Church offers aid to accused molester

There are 1207 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Mar 28, 2007, titled Church offers aid to accused molester. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

A Carmel church wants its members to show love and forgiveness to a former elder accused of molesting a 3-year-old girl, causing the child's family and others to leave the congregation.

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Mostly Reformed

Westfield, IN

#1250 Nov 6, 2007
There are a number of us (ex-CPCers) who are following this thread and hoping to hear the outcome of the TVG trial. We will never understand the manner in which VG's sin was handled nor the verbal tapdancing that took place over the following weeks.
Accept Chrsit

Indianapolis, IN

#1251 Nov 6, 2007
Pray to Receive Jesus Christ into your life.
At this moment you can pray the most important prayer of your life by simply saying:
Dear Lord Jesus,
I believe You are the Son of God. I believe You came to earth 2,000 years ago. I believe you died for me on the cross and shed Your blood for my salvation. I believe you rose from the dead and ascended on high. I believe You are coming back again to earth. Dear Jesus, I am a sinner. Forgive my sin. Cleanse me now with Your precious blood. Come into my heart. Save my soul right now. I give you my life. I receive You now as my Savior, my Lord, and my God. I am Yours forever, and I will serve You and follow You the rest of my days. From this moment on, I belong to You only. I no longer belong to this world, nor to the enemy of my soul. I belong to You, and I am born again.
Amen!
By praying this prayer, confessing your sins, and receiving Jesus Christ into your heart, God has given you the right to become His forgiven child. The Bible gives you this assurance:
"But as many as received him, to them he gave the power to become the sons of God, even to them who believe on his name" (John 1:12).
a sinner

Indianapolis, IN

#1252 Nov 8, 2007
I think you mean "Accept Christ."

And for those who do not believe in Christ or God, this act of terry vangorp reinforces their reasons not to. It is sad that a fake, a wolf in sheeps clothing like he and his wife can cause people to question their faith and for non-believers to continue not believing. The Bible also says that everyone who says "Lord, Lord will not enter the kingdom of Heaven." Just by saying you believe does not make it true. Look at vangorp. There are many deceivers in this world, where do most of them go? Church, of course. The non-believers do not need to be persuaded not to believe. The devil goes to church. Thats where his best work is done. And money is one of his best tools.
We all need to search our hearts and pray.
Brood of Vipers

Saint Cloud, MN

#1253 Nov 9, 2007
Rich Vincent used to be a teacher at CPC. At some point he critiqued a book by Barbara Kellerman. I think it sums up CPC pretty well.

"Of course, leaders – whether good or bad – cannot exist without followers. Kellerman rightly places some responsibility on the followers that empower and enable bad leaders. She asks,“Why do we follow bad leadership who behave badly?” The answer: bad followers. This answer begs a follow-up question:“Why do bad followers exist?” Her answer: Bad followers exist because “[e]ven bad leaders often satisfy our most basic human needs, in particular, safety, simplicity, and certainty”(22). She continues:“Groups go along with bad leaders because even bad leaders often provide important benefits. In particular, leaders maintain order, provide cohesion and identity, and do the collective work”(23-24).

Because bad followers enable bad leaders,“[l]eaders should be looked at only in tandem with their followers”(226). The phenomenon of bad leadership arises from the combination of both bad leaders and bad followers.“Without followers nothing happens, including bad leadership. Together, leaders and followers can bring out the best in people… or they can amplify what’s worst in people”(226). Thus,“[l]eaders and followers share responsibility for leadership, bad as well as good”(226)."
wyoming

Decatur, TX

#1254 Nov 9, 2007
Forgive him, then hang him.
a Friend

United States

#1255 Nov 10, 2007
I am shocked to learn that Mr Vangorp has absolutely refused to negotiate a lesser sentence, but has instead demanded on making his daughter and only grand child testify against him next week. This is after he has confessed to at least a dozen people. What kind of monster does this to his own child and grandchild? What kind of evil woman not only stays with this man, but is supporting his every step, including making this little child testify. I believe in God and that there is a devil. The Bible says "by their fruits you shall know them." Which is to say, not by their words, but by their actions you can tell what kind of person they are and who is their god. In this case, it is clear that they follow satan. I dare someone to prove me wrong.
As for that church who is STILL paying her salary, there is something to be said about its actions too. What fellowship has light with darkness? Well, just look at College Park and the Vangorps. We know that they are in darkness, and it seems that the church is not far off either. I have to agree with "brood of vipers" on that. There must be some incredibly ignorant followers to enable the inept leadership at that church.
Brood of Vipers

Minneapolis, MN

#1256 Nov 10, 2007
a Friend wrote:
I am shocked to learn that Mr Vangorp has absolutely refused to negotiate a lesser sentence, but has instead demanded on making his daughter and only grand child testify against him next week. This is after he has confessed to at least a dozen people. What kind of monster does this to his own child and grandchild? What kind of evil woman not only stays with this man, but is supporting his every step, including making this little child testify. I believe in God and that there is a devil. The Bible says "by their fruits you shall know them." Which is to say, not by their words, but by their actions you can tell what kind of person they are and who is their god. In this case, it is clear that they follow satan. I dare someone to prove me wrong.
As for that church who is STILL paying her salary, there is something to be said about its actions too. What fellowship has light with darkness? Well, just look at College Park and the Vangorps. We know that they are in darkness, and it seems that the church is not far off either. I have to agree with "brood of vipers" on that. There must be some incredibly ignorant followers to enable the inept leadership at that church.
I find no joy, nor glee, in any of this. What I want is for the Truth to finally come out. I want ALL of the leaders of CPC to be shown for who they are. I want justice for the VanGorp's daughter, her husband, and her child. I was a friend of their daughter's. She was over at my house in Indianapolis. She always seemed reserved, and that is understandable due to her having to live with the likes of Terry and Barbara. I feel sorry for her and her family (not her parents). I chose the handle "Brood of Vipers" to mock the Elders of College Park because that is what Jesus called the Pharisees and IMHO, is what He would say to these illegitimate, so called, "leaders." Lord willing, this trial will bring justice to our community for the crimes of the VanGorps and bring to light the sins of the leaders of CPC. The church can surely survive; however, without a cleaning house of the current leadership, it should be shut down.
Curious 2

Ingalls, IN

#1257 Nov 13, 2007
Did the trial begin today as scheduled? Did anyone who post on here attend... Hoping we get updates
a relative

United States

#1258 Nov 13, 2007
Terry Vangorp decided to take a plea agreement. He will receive 15 years. He admitted to the child molestation to the judge on record. In my opinion, the only reason he took a plea is because he knew he would get a whole lot more by going to trial. The family is releaved that for the most part, this is over. Me personally, I am interested in seeing what College Park does to Barbara. Will she get her job back? Why does that matter? She's getting a pay check.
But I'm glad that for the victim's sake the closure can begin. It has been an incredibly painfull experience for them. And to make one more point. Mr Pabody of College Park NEVER tried to help "both victim and victimizer." He is as much as a snake as any of the others. But it sounds good to the congregation to say things like that, especially when no one really checks to see if its true. After seeing how the church has handled this, I lost any respect I may have tried to hold on to for them. Now we are waiting on all the people to come out of the woodwork to say they supported the victim this whole time. They always do. To all of you fence riders, do the victim's family a favor, and leave them alone.
It's too late to ask them if they "need anything" now. Where were you for the last year and a half?
The show is over. You can all go back to listen to Mr Pabodies excuses.
Member

United States

#1259 Nov 13, 2007
a relative wrote:
Terry Vangorp decided to take a plea agreement. He will receive 15 years. He admitted to the child molestation to the judge on record. In my opinion, the only reason he took a plea is because he knew he would get a whole lot more by going to trial. The family is releaved that for the most part, this is over. Me personally, I am interested in seeing what College Park does to Barbara. Will she get her job back? Why does that matter? She's getting a pay check.
But I'm glad that for the victim's sake the closure can begin. It has been an incredibly painfull experience for them. And to make one more point. Mr Pabody of College Park NEVER tried to help "both victim and victimizer." He is as much as a snake as any of the others. But it sounds good to the congregation to say things like that, especially when no one really checks to see if its true. After seeing how the church has handled this, I lost any respect I may have tried to hold on to for them. Now we are waiting on all the people to come out of the woodwork to say they supported the victim this whole time. They always do. To all of you fence riders, do the victim's family a favor, and leave them alone.
It's too late to ask them if they "need anything" now. Where were you for the last year and a half?
The show is over. You can all go back to listen to Mr Pabodies excuses.
Thank you for sharing ... and thank God he confessed. I pray that your family now has the peace they deserve. I have been very upset how the Church handled this ... and am looking for a new church. The church should have been a support for your family. Bless you all!
Curious 2

Ingalls, IN

#1260 Nov 13, 2007
Yes thanks for the information... Just wish he would have done this earlier on... I am to wondering how they will handle his wife.
Brood of Vipers

Saint Cloud, MN

#1261 Nov 14, 2007
This is in today's IndyStar, and the comments are beginning on today's story here:

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/indianapoli...
Want Healing

Indianapolis, IN

#1262 Nov 14, 2007
I feel sad today.......and glad at the same time. I was so hoping that this was a mistake - that he was not guilty. It is not only a tragic shame of what he has done to his own children and grandchild but also that he has lied to us all.......lied to us all for many, many years and put up a SUCH A SUPERIOR SPIRITUAL front that has spiritually damaged soooooo many people now. Me included..... I know Barb VanGorp very well and how absolutely controlling she is with her family and I feel certain that THERE IS NO WAY THAT SHE COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING WHILE HE WAS DOING WHAT HE WAS DOING.......IF I COULD SCREAM THIS I WOULD.......AND IF COLLEGE PARK EVEN ALLOWS HER BACK TO WORK AND DOES NOT DROP HER FROM THE PAYROLL LIKE A ROCK - then the church should feel so ashamed........after my family has gone to that church for so many years and if the elders now don't come forth and take some responsibility in the mistakes that were made, then College Park has defamed the name of Jesus Christ in my view. I am ashamed I ever went there....and will make no mention of ever going there when asked.....as I am embarrassed.....such a sad sad day......
Kenneth

Indianapolis, IN

#1263 Nov 14, 2007
Brood of Vipers wrote:
Rich Vincent used to be a teacher at CPC. At some point he critiqued a book by Barbara Kellerman. I think it sums up CPC pretty well.
"Of course, leaders – whether good or bad – cannot exist without followers. Kellerman rightly places some responsibility on the followers that empower and enable bad leaders. She asks,“Why do we follow bad leadership who behave badly?” The answer: bad followers. This answer begs a follow-up question:“Why do bad followers exist?” Her answer: Bad followers exist because “[e]ven bad leaders often satisfy our most basic human needs, in particular, safety, simplicity, and certainty”(22). She continues:“Groups go along with bad leaders because even bad leaders often provide important benefits. In particular, leaders maintain order, provide cohesion and identity, and do the collective work”(23-24).
Because bad followers enable bad leaders,“[l]eaders should be looked at only in tandem with their followers”(226). The phenomenon of bad leadership arises from the combination of both bad leaders and bad followers.“Without followers nothing happens, including bad leadership. Together, leaders and followers can bring out the best in people… or they can amplify what’s worst in people”(226). Thus,“[l]eaders and followers share responsibility for leadership, bad as well as good”(226)."
Good quote. Perhaps you should, however, critique United Church of Christ pastor Rich Vincent while you're at it. UCC--can you believe it?
BHF

Temperance, MI

#1264 Mar 7, 2008
We had a situation in our church with a pastor, the rest of the board wanted to give his wife money to help her and the kids out, all this did was enable him to live comfortable, when two people get married its for better or worse if the husband goes down the wife goes down with him, in the church today (and judicial system) there needs to be cosquences for our actions.
France

Indianapolis, IN

#1265 Mar 7, 2008
Whooppee wrote:
Boy, I can see from the postings that there are a bunch of people who need to get to a good church to understand why these folks are reacting to the incident the way they are.
First, it appears the incident happened outside of the church, so you can drop the Catholic comparisons...
Second, it's easy to love and forgive people who do no (obvious) wrong, but it's a true test of faith if you try to also minister to someone who commits this despicable of a crime. Remember Jesus telling the angry mob to let the person without sin cast the first stone?
If you want to be a good Christian, part of the role is to act upon others based on love, not anger. If your brother committed this act, you would be hurt and angry, but he is still your brother.
Whether you agree with the concept or not, these folks appear to be trying to be good Christians by looking out for the spiritual welfare of both the victim and the abuser. The courts will take care of the abuser in life, and God will handle the matter after that.
Oui Oui, Yes it is people like you who we need in America to change them into French Liberals. We love children here and don't see a problem with the church allowing us to love children. This man would be no problem for us.

It's a damn good thing people like Wooppee weren't around in American during any world war. We'd all be speaking German you cock bite.
Truth

Lakeland, FL

#1266 Aug 12, 2008
Only believers understand what God wants us to do. Those that serve the other master, be it knowing or not, know only hate and could never grasp the concept of grace. Sinners will never go unpunished.
Foolish

United States

#1270 Aug 12, 2008
Truth wrote:
Only believers understand what God wants us to do. Those that serve the other master, be it knowing or not, know only hate and could never grasp the concept of grace. Sinners will never go unpunished.
Oh please, how the hell do you know what God wants. I can't tell you how many idiotic churches I've heard of that split apart because the pastor prayed and got one answer from God and the elders or prayer groups got another answer (like whether or not to build on to the church, whether to welcome gays, etc, etc, etc). Don't these fools ever use their brains?

I'd like to know how many others this guy has molested. I GUARANTEE this 3 yr old is not the first. Manwhile he's spent a lifetime condemning and be-rating others according to his silly Baptist beliefs.
STL

Florissant, MO

#1271 Aug 17, 2009
I know the Van Gorps from prior to 1990. I thought he was headed for seminary training to be a pastor?? I agree with those who say this is absolutely not the first time this pervert has molested someone. I also believe his wife knew of his porn habits.

“Your Gods' Rules not mine.”

Since: Apr 07

Indianapolis

#1273 Aug 18, 2009
Any updates on this creep, his family or that monstrous church?

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