Intrepid Potash workers hoping to for...

Intrepid Potash workers hoping to form union in Carlsbad

There are 59 comments on the Carlsbad Current-Argus story from Apr 20, 2013, titled Intrepid Potash workers hoping to form union in Carlsbad. In it, Carlsbad Current-Argus reports that:

Employees at Intrepid Potash, one of Carlsbad's largest employers, are in the beginning stages of forming a union.

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Since: Feb 09

Carlsbad, NM

#25 Apr 23, 2013
_Aristotle_ wrote:
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Lol, MOST unions in the past did wonders for the working man. Helping achieve safety in the workplace and fair and just hours/benefits. Unions today are ran by the greedy, do little to help the working man and do irreparable damage to the companies they "negotiate" with. There are easy cases to point out like Hostess, GM and Delta Airlines. All too often these companies are strong armed into agreements with a union that make it impossible for the company to be competitive. Anyone who has resided in the area long enough can remember how useless the union at Eddy Potash was. Anyone else who has spent anytime at WIPP has seen first hand how bad the Steelworkers Union is for the site(and those are our tax dollars at work, lol work, I have seen first hand these guys on the clock reading the newspaper for hours). No, like I said before, this is a BAD idea. Conditions at Intrepid are far from horrendous and I very much doubt they can get anywhere near the %51 needed.
the union at eddy potash wasnt bad....the support from the membership was....we used to be strong and stuck together...the change of ownership in 85 and the ousting of the union that year changed a lot...not only for us but all the other mines....when PCA fell then AMAx and the others all did...taking cuts and letting the companies do what they wanted....there was not much we could do...the Strike or lockout of 95 was a joke..because the majority of the members wanted a twelve hour shift and the union stuck its head in the ground and said no...then we were stuck with what was left on the table....i negotiated three contracts for the steelworkers.....not because i was a union fanatic but because the guys asked me to step up and do the job....those of us that did....didnt get offered jobs with Mississippi for many years....ten for me....because they didnt want any hint of a union or someone that even mentioned union there...but the three years i worked at intrepid i constantly told the guys and the bosses that a union was needed there...just to keep things fair....never mind the union corruption...the theft from the memberships funds and the going on expensive conventions and seminars...the union got the left over money anyway....unlike AMAxs local....but even then those were the days when if you had a problem you could shut down the work and call your union reps...now they will tell you that you have the right to stop work....but thats not what really happens....and with a union ...if you are doing the job...you get paid for the job....i ran a miner at c-pay for over two years....with 19plus years of underground experience....and many others will do the job for years and not get paid for the job they are doing....in a union...the company has to prove why you cant get your raise.....without one ....you have to suck up and prove that you deserve it.....and maybe they will pat you on the head and say ....good boy....

Since: Apr 12

Carlsbad, NM

#26 Apr 23, 2013
ellvis wrote:
<quoted text>the union at eddy potash wasnt bad....the support from the membership was....we used to be strong and stuck together...the change of ownership in 85 and the ousting of the union that year changed a lot...not only for us but all the other mines....when PCA fell then AMAx and the others all did...taking cuts and letting the companies do what they wanted....there was not much we could do...the Strike or lockout of 95 was a joke..because the majority of the members wanted a twelve hour shift and the union stuck its head in the ground and said no...then we were stuck with what was left on the table....i negotiated three contracts for the steelworkers.....not because i was a union fanatic but because the guys asked me to step up and do the job....those of us that did....didnt get offered jobs with Mississippi for many years....ten for me....because they didnt want any hint of a union or someone that even mentioned union there...but the three years i worked at intrepid i constantly told the guys and the bosses that a union was needed there...just to keep things fair....never mind the union corruption...the theft from the memberships funds and the going on expensive conventions and seminars...the union got the left over money anyway....unlike AMAxs local....but even then those were the days when if you had a problem you could shut down the work and call your union reps...now they will tell you that you have the right to stop work....but thats not what really happens....and with a union ...if you are doing the job...you get paid for the job....i ran a miner at c-pay for over two years....with 19plus years of underground experience....and many others will do the job for years and not get paid for the job they are doing....in a union...the company has to prove why you cant get your raise.....without one ....you have to suck up and prove that you deserve it.....and maybe they will pat you on the head and say ....good boy....
By law you have the ability to shut down the mine at anytime if you deem there is a threat to safety. That does not have anything to do with a union. With 19 years of underground experience I do not know why you would have accepted the job at C pay anyways. The union at Eddy was completely pointless. Suck up and prove that you deserve a raise? You mean do your job efficiently and in a safe manner? There will always be exceptions at times but from what I have seen it is not near as rampant as you suggest. Right now a mismanaged union will do nothing but put Intrepid out of business. Go the way of the UAW huh? Better to run the company into the ground then use common sense.

Since: Feb 09

Carlsbad, NM

#28 Apr 23, 2013
_Aristotle_ wrote:
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By law you have the ability to shut down the mine at anytime if you deem there is a threat to safety. That does not have anything to do with a union. With 19 years of underground experience I do not know why you would have accepted the job at C pay anyways. The union at Eddy was completely pointless. Suck up and prove that you deserve a raise? You mean do your job efficiently and in a safe manner? There will always be exceptions at times but from what I have seen it is not near as rampant as you suggest. Right now a mismanaged union will do nothing but put Intrepid out of business. Go the way of the UAW huh? Better to run the company into the ground then use common sense.
you make good points here...but in the real world...if you cause problems then you are on the radar....by problems i mean by pointing out things and offerering suggestions how to improve things...i know...yes...do your job in an efficient and safe manner....and productive...the key here is productive since everyone can sit around and be safe twiddling their thumbs but no production is getting done then there is no potash to sell....the union has never been about everyone....because not everyone is singled out...and not everyone is going to have problems....its like a chicken in a chicken coop...if one starts pecking on another and no fight happens...then all the others start joining in and pecking on that one...thats what the union is about....equality for all ...not just for a few ....there will always be favoritism...people are human and will tend to favor others they like and denigrate the ones they dont....i once help train a kid on the miners....he was tall and lanky and didnt have a great attitude....the others kinda messed with him...so the bosses did too....he was tough though and quit the mines and now he owns Madron Services.....and one of the most successful young men in the state....but this is the exception also....there was another kid that people picked on...good natured....and strong and tough....he ended getting in a car chase and shooting it out with the cops and getting killed after severely wounding Officer Redman...she lost her career because of this....this is why a Union needs to be in place...it failed in instilling in its members that mutual respect should be given to all at Eddy Potash...but things have changed and that should be the first golden rule.....treat others with respect....this will go along way....if this didnt have to be told then there would not need to be any unions anywhere....having a union will not run intrepid into the ground....it will only let people come together to speak as a group instead of individually...there is strength in numbers....and at intrepid you are on your own.....now if they would offer to form commitees comprised of employees that made decisions on labor disputes instead of letting HR make every decision then a union would be redundant...but intrepids philosophy is .....MY WAY....OR THE COMPANYS WAY...OR THE HIGHWAY....
cmen

Carlsbad, NM

#29 Apr 23, 2013
all I know is that upper management at intrepid are [email protected] bricks sending emails being real nice telling us that letting the union in wont help out and that they will just make this worse and maybe have to layoff people hmmmm
see you at the union hall tonight
cmen

Carlsbad, NM

#30 Apr 23, 2013
I work at intrepid north plant and over there its who you know and if you kiss there aZZ its the good ol boy way see you tonight at the union hall

Since: Apr 12

Carlsbad, NM

#31 Apr 23, 2013
cmen wrote:
I work at intrepid north plant and over there its who you know and if you kiss there aZZ its the good ol boy way see you tonight at the union hall
I almost hope they are keeping tabs on who is showing up there at the hall. The only email sent out regarding anything was in reference to the break issue. I have not seen anything else, if you have something please share.

I will be voting against any forming of a union, and most of the people I work with have pledged the same.

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#32 Apr 23, 2013
Cmen, Aristotle are the same person. Look at both and it is easy to see. The person has the same writing as previous sites, even writing BS to me on my cousin's page.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/rogersville-t...

When asked who the person was his response was not I do know the person, just which one referring to himself. Easy to catch on. He only stated he slept with me because he either believes I have been with so many men when that is a lie or it is to try to throw me off by "lying" and wanting me to think he is thoe "other" peson when like I said I know who I have been with and have not been with. I sure as hell never been with him.
pee-miner

Carlsbad, NM

#33 Apr 24, 2013
I think the Union is stupid we dont need it at all. Intrepid is fine the way it is! What we need is to get rid of all these lazy people out here! we take enough breaks as it is and some people get over paid! Ive worked here for over 8 years its the lazy people that dont want to do shit is whats causing problems. Some people need to man up and do there just right and they wouldnt have any problems!!!
Citizen

Lovington, NM

#34 Apr 24, 2013
pee-miner wrote:
I think the Union is stupid we dont need it at all. Intrepid is fine the way it is! What we need is to get rid of all these lazy people out here! we take enough breaks as it is and some people get over paid! Ive worked here for over 8 years its the lazy people that dont want to do shit is whats causing problems. Some people need to man up and do there just right and they wouldnt have any problems!!!
I agree!
johnson

Carlsbad, NM

#35 Apr 24, 2013
pee-miner wrote:
I think the Union is stupid we dont need it at all. Intrepid is fine the way it is! What we need is to get rid of all these lazy people out here! we take enough breaks as it is and some people get over paid! Ive worked here for over 8 years its the lazy people that dont want to do **** is whats causing problems. Some people need to man up and do there just right and they wouldnt have any problems!!!
people who WANT a union should moved to coal mining country..... VA, WV, KY, etc..........
pee-miner

Carlsbad, NM

#37 Apr 24, 2013
people who WANT a union are just lazy and want to sit on their azz and collect a paycheck, just like the liberals who support OBAMA. I like to think of it as employment wellfare! Intrepid has always treated me right and I have faith they will always do so.
union

Carlsbad, NM

#38 May 7, 2013
whens the next meeting i missed the last one
Carlitos

Haslet, TX

#39 May 8, 2013
union wrote:
whens the next meeting i missed the last one
if you need your job don't go
Carlsbad Resident

Lovington, NM

#40 May 8, 2013
pee-miner wrote:
people who WANT a union are just lazy and want to sit on their azz and collect a paycheck, just like the liberals who support OBAMA. I like to think of it as employment wellfare! Intrepid has always treated me right and I have faith they will always do so.
Perfect example look at Carlsbad Union ""Just About"" all of them are ""Lazy Union"" they sit in the truck or go hide someplace where they can see.
gv

United States

#41 May 8, 2013
_Aristotle_ wrote:
Worst idea ever
Ya
gv

United States

#42 May 8, 2013
Hey
cmen

Carlsbad, NM

#43 May 11, 2013
_Aristotle_ wrote:
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I almost hope they are keeping tabs on who is showing up there at the hall. The only email sent out regarding anything was in reference to the break issue. I have not seen anything else, if you have something please share.
I will be voting against any forming of a union, and most of the people I work with have pledged the same.
kss azz
D S L

Gladewater, TX

#44 May 11, 2013
I'll be one of the first to stand up for Union support. Higher pay if I wa t to file a grievance I'm not stifled by my uppity coworker. I've worked for unions back east and honored to have them here.
Koosh-Koosh

Carlsbad, NM

#45 May 15, 2013
Careful what you wish for; a Union could take away what you already have (due to Senority & Experience)as far as your current job classification and rate of pay. The cushiony job you have now may belong to someone else later on, thanks to your coworkers pushing for the union. Union Benefits are expensive, the more you work, the more you pay.
J Garcia

South San Francisco, CA

#46 May 15, 2013
Coming from a union member for 30yrs labor force needs to be protection from working in a dangerous work sites an to protect them from employer discrimination on any bases an the way your union servies is to support your local an attend all meeting.

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