State Responds To Concerns Regarding Power Plant

As the State Legislative Session ended, several pieces of legislation emerged to help the North Shore School District and other local municipalities address issues relating to the ramp down at the Glenwood Landing power plant.

[Tim]

The Glenwood Power Plant has been in operation and paying property taxes for well over 50 years. When built these plants are usually designed for a 40 year lifetime. So it should come to no surprise that the plant now need to be shutdown. The local school district should have planned for this years ago. Rather they did nothing and now expect the rest of LI to bail them out

[Northshoreguy]

It makes no sense to close a power plant when according to LIPAs own energy survey megawatt consumption increases 2.5% per year. By the year 2025 megawatts needed will increase by 2000.

While LIPA is closing Glenwood, a Japanese company is submitting a proposal to site a new power plant in Shoreham.

They are taking our publicly owned powerplant, dismantling it, and letting a foreign company build the replacement. Long Islanders are being sold out, and our elected officials are oblivious to it (or paid off).

[Tim]

Northshoreguy wrote:

It makes no sense to close a power plant when according to LIPAs own energy survey megawatt consumption increases 2.5% per year. By the year 2025 megawatts needed will increase by 2000.
While LIPA is closing Glenwood, a Japanese company is submitting a proposal to site a new power plant in Shoreham.
They are taking our publicly owned powerplant, dismantling it, and letting a foreign company build the replacement. Long Islanders are being sold out, and our elected officials are oblivious to it (or paid off).

I'm sorry you really don't know what you are talking about.
1. The Glenwood Plants will operate less than 5% of the time over the next ten years, this is because they are very inefficient, where a new plant in Shoreham would use less than 1/2 the fuel that the Glenwood Plants use and would operate close to 100% of the time.
2. Operating a plant at <5% of the time is extremely expensive since personnel and maintenance expences do not decrease proportionately
3. The Glenwood Plants are not publicly owned, they are owned by National Grid not LIPA. National Grid is an English Company

[Taxpayer]

Time for the school board to start planning.

[Northshoreguy]

The Glenwood plant can be re-powered at a much lower cost than building a new one at Shoreham. All of the infrastructure is in place, such as wiring, stitching, and transformer banks, the building, an oil terminal, and nat gas pipelines.

National grid lost their bid to service LIPA's territory, PSE&G is taking over. Our plants should go to PSE&G. Instead we are allowing our infrastructure to be owned by for-profit and foreign companies that will sell us power at the highest bidding price.

Ratepayers have already been scammed with rate rigging, market manipulation, and fraud by power generators. Look-it up.

I wished I lived in Freeport, where the city has it's own power station, and a much lower kilowatt rates.

[Tim]

Northshoreguy wrote:

The Glenwood plant can be re-powered at a much lower cost than building a new one at Shoreham. All of the infrastructure is in place, such as wiring, stitching, and transformer banks, the building, an oil terminal, and nat gas pipelines.
National grid lost their bid to service LIPA's territory, PSE&G is taking over. Our plants should go to PSE&G. Instead we are allowing our infrastructure to be owned by for-profit and foreign companies that will sell us power at the highest bidding price.
Ratepayers have already been scammed with rate rigging, market manipulation, and fraud by power generators. Look-it up.
I wished I lived in Freeport, where the city has it's own power station, and a much lower kilowatt rates.

You say repowering Glenwood would be cheeper than building at Shoreham. lets see.
The two Glenwood Plants total 210 MW, Shoreham will be over 300MW. So the transformers will not work, besides they are over 50 yrs old.
There is not the physical land to a 300+MW plant at Glenwood.
Glenwood does not burn any oil, only natural gas.
Shoreham has the wiring from the 800 MW nuclear plant, Glenwood wiring would have to be rebuilt to handle the 300+ MW.
There is no physical building that could be reused at Glenwood

[Tim]

One other thing. Northshoreguy does not understand how electricity is sold & distributed.
All power plants submit their price per kilowatt to the NYS Interdependent System Operator (ISO) The ISO then determines which plants are the cheapest and tell only the plants needed to operate. Thus the generated electricity is supplied to the distribution company at the lowest rate. So most of LI energy is imported from off LI from other producers.
This is exactly why the Glenwood Plant and also the Far Rockaway plant have closed. Because they need approximately 13,000 BTUs of fuel to generate each kilowatt. A new combined cycle plant will need approximately 6000-7000 BTUs of energy to produce each kw.
So the ISO rarely tells Glenwood to operate, and will tell a new combined cycle plant to operate as much as possible.

[allison]

how much are taxes proposed to increase in Sea Cliff?

[Northshoreguy]

Tim,

All of your conclusions are based on the old boilers of the Glenwood plant. It is a given that the old boilers are inefficient, but the plant can be re-powered with new turbines/comb cycle or diesel engines that will bring the generation cost on par with plants anywhere else. Once that is done, the ISO will operate Glenwood at higher levels. Lipa's energy plan predicts Long Island will need this plant, even if another plant is built in Shoreham or elsewhere. There won't be enough long distance cables to bring power in from Canada. Cuomo wants to shut Indian Point NY, where will those 2000 megawatts come from?

The Glenwood edifice can be reused or renovated to suit the new plant.

Also being ignored by you are the decommissioning costs of the site, including environmental remediation. That will exceed the costs of upgrading the transformers to 300MW - if that is needed. Incidentally who owns the abandoned oil tanks that are situated next to the plant? The community should demand that they be removed.