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Ralph

Wooster, OH

#1 Jul 27, 2013
"Guns are a lot like parachutes ~ If you need one and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again"
The best presentation on gun control yet. Even if you don't like guns, watch this !
Should be required viewing by both sides of the issue of gun control/legislation
Here is a man who knows the constitution. Watch the faces on some Senators in the audience.


http://www.youtube.com/embed/_T-F_zfoDqI...
Gorky

Albuquerque, NM

#2 Jul 27, 2013
In 1981, under President Ronald Reagan, the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act repealed Carter's community health legislation and establishes block grants for the states, ending the federal government's role in providing services to the mentally ill. Federal mental-health spending decreases by 30 percent.

In 1985, under President Ronald Reagan, Federal funding drops to 11 percent of community mental-health agency budgets.

In 2009, in the aftermath of the Great Recession, states are forced to cut $4.35 billion in public mental-health spending over the next three years, the largest reduction in funding since deinstitutionalization.

In 2010, there are 43,000 psychiatric beds in the United States, or about 14 beds per 100,000 people—the same ratio as in 1850.

Start treating the mentally imbalanced people!
Stop selling guns to mentally imbalanced people!
Gorky

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Jul 27, 2013
Ralph, what is your position on selling firearms to the mentally ill?
Ralph

Wooster, OH

#5 Jul 27, 2013
Always trying to blame someone else instead of owning up to man's failure. Perhaps one should register their knives and hammers? You should not be allowed to buy a gun under your own description but I will fight to allow you to buy one.
Gorky

Albuquerque, NM

#6 Jul 27, 2013
I addressed man's failure (society's failure) to address mental health in post #2.

Either you think I'm fit to own a gun or that I am unfit. But if you think I'm mentally unfit, don't sell me a gun. I do want you to think, however. What is your position on selling firearms to the mentally ill?
Ralph

Wooster, OH

#7 Jul 27, 2013
Mentally sane today insane tomorrow, if you can tell your a fortune teller. Sorry no one can tell what is going on inside your mind. That is why we have freedom instead of outlandish regulations.
Gorky

Albuquerque, NM

#8 Jul 28, 2013
Ralph wrote:
Mentally sane today insane tomorrow, if you can tell your a fortune teller. Sorry no one can tell what is going on inside your mind. That is why we have freedom instead of outlandish regulations.
What is your position on selling firearms to the mentally ill?

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#9 Jul 28, 2013
Gorky wrote:
In 1981, under President Ronald Reagan, the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act repealed Carter's community health legislation and establishes block grants for the states, ending the federal government's role in providing services to the mentally ill. Federal mental-health spending decreases by 30 percent.
In 1985, under President Ronald Reagan, Federal funding drops to 11 percent of community mental-health agency budgets.
In 2009, in the aftermath of the Great Recession, states are forced to cut $4.35 billion in public mental-health spending over the next three years, the largest reduction in funding since deinstitutionalization.
In 2010, there are 43,000 psychiatric beds in the United States, or about 14 beds per 100,000 people—the same ratio as in 1850.
Start treating the mentally imbalanced people!
Stop selling guns to mentally imbalanced people!
Gorky, Does the President make the bills he signs, No. You forgot to mention who was the sponsor of this bill, and that the House was under Democrat control, and democrats crossed the aisle to get this bill approved.

H.R. 3982 (97th): Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981

Introduced:Jun 19, 1981 (97th Congress, 1981–1982)

Sponsor:Rep. James Jones [D-OK1]

Status:Signed by the President Slip Law: This bill became Pub.L. 97-35.

Gorky being a good liberal / progressive nowdays believes that the government cannot spend enough on social issues regardless if there is no funds for these nice to have items.

I wonder if Gorky has ever thought of why we have more children born with and growing into more dieases than ever before. And does Gorky wonder if the government approval and protection of genetic modified foods are the causes.

God gave us the perfect food, and man has messed with it.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#10 Jul 28, 2013
What I mental illness Gorky???
Gorky

Albuquerque, NM

#11 Jul 28, 2013
Excellent survey of the political background of cutting mental health services during the Reagan Administration.

Mental illness includes, mood disorders such as Major Depression and Bipolar Disorder; anxiety disorders such as Panic Disorder, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder; alcohol and other substance-related disorders; and eating disorders such as Anorexia and Bulimia.

Mental illnesses affect how we:

Think - such as our ability to concentrate, think logically, and maintain hope
Feel - such as our energy levels, irritability, and sense of pleasure
Behave - such as our sleep, appetite, or how we relate to others

Now, What is your position on selling firearms to the mentally ill?
The Mustang Kid

Alamogordo, NM

#12 Jul 28, 2013
Gorky wrote:
Excellent survey of the political background of cutting mental health services during the Reagan Administration.
Mental illness includes, mood disorders such as Major Depression and Bipolar Disorder; anxiety disorders such as Panic Disorder, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder; alcohol and other substance-related disorders; and eating disorders such as Anorexia and Bulimia.
Mental illnesses affect how we:
Think - such as our ability to concentrate, think logically, and maintain hope
Feel - such as our energy levels, irritability, and sense of pleasure
Behave - such as our sleep, appetite, or how we relate to others
Now, What is your position on selling firearms to the mentally ill?
Gorky, your question definitely falls into the category of the stupidity of a question. I'm addressing your question here not you, you raise a valid concern. Does anybody REALLY sanction the selling of guns to the mentally ill? No. The fix for this is most definitely a slippery slope. Like immigration, what comes first, border security or amnesty? Keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill must first start with responsible gun owners ensuring proper control over their own guns. The Conn school massacre might not have happened if the mother had denied her son, that she knew had mental health issues, access to her guns. It is easy to say, "let's have mental health checks included in the background checks", but who manages that program, who decides who get entered? What type and what degree qualifies for being put in this no gun mental health database? What if a normally healthy gun owner suffers a traumatic loss or family event? Should they be entered and their guns confiscated? Who controls the guns until this person is cleared by competent authority? While nobody wants those with mental health issues to have guns, it is not something that is going to be fixed overnight or by the political paranoia to take away all guns.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#13 Jul 28, 2013
Gorky wrote:
Excellent survey of the political background of cutting mental health services during the Reagan Administration.
Mental illness includes, mood disorders such as Major Depression and Bipolar Disorder; anxiety disorders such as Panic Disorder, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder; alcohol and other substance-related disorders; and eating disorders such as Anorexia and Bulimia.
Mental illnesses affect how we:
Think - such as our ability to concentrate, think logically, and maintain hope
Feel - such as our energy levels, irritability, and sense of pleasure
Behave - such as our sleep, appetite, or how we relate to others
Now, What is your position on selling firearms to the mentally ill?
So under your above mental conditions, not too many Americans would own guns. Including you..
USA needs guns

Albuquerque, NM

#14 Jul 28, 2013
now more than ever. To not have them is historically stupid. I truly do not understand the movement here in the US to remove guns from the public. Very, Very stupid and idiotic move for sure if that ever happens.
Ralph

Wooster, OH

#15 Jul 28, 2013
The way of the liberals is strange indeed. They want the government to make all their decisions because it must give them a head ache to think for themselves. They like having someone tell them what light bulbs to use and what car to drive, then the government took over the college loans and is sticking it to them but they don't mind. No thinking required.
Gorky

Albuquerque, NM

#16 Jul 28, 2013
Land Locked Sailor wrote:
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So under your above mental conditions, not too many Americans would own guns. Including you..
I don't know how many of the mentally ill have access or would have access to guns. Some of the more spectacular killing spree shooters were afterward found to have had mental problems.

I think the mentally ill should not be allowed to have access to guns. This is the gun control I am supporting.

Democrats have joined the NRA on restricting guns in the hands of the mentally ill. I think that Republicans are also agreeing to support widening mental health care, But Blunt, Ayotte and Rubio haven’t been supportive of mental health care. In fact, they have voted or spoken out against key pieces of legislation designed to help those with mental illnesses, along with over a dozen of their Republican colleagues.
Ralph

Wooster, OH

#17 Jul 29, 2013
I don't think that criminals should steal. Just had another want a be burglar bite the bullet, he is dead now and will not break into another house, Problem solved.
Ralph

Cloudcroft, NM

#18 Jul 29, 2013
guns don't kill people. rednecks with guns do though.

Since: Oct 08

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#19 Jul 29, 2013
Ralph wrote:
guns don't kill people. rednecks with guns do though.
funny you classify all the blacks who kill other blacks in shitcago as rednecks..so black crib=me is now redneck crime..you could be a racist
KN Is Ignorant

Montgomery, AL

#20 Jul 30, 2013
Gorky wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know how many of the mentally ill have access or would have access to guns. Some of the more spectacular killing spree shooters were afterward found to have had mental problems.
I think the mentally ill should not be allowed to have access to guns. This is the gun control I am supporting.
Democrats have joined the NRA on restricting guns in the hands of the mentally ill. I think that Republicans are also agreeing to support widening mental health care, But Blunt, Ayotte and Rubio haven’t been supportive of mental health care. In fact, they have voted or spoken out against key pieces of legislation designed to help those with mental illnesses, along with over a dozen of their Republican colleagues.
Ken, by your own words, the mentally ill should not be allowed to purchase a weapon. Then you list qualifications that determine if someone is mentally ill. By your list, someone that is suffering from either "Anorexia and Bulimia" should also not be allowed to purchase a weapon. Who gets to determine what qualifies as a mental illness? Doctors? The Government? A Scientist? What if a person is listed as mentally ill by your list, but has thier illness symptoms under control through therapy or medication?
I am not in favor of allowing those with a dangerous mental illness the ability to purchase a weapon. It is a fact, that there are already laws on the books that prohibit those with dangerous illnesses from purchasing a weapon.

January 2013

Possession of a firearm by the mentally ill is regulated by both state and federal laws.

Federal Law
Under 18 U.S.C.§ 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”

Now tell me again why we pass laws that do not get enforced, but you want to pass more so they can be ignored as well?

And a final question for this post.
You have said before that one does not need to produce identification to vote because it is a "Right" to vote, and ANY demands for identification is nothing more than an attempt to stop someone from voting.
With that in mind, why are you demanding registration and proof of mental compentance for owning a gun when the 2nd amendment CLEARLY states that it is a right as well?
Why are you ok with one, and not the other. Most would say that voting is far more critical and imporntant than owning a weapon, and has far greater consequences if abused.

Please explain that one.
Ralph

Wooster, OH

#22 Jul 31, 2013
What keeps a mentally ill person from stealing a gun?

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