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Economic recovery -- 'Hawaiian style' - Hawaii Editorials

There are 25 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Nov 29, 2009, titled Economic recovery -- 'Hawaiian style' - Hawaii Editorials. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

There was once enough for everyone. That was before Captain Cook "discovered" our Hawaiian islands on his way to find a northwest passage, before the missionaries came to save our heathen ancestors and before the American businessmen called in the U.S. Navy to protect their land investments.

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Kalli

Mililani, HI

#1 Nov 29, 2009
Nobody is stopping the Hawaiians from becoming the most successful people in these islands. If the Hawaiian culture is so powerful why are theyre so my young Hawaiians on drugs, who beat their spouses, dont want to work, only want to collect welfare? Hawaiians are the only culture that would prefer to look back than to look forward.
ECONOMICS

Wailuku, HI

#2 Nov 29, 2009
Economic recovery --'Hawaiian style'
THIS IS ECONOMICS???
LETS GO BACK TO OUR LITTLE GRASS SHACK IN KEALAKAUA HAWAII.....IT IS NOSTALGIA FOR AN ERA WHICH NEVER EXISTED.
THE ONLY THING IN THE ARTICLE WE CAN ALL AGREE WITH...IS BEING THRIFTY AND TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR OURSELVES....AND THIS IS NOT ONLY A NATIVE HAWAIIAN THING....NO MATTER WHAT IS SAID ABOVE...EVEN THE SO-CALLED "COLONIZERS" AND OTHERS IN OTHER LANDS WHO ARE CONTENT AND SUCCESSFUL HAVE THIS QUALITIES TOO--
ALOHA
Captain Cookie

AOL

#3 Nov 29, 2009
Here's yet another example of the twisted logic that passes for deep thinking in Hawaii. The author presents the same old discredited argument that life in Hawaii was so much better before Westerners arrived. OK, sure, if you want to go back to living in the Stone Age. Hawaiian society included slavery, a caste system, gender discrimination and government by an incestuous hereditary elite. There was no democracy, no right to vote, no equality under the law and no Constitution. Constant warfare appears to have been the norm - culminating in Kamehameha's brutal conquest of the islands that involved killing lots of his neighbors. Hawaiians also did not live in perfect harmony with nature. The fossil record indicates they hunted several flightless species of birds into extinction. Other things that were missing included a written language and an understanding of the world based on science rather than superstition. Westerners and market capitalism have brought incredible advances to Hawaii. Among them are such niceties as the wheel, electricity, plumbing, modern medicine, the Internet, cars, telephones, television, Safeway and Zippys.

Using the victim mentality typical of liberals, McGregor bemoans "what little control we as individuals have over our lives." Is she joking? How about the right to a free public education? Or the right to run for public office and vote for your leaders? How about the ability to travel anywhere in the world by airplane? How about the right to move to any of 49 other states? How about the freedom to practice any religion you like? How about legal protection from all kinds of discrimination? The United States offers an incredible variety of freedoms and opportunities that allow individuals to exercise unprecedented control over their lives. That's why millions of people have immigrated to America from all over the world. As much as anyone McGregor has benefited from American society and government. She makes a living producing short videos. Here's a newsflash: pre-contact Hawaiians did not have videos and were not about to invent them anytime soon. McGregor also won $10,000 from the Alaska Federation of Natives. That never would have happened if Hawaii and Alaska weren't part of the United States of America. In other words, Western civilization and American citizenship have benefited McGregor tremendously. She has far more choices and opportunities than she would have had stuck on the islands in a stone age society. While she's right to advocate sensible spending by individuals, McGregor has no intention of returning to a pre-Western lifestyle and she should not try to con us into believing we would all be better off doing so.

“Kokokahi -We are all one blood”

Since: Mar 08

United States

#4 Nov 29, 2009
Lurline has spun quite a yarn about the good old days before the white man came and screwed up everything.

Indeed there were beautiful aspects to the ancient culture, which we remember fondly and work to preserve and revive.

But Lurline left out a few things. The Hawaiians had not yet invented the wheel. They had no metal, or clay pottery. They practiced a highly oppressive social caste system, which included human sacrifice. Women were denied fundamental human rights, along with men in the maka'ainana caste. There was constant warfare, presumably because the people were not able to get enough food from their own (allegedly) self-sufficient ecologically harmonious ahupua'a.

That "beautiful" culture had been going the same way for centuries, and would have continued even until now if nobody from outside had come in and caused change to take place.

Sorry Lurline, I'm not buying your fairy tale. And anyway, what point are you trying to make by asserting it? Go home evil haole? Tear down the buildings and expressways, and get back into the taro patch?
Von

Aiea, HI

#5 Nov 29, 2009
Yes I liked the Elvis Presley Blue Hawaii movies a lot also. Back then women did not wear any clothes. There were luaus every day, grass shacks, hula girls, canoe boat rides between the islands with every one singing blue Hawaii.
Do you really want to go backsword in time? Tell me more as I'm already getting excited about your idea.

Come with me
While the moon is on the sea,
The night is young
And so are we, so are we

Dreams come true
In blue Hawaii
And mine could all come true
This magic night of nights with you



Aloha
gag

Honolulu, HI

#6 Nov 29, 2009
I thought this was a stoy on how democrat politicians and their friends get richer and richer by taxing everyone into debt, and everyone else sucks the big one.
alice

United States

#7 Nov 29, 2009
Kalli wrote:
Nobody is stopping the Hawaiians from becoming the most successful people in these islands. If the Hawaiian culture is so powerful why are theyre so my young Hawaiians on drugs, who beat their spouses, dont want to work, only want to collect welfare? Hawaiians are the only culture that would prefer to look back than to look forward.
Lurline represents what holds Hawaiians back: theirt refusal to take individual responsibility for their actions and success while blaming Asians and Euros. Ancient Haswaii was a nightmare with constant warfare, slavery, stolen land from the Marquesans, infanitfice, sexism. environmental despoilation and human sacrifice. Nobody in the world is interested in copying a single aspect of that culture.
LOL

Kihei, HI

#8 Nov 29, 2009
alice wrote:
<quoted text>Lurline represents what holds Hawaiians back: theirt refusal to take individual responsibility for their actions and success while blaming Asians and Euros. Ancient Haswaii was a nightmare with constant warfare, slavery, stolen land from the Marquesans, infanitfice, sexism. environmental despoilation and human sacrifice. Nobody in the world is interested in copying a single aspect of that culture.
What civilization's history is any different? That's how it was, and that's how it was. Move on.
kimo sabe

Kailua Kona, HI

#9 Nov 29, 2009
there is a calling and a longing within, we the people, that this wise and kind editorialist conveys.

the life of the land and sea WILL BE perpetuated in righteousness.

geev'um cuz
Von

Aiea, HI

#10 Nov 29, 2009
alice wrote:
<quoted text>Lurline represents what holds Hawaiians back: theirt refusal to take individual responsibility for their actions and success while blaming Asians and Euros. Ancient Haswaii was a nightmare with constant warfare, slavery, stolen land from the Marquesans, infanitfice, sexism. environmental despoilation and human sacrifice. Nobody in the world is interested in copying a single aspect of that culture.
Very true !
alice

United States

#11 Nov 29, 2009
The record is clear: in the midst of chaos and constant murder, Hawaiians begged missionarioes in new England to come to this wretched land and help it. They came and were invited by Kam II and Kaahumanu, the most powerful woman in Hawaiian History, to stay. Later. Catholic missionaries came to protect Hawaiians from themselves-like FGather Damien. Only when Hawaiians study their own history honestly and start taking responsibility for their actions will they move ahead as countless other ethnic groups have here.
Talofa

Tualatin, OR

#12 Nov 29, 2009
It was a beautiful written article but her solutions are far from reality.I too wish we could go back in time and live life like as ancestors did but try convincing today's youth about preserving Hawaiian history. Most kids can't hear you because of the buds of the IPOD jammed in their ear.
glenn paul

Johnson City, NY

#13 Nov 29, 2009
Von wrote:
Yes I liked the Elvis Presley Blue Hawaii movies a lot also. Back then women did not wear any clothes. There were luaus every day, grass shacks, hula girls, canoe boat rides between the islands with every one singing blue Hawaii.
Do you really want to go backsword in time? Tell me more as I'm already getting excited about your idea.
Come with me
While the moon is on the sea,
The night is young
And so are we, so are we
Dreams come true
In blue Hawaii
And mine could all come true
This magic night of nights with you
Aloha
Hi Von. We also enjoy the movie. Wow, waikiki has changed. At the beginning just look at waikiki as elvis and his girl are driving on Kalakaua Ave. Theres hardly any hotels. The way it used to be. Also, we LOL when elvis gets to his little beach home. His house is actually the snack bar at Hanauma Bay if it is still there.
glenn paul

Johnson City, NY

#14 Nov 29, 2009
Captain Cookie wrote:
Here's yet another example of the twisted logic that passes for deep thinking in Hawaii. The author presents the same old discredited argument that life in Hawaii was so much better before Westerners arrived. OK, sure, if you want to go back to living in the Stone Age. Hawaiian society included slavery, a caste system, gender discrimination and government by an incestuous hereditary elite. There was no democracy, no right to vote, no equality under the law and no Constitution. Constant warfare appears to have been the norm - culminating in Kamehameha's brutal conquest of the islands that involved killing lots of his neighbors. Hawaiians also did not live in perfect harmony with nature. The fossil record indicates they hunted several flightless species of birds into extinction. Other things that were missing included a written language and an understanding of the world based on science rather than superstition. Westerners and market capitalism have brought incredible advances to Hawaii. Among them are such niceties as the wheel, electricity, plumbing, modern medicine, the Internet, cars, telephones, television, Safeway and Zippys.
Using the victim mentality typical of liberals, McGregor bemoans "what little control we as individuals have over our lives." Is she joking? How about the right to a free public education? Or the right to run for public office and vote for your leaders? How about the ability to travel anywhere in the world by airplane? How about the right to move to any of 49 other states? How about the freedom to practice any religion you like? How about legal protection from all kinds of discrimination? The United States offers an incredible variety of freedoms and opportunities that allow individuals to exercise unprecedented control over their lives. That's why millions of people have immigrated to America from all over the world. As much as anyone McGregor has benefited from American society and government. She makes a living producing short videos. Here's a newsflash: pre-contact Hawaiians did not have videos and were not about to invent them anytime soon. McGregor also won $10,000 from the Alaska Federation of Natives. That never would have happened if Hawaii and Alaska weren't part of the United States of America. In other words, Western civilization and American citizenship have benefited McGregor tremendously. She has far more choices and opportunities than she would have had stuck on the islands in a stone age society. While she's right to advocate sensible spending by individuals, McGregor has no intention of returning to a pre-Western lifestyle and she should not try to con us into believing we would all be better off doing so.
Captain Cookie. I basically have to agree with you. We were curious how the people actually feel with hawaii now being a state. We asked a lot of people in our travels to the different islands, to a person, they all said hawaii is much better after it became a state.
alice

United States

#15 Nov 29, 2009
alice wrote:
The record is clear: in the midst of chaos and constant murder, Hawaiians begged missionarioes in new England to come to this wretched land and help it. They came and were invited by Kam II and Kaahumanu, the most powerful woman in Hawaiian History, to stay. Later. Catholic missionaries came to protect Hawaiians from themselves-like FGather Damien. Only when Hawaiians study their own history honestly and start taking responsibility for their actions will they move ahead as countless other ethnic groups have here.
I wish more would tell the truth so boldly as we waste a lot of time on phony complaints here

“Kokokahi -We are all one blood”

Since: Mar 08

United States

#16 Nov 29, 2009
Lurline said "Native people we are in a position to help shift the paradigm of western economic thinking by leading through example -- consuming less and taking only what we need. The more we take responsibility for our own actions and support leaders whose policies are in our best interests, the sooner the changes can start to be made that will assure the survival of our grandchildren, their descendants and most importantly, our beloved Earth."

Kayden. I say Lurline is a hypocrite, but maybe she will set me straight by answering these questions related to "consuming less and taking only what we need."

How big is your house?
What kind of car do you drive?
How much food did you throw away last week?
How many TVs do you have, and how big are they?

I absolutely detest people like Al Gore and John Edwards who tell everyone else to cut their carbon emissions and cut waste even while they themselves live in huge mansions, drive huge cars and private airplanes, etc. I suspect Lurline is a hypocrite like them.
alice

United States

#17 Nov 29, 2009
Lurline is ok..she is badly informed but her fantasy has some humor value
Beetlyjuice

Mililani, HI

#18 Nov 29, 2009
Wasting bandwidth again Mr. Toxic?
Capt Bourbon

Leighton, AL

#19 Nov 29, 2009
gag wrote:
I thought this was a stoy on how democrat politicians and their friends get richer and richer by taxing everyone into debt, and everyone else sucks the big one.
Been to Hana.One beautiful place.
alice

United States

#20 Nov 29, 2009
alice wrote:
Lurline is ok..she is badly informed but her fantasy has some humor value
true..but fantasies are ok

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