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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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former res

Broomall, PA

#37621 Jun 22, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Its one of those things that if you need it, you need it.
Is it really a need, or more of a nice-to-have?

;))
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#37622 Jun 22, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it really a need, or more of a nice-to-have?
;))
Note the similarity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tallit_katan#Tal...
former res

Broomall, PA

#37624 Jun 22, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
I do recall this when the magic underwear came up before.

What can I say?

If you can't beat em, join em?
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#37625 Jun 22, 2012
Debunking The Christ Myth?

Argument from, Glenn Kimball, against The Christ Conspiracy (which he hasn’t read),

Reply by D.M. Murdock, author of The Christ Conspiracy, Part- 1

Myth #1:

This thinking is a new fade [sic] whose time for debunking is at hand.

Reply # 1;

"This thinking," i.e, that Jesus Christ is a mythical character, is not at all a "new fad." It has been around since the very beginning, because the intelligentsia of the ancient world knew that what the early Church fathers were palming off was mummified mythology. As Rev. Robert Taylor says:

And from the apostolic age downwards, in a never interrupted succession, but never so strongly and emphatically as in the most primitive times, was the existence of Christ as a man most strenuously denied.

Indeed, the first and second epistles of John were written principally to combat such deniers of the historical Christ.(1 Jn. 4:2-3; 2 Jn. 7) The denial of "Christ come in the flesh" is an early "heresy" called "Docetism," whose proponents not only abounded during the first centuries of the Christian era but were the original "Christians," i.e., Gnostics.

Myth # 2:

We have letters written in the hand of Jesus. A myth doesn’t write letters.

Reply # 2:

As concerns the "letters from Jesus’s own hand," no scholar of any worth, Christian or otherwise, has ever considered these "letters" to be "genuine." Like most Christian writings and artifacts, these "letters" are forgeries.

The Catholic Encyclopedia truthfully asserts that the legendary event purported in the most infamous of these "letters," i.e., that to "King Abgar," is an "imaginary occurrence," and states concerning the spurious letter from Christ:

The text is borrowed in two places from that of the Gospel, which of itself is sufficient to disprove
the authenticity of the letter. Moreover, the quotations are made not from the Gospels proper, but from the famous concordance of Tatian, compiled in the second century, and known as the "Diatessaron," thus fixing the date of the legend as approximately the middle of the third century.

The Catholic Encyclopedia also says of this "letter":

Its legendary environment and the fact that the Church at large did not hand down the pretended epistle from Our Lord as a sacred document is conclusive against it.

As Wells says in The Historical Evidence for Jesus:

About 1200, Constantinople was so crammed with relics that one may speak of a veritable industry with its own factories. Blinzler (a Catholic New Testament scholar) lists, as examples, letters in Jesus’ own hand, the gold brought to the baby Jesus by the wise men, the twelve baskets of bread collected after the miraculous feeding of the 5000, the throne of David, the trumpets of Jericho, the axe with which Noah made the Ark, and so on ...

And Wheless says in Forgery in Christianity:

[T]hat "very dishonest writer," Bishop Eusebius, in the fourth century...forged the Letters between Abgar and Jesus, falsely declaring that he had found the original documents in the official archives, whence he had copied and translated them into his Ecclesiastical History... If the Gospel tales were true, why should God need pious lies to give them credit?

Lies and forgeries are only needed to bolster up falsehood: "Nothing stands in need of lying but a lie." But Jesus Christ must needs be propagated by lies upon lies; and what better proof of his actuality than to exhibit letters written by him in his own handwriting?

The "Little Liars of the Lord" were equal to the forgery of the signature of their God – false letters in his name, as above cited from that exhaustive mine of clerical falsities, the Catholic Encyclopedia.

No, a myth doesn’t write letters. Forgers do.

(Contd.)
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#37627 Jun 23, 2012
SeasideSoon wrote:
<quoted text>Futility = trying to prove a negative.
Sheilaa wrote-----It is not up to people who believe in Jesus to prove that he existed it is up to the skeptics to prove that he didn't.

@sea-----Futility = trying to prove a negative.

HughBe--- There seems to be no limit to deception.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#37628 Jun 23, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
No complaints here. It is 75 degrees outside and relatively pleasant.
(and Hughbe is not a homosexual)
Frijoles---and Hughbe is not a homosexual

HughBe--- Correct but you are. Some will say that there is no fundamental difference between a homosexual and a paedophile.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#37629 Jun 23, 2012
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
That "whooshing" noise? That was the point passing far, far over your head.
Yes, medical SCIENCE has discovered that, under certain specific circumstances, leeches can indeed be good medicine. However, a course of leeches STILL can't cure your head cold, nor will maggots cure anyone's esophageal cancer.
Do try to pay attention.
How many times will I have to repeat this before you get the point?
Liam---Yes, medical SCIENCE has discovered that, under certain specific circumstances, leeches can indeed be good medicine. However, a course of leeches STILL can't cure your head cold, nor will maggots cure anyone's esophageal cancer.

HughBe--- clearly it can't cure your hallucination as I made no connection between cancer, head cold and maggots.

Follow closely, YOUR Government thinks that leeches are medical DEVICES as well as some doctors who are well informed.

What is a MEDICAL device?

"Maggots and leeches are so effective that the FDA last year CLASSIFIED them as the first live MEDICAL DEVICES."

Finally, read the following until it is understood. The classification does not make leeches a cure-all BUT it exposes your "whooshing noise".

Which medicine cures everything?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#37630 Jun 23, 2012
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
Dream on...
HughBe---Technology will help in BIOLOGY as well and that shall greatly improve understanding which will lead to the discarding of your SCIENTIFIC THEORY on evolution.

Liam--- Dream on

HughBe--- Are you saying that Technology will not help in Biology and our understanding of it? How do you know that the increased knowledge and UNDERSTANDING from the use of technology will not lead to a discarding of your SCIENTIFIC THEORY called evolution.

What is theory?
JOEL PASTAKIA

Mumbai, India

#37631 Jun 23, 2012
The brainless, superstitious, fanatical and demon worshipping Jewish posters stay offline on the SHABBAT. LOL.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#37632 Jun 23, 2012
JOEL PASTAKIA wrote:
The brainless, superstitious, fanatical and demon worshipping Jewish posters stay offline on the SHABBAT. LOL.
rabbee: when TheShabbos has ended in Yeroosalem, then it has ended for the whole world. G-D does not cater, to your own personal loco time. no matter what your own, loco-motive may be.

and this is still world war against G-D, and not GanEden peace with HIM here in TheTorah aaagain.
JOEL PASTAKIA

Mumbai, India

#37633 Jun 23, 2012
Evil, possessed, eugenically abnormal, mentally unstable, brainless, demon worshipping Jewish fool.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#37634 Jun 23, 2012
JOEL PASTAKIA wrote:
Evil, possessed, eugenically abnormal, mentally unstable, brainless, demon worshipping Jewish fool.
rabbee: yes you, are!
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#37635 Jun 23, 2012
JOEL PASTAKIA wrote:
The brainless, superstitious, fanatical and demon worshipping Jewish posters stay offline on the SHABBAT. LOL.
Cool. You recognize shabbat even without us telling you to.

We can see that the thoughtforms are doing their jobs.
JOEL PASTAKIA

Mumbai, India

#37636 Jun 23, 2012
SPIRITUALISM:

Spiritualism as the name implies is all about directly communing and merging with the spirit - the consciousnesses of the supraphysical planes - and finally with the absolute consciousness, whereas, religion, too, has the same role if one goes by the etymology - religare - to bind - which means to unite the self to the super self through the yogic union in being.

However, over the ages, given the limitations of the various prophets and the unregenerate nature of the common herd, religion has degenerated into a set of mindless rituals, bigotry, sectarianism, the source of violence and mass superstitions with each religion having its own god which in many cases is simply a demon as we see in Judaism which is Satan worship in manifest form.

So, while religion is dead and is heading for extinction, spiritualism can only get stronger and with the coming supramental manifestation on earth, self-realization via the yogic union in consciousness of the awakened psychic with the cosmic self is set to become the common discipline of surviving humanity with far reaching consequences.
JOEL PASTAKIA

Mumbai, India

#37639 Jun 23, 2012
HIGHLIGHT:

While religion is dead and is heading for extinction, spiritualism can only get stronger and with the coming supramental manifestation on earth, self-realization via the yogic union in consciousness of the awakened psychic with the cosmic self is set to become the common discipline of surviving humanity with far reaching consequences.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#37644 Jun 23, 2012
Debunking The Christ Myth?

Argument from, Glenn Kimball, against The Christ Conspiracy (which he hasn’t read),

Reply by D.M. Murdock, author of The Christ Conspiracy, Part- 2

Myth # 3:

There was a recent discovery of a prescription written by Jesus. A myth doesn’t write prescriptions.

Reply # 3:

In the first place, considering the Holy Forgery Mill, I wouldn’t trust that this "document" even dated from the proper time and place. I haven’t seen it or any scholarship on it. Just Kimball’s word. In the second place, the names IES, IESIOS, IASIOS, JESUS, etc., were terms that mean "salvation" and represented the mystical, allegorical and non-historical spiritual head of salvation cults that proliferated from England to China.

The terms were used as secret spells by healers, or Therapeuts, who may have written a "prescription" with the word on it. Such claims as Kimball’s truly reveal the shoddy "scholarship" and "science" accepted by blind believers.

Myth # 4:

For those who really have read they know that Jesus is mentioned in the archives of Roman, Druid, Indian, Japanese and a dozen more cultures.

A myth doesn’t get mentioned as a personal visit to that many diverse cultures and people during His lifetime. We have financial records of the family. A myth didn’t have money.

Reply # 4:

These claims are completely untrue. There are NO contemporary records, Roman, Indian, Druid,
Japanese, or otherwise, of any character as depicted in the Gospel. There WERE plenty of people running around with the name of "Joshua" or "Jesus" or "Jason" or any variant thereof. None of their stories is what is recorded in the New Testament.

(See also the IES, etc., comment above: To wit, there were salvation cultists from England to China.) "Financial records" of his family?

What’s next?, Mary’s gynecological exam results?



Myth # 5:

The records of the Romans alone about the life and times of Jesus should be enough to convince the masses. Tiberius went to the floor of the Roman senate just after the death of Christ and petitioned that Rome adopt Jesus as a god (little g).(Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Gibbons 1782)

Tiberius knew Jesus and his family personally and said so. Tiberius corresponded with his Granddaughter Claudia Procula who was married to Pilate on the matter of Jesus. Tiberius made the foster father of Jesus Noblis Decurio for the Roman Empire. That made Jesus and His foster father Roman citizens worthy of note in the records of Rome.

Reply # 5:

Again, there are NO Roman records, save for countless FORGED "documents." The statement about Tiberius going to the Roman senate was made by Tertullian (c. 160-230 CE), one of the "little liars of the Lord," long after the purported event. Of this statement by Tertullian, the Catholic Encyclopedia (CE) says:

The narrative is not worthy of belief, still it is probable that Tertullian knew a document that professed to be a report of Pilate.

"Professed" being a key word here. Kimball is again referring to FORGED texts regarding Procla,
etc., one of the many such spurious texts found in The Lost Books of the Bible, which is one of Kimball’s "sources." The reason why these texts were "hidden" is because they are known forgeries.

(Contd.)
Frijoles

South Glastonbury, CT

#37645 Jun 24, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Frijoles---and Hughbe is not a homosexual
HughBe--- Correct but you are. Some will say that there is no fundamental difference between a homosexual and a paedophile.
Lame attempt to draw attention to yourself
JOEL PASTAKIA

Mumbai, India

#37646 Jun 24, 2012
Oh these gays and bisexuals. What are they up to?
JOEL PASTAKIA

Mumbai, India

#37648 Jun 24, 2012
The Jewish shabbat, the Islamic Friday, the Christian Sunday and the many days that the Hindus consider holy are sheer superstitions.
JOEL PASTAKIA

Mumbai, India

#37649 Jun 24, 2012
WORDS OF AN ASURA (DEMON):

DEUTERONOMY CHAPTER 17:

1 Thou shalt not sacrifice unto the LORD thy God an ox, or a sheep, wherein is a blemish, even any evil thing; for that is an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

2 If there be found in the midst of thee, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that doeth that which is evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing His covenant

3 and hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, or the sun, or the moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have commanded not

4 and it be told thee, and thou hear it, then shalt thou inquire diligently, and, behold, if it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel;

5 then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, who have done this evil thing, unto thy gates, even the man or the woman; and thou shalt stone them with stones, that they die.

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