have read my other posts regarding race relations, you will note I mention "both races" must change along with our leadership in my prior posts.
Since you feel committed to defend the hierarchy of Carnegie's history and "fairness" towards its treatment of natives, perhaps you can shine some light on why your superb DA in Darko, Brett Butt runs his county like a scene right out of "Birth of a Nation"?
Where you seem content and proud of your towns history, I see room for improvement. Positive improvement. Lazinees and alcoholism is not soley a native issue in Carnegie, and those 3 or 4 guys you see on the corner are no different than those 12 or 16 teenage white kids cruising main with a beer between their steering wheels, where do you think "winos" come from and how do you think they got started "BUBBA"?
You miss the bigger picture and do think like an Okie Bubba, and you do contradict yourself with "there have been and may still be members from numberous tribes", GIVE US A BREAK 'OL BOY! You are biting off more than you can chew, and I am not talking orally!
First of all Bubba, if thats your real name, Carnegie was not the towns original name. Do you know what it was? Let me throw some facts and stats at you since you are "educated".
Carnegie was originally named "Lathram" until 1903. Town leaders decided to change the name after the famous philantropist "Andrew Carnegie" in the hopes the man would build a library there, needless to say, he never did, but the Board of Trustees did and appointed the Carnegie Library Board. There is a 5 member Board of Trustees with 4 year terms; a town clerk and treasurer.
Carnegie is roughly 65% white, 24% Indian, 12% Mexican or Latino, 8% of "other races" and 1.5% African American.
Carnegie operates the OLDEST CONTINUALLY OPERATED THEATER IN OKLAHOMA! Did you know that BUBBA?
Yes. You idiot. I can go to Wikipedia and copy and paste it to this site as well. My best friend wrote that page. I do know the history. My best friend is Vice Mayor, as well as my family is an elected official. So bite me. As for the theater, I live on South Carnegie Avenue, roughly 4 blocks from Main street. Have no idea why is says I am from W-for. Don't really give a damn. Go blow your smoke up someone else's ass.
Bubba

Carnegie, OK

#19 Apr 10, 2010
ReplyFor Bubbas Bubble wrote:
It is not by accident that you live in Weatherford, but claim to "have lived in Carnegie your "whole Life" Bubba! Because you can say, Hangya dau" does not make you educated either! I have been raised in Carnegie for more than a "few" years myself. If you have read my other posts regarding race relations, you will note I mention "both races" must change along with our leadership in my prior posts.
Since you feel committed to defend the hierarchy of Carnegie's history and "fairness" towards its treatment of natives, perhaps you can shine some light on why your superb DA in Darko, Brett Butt runs his county like a scene right out of "Birth of a Nation"?
Where you seem content and proud of your towns history, I see room for improvement. Positive improvement. Lazinees and alcoholism is not soley a native issue in Carnegie, and those 3 or 4 guys you see on the corner are no different than those 12 or 16 teenage white kids cruising main with a beer between their steering wheels, where do you think "winos" come from and how do you think they got started "BUBBA"?
You miss the bigger picture and do think like an Okie Bubba, and you do contradict yourself with "there have been and may still be members from numberous tribes", GIVE US A BREAK 'OL BOY! You are biting off more than you can chew, and I am not talking orally!
First of all Bubba, if thats your real name, Carnegie was not the towns original name. Do you know what it was? Let me throw some facts and stats at you since you are "educated".
Carnegie was originally named "Lathram" until 1903. Town leaders decided to change the name after the famous philantropist "Andrew Carnegie" in the hopes the man would build a library there, needless to say, he never did, but the Board of Trustees did and appointed the Carnegie Library Board. There is a 5 member Board of Trustees with 4 year terms; a town clerk and treasurer.
Carnegie is roughly 65% white, 24% Indian, 12% Mexican or Latino, 8% of "other races" and 1.5% African American.
Carnegie operates the OLDEST CONTINUALLY OPERATED THEATER IN OKLAHOMA! Did you know that BUBBA?
And Just a note! I agree with you on the whole, "Brett Burns" issue. Look as MY other posts and you will see that.
TO BUBBLES

United States

#20 Apr 11, 2010
Well Bubbles, it just seems you think we are the only ones reading this post. Where I offer constructive information, you seem to be sitting in your rocker cursing the world. You prove to me that Carnegie is ran by your kin and your like. No wonder you are happy with business as usual.

And no, I do not smoke, but it sounds like you smoke meth or something, a real angry man. If you do not claim Weatherford is where you live and it is a misprint, then it is easier for the rest of us to not believe anything you say, RIGHT?

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