Martinez upset over rescinded invitat...

Martinez upset over rescinded invitation to Concord debate

There are 11 comments on the Lowell Sun story from Oct 18, 2008, titled Martinez upset over rescinded invitation to Concord debate. In it, Lowell Sun reports that:

Sandi Martinez's campaign for the 3rd Middlesex state Senate District last night was considering holding a rally outside Town Hall after being asked not to take part in the Concord-Carlisle League of Women ...

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Ducking the debate

North Chelmsford, MA

#1 Oct 18, 2008
If I was Senator Fargo, I would also want to avoid any questioning and win by name recognition. Here is what someone had to say about the debate in Sudbury.

I went to the debate at the High School last night and it was very informative. There has been essentially no newspaper coverage of these candidates so I don't know how most people could ever hope to make an informed decision.

Our current Senator, Susan Fargo, started out with a big advantage by having much more experience with the issues and a long list of achievements. I was expecting her to crush the competition and easily sail to victory. The challenger, Sandi Martinez, quickly took the wind out of her sails with cold hard well documented facts on the issues people care about the most.

There was a handout that illustrated the rapidly expanding state budget and run away out of control debt. Did you know that Massachusetts has the highest per capita debt of any state? Fargo blamed it on 'the previous administration,' which apparently means Mitt Romney. Nice try, but our previous Governor wasn't there for the debt increase of 9.1% from 2007 to 2008. Fargo was.

The handout also included copies of some very interesting Senate roll call votes. It looks like pages copied out of a book.
For example, when Jessica's Law was being considered in the Senate, Fargo seemed to be more interested in protecting the rights of dangerous criminals convicted of rape of a child by force than our children. She voted AGAINST prohibiting convicted sex offenders from driving ice cream trucks and school busses. AGAINST sex offender registration for life. AGAINST minimum mandatory sentences.
Where Martinez really smacked her down was on jobs and taxes. Business associations (NFIB and AIM) gave Fargo horrible ratings year after year for creating an environment hostile to businesses. Our new job creation rate is the second worst in the country. Citizens for Limited Taxation gave her even worse ratings. Zero percent (worst possible!) for one of her terms.

Fargo had very good command of the issues, facts, and statistics. But she made one bald faced lie which went unchallenged. She claimed that the budget was balanced when it was passed a few months ago. It wasn't.
There were a lot of warnings early summer that the projected revenues where about a billion dollars less than the budget total. It was never in balance. It was irresponsible to promise spending that couldnt be funded and it would catch up to us eventually.


Martinez wants to have a web site that lists all state expenditures so we can see where our money is going. Several other states have done this already. Fargo voted against this type of proposal twice. Why shouldn't we be able to find out where our money is going? What do they have to hide?

There was one other very interesting thing in the handout which wasn't mentioned during the debate. Fargo sponsored a 17 page transgender rights bill (H1722) which is just too strange to discuss here in detail. If men want to put on dresses and wigs and hang out in bars, fine, go right ahead, it doesnt bother me, but PLEASE leave the children out of it. If the bill became law it would even dictate what is taught to our children in the schools. I don't think first grade children should be taught how a man can be surgically altered and become a 'woman.' Don't laugh. This has happened in some schools.

If you want higher taxes, irresponsible spending beyond our means, a hostile environment that drives away businesses, secrecy in how OUR money is being spent, and a legal 'right' for a man to use the ladies' restroom, then you will want to vote for Fargo.

Concord MA

Pelham, NH

#2 Oct 18, 2008
The non-partisan League of Women voters is helping entrenched incumbant Susan Fargo by attempting to hide the fact that Sandi Martinez is eager to share her views and discuss Susans voting record while our 6-term Senator tries to hide from her own record.
If they are hosting a candidates forum, they should invite all candidates and let those who are willing to take questions from the voters participate. By refusing to even acknowledge the Senate race, they not only give cover to Susan Fargo's cowardice, but they do a disservice to the voters who are left to choose their next Senator based on party affilliation.
I understand Susan Fargo is a member of the LWV. I would think that the League would be insulted by her refusal to participate in 50% of their 2008 forums.
I read somewhere that Sandi Martiez has already pledged to participate in all 2010 debates if she wins the seat this year.
What a breath of fresh air!
Chelmsford Publius

Townsend, MA

#3 Oct 18, 2008
Susan Fargo has a lot to hide, apparently. I can think of no other reason she'd not appear. Considering that Concord is liberal Democrat country, what could she have to fear?
Donald P Andresen

Haverhill, MA

#4 Oct 18, 2008
Let freedom ring in concord ,
i will in attendance

Since: Oct 08

Dracut, MA

#5 Oct 18, 2008
The League of Women Voters has a rule of both candidates constitute a debate. the rule has been in effectfor a least a half- century.

What do you not understand here?
It was explained very effectively in the article.

Maybe we can have it Halloween Night and Samantha Martinez can come in costume as a witch.

Maynard, MA

#6 Oct 18, 2008
The LWV's claim of being nonpartisan is a joke. Due to their strong liberal bias, in conservative circles they're known as the League of Women Vultures.
Concord MA

Pelham, NH

#7 Oct 19, 2008
artcar wrote:
The League of Women Voters has a rule of both candidates constitute a debate. the rule has been in effectfor a least a half- century.
What do you not understand here?
It was explained very effectively in the article.
Maybe we can have it Halloween Night and Samantha Martinez can come in costume as a witch.
Two years ago, in Chelmsford, Sen. Fargo chose not to participate in the LWV Candidates Forum... They let her Chief of Staff take her place.

Tell me again how the Leage's policy is "both candidates constitute a debate"?

AS for the witch comment, I'll let that stand as your attempt at thoughtful and reasoned argument.

By the way, the rally was terriffic! Sandi's supporters outnumbered the forum's attendance by at lest 4-1.

The non-partisan LWV agent tried to invoke LWV's "authority" and push us accross the street. He threatned to call the police and evidently did, because they showed up and told us that we were well within our rights to hold a peaceful rally on town property.

I would have though that LWV would support civil rights...

This was an embarrasing situation for the League of Women Voters...

Peabody, MA

#8 Oct 19, 2008
It's too bad I don't live in the Fargo/Martinez district because sfter of LWV actions - I would definitely vote for Martinez.
What dont you understand

North Chelmsford, MA

#9 Oct 19, 2008
artcar wrote:
The League of Women Voters has a rule of both candidates constitute a debate. the rule has been in effectfor a least a half- century.
What do you not understand here?
It was explained very effectively in the article.
Maybe we can have it Halloween Night and Samantha Martinez can come in costume as a witch.
What do you not understand here?
It was explained very effectively in the article.

There would be no debate because Senator Fargo did not want to participate. Probably a wise move after getting beat up so badly in Sudbury.

The League told candidate Sandi Martinez that she could still appear at the Forum and say a few words to introduce herself. No questions. Just a very brief introduction. Later that invitation was withdrawn.

When Martinez supporters had a rally outside the event, two different League members threatened to call the Police. Several people had camcorders were rolling so I'm sure it it's well documented.

I wonder if the LWV will be issuing a written apology for their threats and intimidation.
Shameful behavior

North Chelmsford, MA

#10 Oct 19, 2008
I was at the rally at the Concord Town House today. The LWV people should be ashamed of themselves.

One of their representatives came outside said that the Martinez signs violated the town's political sign bylaw and suggested that the Police might want to enforce that law.

Sandi was not allowed to appear inside so she planned to make a brief speech outside instead.

When a microphone was being set up on the steps of the building, another one of the LWV people said that this type of gathering not allowed in front of the town hall and again made references about how the Police might be called to break it up.

Not wishing to have a confrontation, the group was preparing to move across the street. Then the Police arrived. Would they haul Sandi away in handcuffs for exercising our First Amendment rights in front of a government building?

No. Quite the opposite. No laws were being broken. The gathering had every right to be there and hold signs. Sandi, or anyone else, had a right to make a speech from the steps of the town hall. Just keep the sidewalk clear so others can get by.

The enthusiastic crowd outside was much much larger than the audience inside but you probably won't see any mention of this in the newspapers.
She is a nut case

Chelmsford, MA

#11 Oct 23, 2008
Sandi places her religious values over everything else. Become more active in your church - but stay away from trying to push your extremist views on people. Your belief that your way or the highway just is unfair.

She and her team think that if we call her an extremist religious zealot that we must be some kind of fringe group. Quite the contrary, we lead a very normal life with two great kids.

We support public education. We support our church. We support medical research using limited types of stem cells. We may think she is a zealot but we do not hate.

Sandi is a very good church going woman. Sandi has very strong beliefs that concern many people. Susan may not be the perfect candidate - but Sandi needs to find work in the church and not at the State House.

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