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Cross-Dressing Teen Sparks Prom Debate In N.J.

There are 99 comments on the Kdka.com story from May 3, 2010, titled Cross-Dressing Teen Sparks Prom Debate In N.J.. In it, Kdka.com reports that:

Share + May 2, 2010 8:30 pm US/Eastern CAPE MAY, N.J. A New Jersey student, who is a cross-dresser, spoke to CBS station KYW-TV about his fight to go to the prom in a knee-length black dress and heels.

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Since: Jul 08

United States

#83 May 5, 2010
Purple Gurl wrote:
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I never said it was. But it is my business when people lie to or act in a way that harms people I support. And it is my business what I think is my business, not yours. There is a huge difference between caring what specific individuals wear and caring about abstract, intellectual principles regarding clothing.
I have the right to be able to identify persons based on their clothing and to have people identify me and those I care about based on ours.
Go ahead, keep embarrassing yourself.
That is not a right that anyone has. You are a control freak.

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#84 May 5, 2010
Yobyag wrote:
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You're being somewhat one sided with this. Just admit that you are a traditionalist where clothing is concerned. Girls wear skirts and men wear pants.
This kid is young him may fell like a woman inside but has not come to a point in his life where he is ready to declare he want to be a woman fully in body as well as in soul. He is taking those first steps towards figuring out who he is.
Why should anyone deny him the opportunity to live as he wishes?
He should have the opportunity do live as he wishes as long as it does not harm others. My point is that either he should fully admit he is a man who likes dresses and not use "feminine," "woman," etc., to describe himself, or she should stop calling herself a cross-dresser, but instead, get her birth defect corrected if possible, take hormones, and get on with life as a normal female. Not sit on the fence in some maladjusted lifestyle and bringing shame/harm to other people.

Everything we do affects how other people are treated. If a handful of openly gay persons started shoplifting, then people might start forming the stereotype that homosexuals are dishonest. But when it comes to gender identity, it gets even worse, when people outside your group do things to earn a bad name for you. Sticking to the stealing example, what if intersexed persons started doing the stealing, and lied saying they were gay? Wouldn't it be your business if you were gay to clarify what it means to be gay and to expose the persons who are harming your community for what they are?

And the above is why the TG community keeps trying to dissolve, infiltrate, and colonize the True-TS (ie., mainstreamist and surgically motivated TSs who are separists in regards to the LGBT) community. See, there is really no place for transgendered persons born with male parts and keeping them, as far as they are concerned. At least in the lesbian community, masculine-acting women are embraced, so the TGs among them do not have to lie and pretend to be TSs nor more manly than they are. The gay male community is not as open and friendly towards effeminate males, since most are manly men doing manly things with other manly men. And likewise in the mainstream community, masculine women are more acceptable than feminine men. Feminism and the lack of a similar men's movement might be partly responsible. And the true-TS women don't want the effeminate men either, nor do they want want manly men in their community. They are simply not men where it matters most (heart, brain-configuration, emotions, soul). They don't hate anyone, but simply want to be with those who have similar motivations, goals, and interests. Non-stop discussions about cross-dressing, LGBT matters, heels, panties, and going clubbing don't really interest the true-TSs. But the TGs see this as snobbishness and exclusiveness and cannot get it that the true-TSs who need the surgery are women and they are not and never will be. And being self-haters, this bothers them deeply and they will either commit violence against TSs, or infiltrate and take over their designated spaces.

Unlike true-TSism, a lot of TGism is based on self-hate, homophobia, trying to be someone else, and trying to deceive others. One archetype of TG dating is the one of 2 homophobic men wanting to have gay sex together. The one dresses as a woman before the sex so he can rationalize that he is a "woman," and therefore not a gay man. All the while they seem oblivious to the fact that if a man has something dangling between his legs and likes it being there, and enjoys sex with another man who has similar parts, that he is gay. Likewise the other homophobic gay man in serious denial chooses to be with a cross-dressed man, rationalizing that it is a "woman" doing it, and that therefore, he isn't gay. So both get their gay sex while side-stepping and ignoring their own homophobia.

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#85 May 5, 2010
liberal weenie wrote:
<quoted text>That is not a right that anyone has. You are a control freak.
Yes it is. It is a right for ALL people to be able to determine the gender of others by their appearance. And it is the right of ALL people to NEVER be asked questions about their gender. If a person wears a dress, the correct pronouns is always she and her. It has nothing to do with vibes or your own personal interpretation of their nature. It is very simple and easy. If a person has earrings in both ears, a feminine hairstyle, and feminine clothes, then obviously they want to be treated as a girl or they would not do it. So oblige them instead of being a control freak and trying to figure out if they are "really" a man or a woman.

I was told about an effeminate gay man who dressed as a woman then wanted to beat people up when they addressed him as a she. That is about like trying to sell a Honda, advertise it as a Mercedes, then get mad when people refuse to buy it. When you act or dress in a way that sets up others to respond a certain way, then it is wrong to get mad when the desired goal is obtained.

Maybe I should keep posting. It seems you are going to work yourself into having an MI. For someone who believes what others do is their own business, you are surely getting worked up over my words. Are you that threatened and insecure?

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#86 May 5, 2010
liberal weenie wrote:
<quoted text>By the way, clicking on links on Topix is a really dumb thing to do. Unless, you want a virus.
The first link is obviously a photo. You cannot catch a virus from a photo.(Maybe a renamed photo or a script on the same page.) You are more likely to get a virus from a pop-up on a site you trust. They get their ads from ad agency sites, and not all of those sites screen their ads.

The second link is clearly on a trusted image-sharing site. Yahoo! owns Flikr, and they don't want their name soiled with viruses.

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#87 May 5, 2010
liberal weenie wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!! You are a busybody. What people choose to wear is only that person's own business. How can the clothing that one chooses to wear affect anyone but the wearer? You have some very strange and wrong ideas. Don't try to act like I do not support the GLBTQ community. I am an ardent and vocal ally of the GLBTQ community. You are the one who wants to put people into little boxes.
But true-TSs are not a part of the LGBTQ community, and it is the LGBT community that is stripping true-TSs of their rights. TSs are mainstream persons with mainstream value who earn their rights by acting and dressing mainstream, while TGs are a type of LGBT person. I support true-TSs without supporting LGBTs nor the harm they cause the people I support. So you admit to supporting the people who harm the people I support.

The more men who dress as women and lie and call themselves TSs or lie and say TSs are a part of the LGBT community, the less rights TS women have. TSs earn their rights by blending in and not being seen. TGs earn theirs by being out and proud. And the actions of TGs harm TSs, since it causes TSs to be outed. In the past, an ugly TS only had to wear women's clothes. Now cross-dressing men have destroyed the meaning of women's clothes, so it is no longer a value in cementing the gender of another in your mind. When a woman is asked if she has a penis, if she is really a man, or gets called gay male slurs, she has cross-dressers to thank for it. If there were no men in dresses, nobody could confuse anyone with such, and there would be no reason to accuse them of such.

Since: Jul 08

United States

#88 May 5, 2010
Purple Gurl wrote:
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Yes it is. It is a right for ALL people to be able to determine the gender of others by their appearance. And it is the right of ALL people to NEVER be asked questions about their gender. If a person wears a dress, the correct pronouns is always she and her. It has nothing to do with vibes or your own personal interpretation of their nature. It is very simple and easy. If a person has earrings in both ears, a feminine hairstyle, and feminine clothes, then obviously they want to be treated as a girl or they would not do it. So oblige them instead of being a control freak and trying to figure out if they are "really" a man or a woman.
I was told about an effeminate gay man who dressed as a woman then wanted to beat people up when they addressed him as a she. That is about like trying to sell a Honda, advertise it as a Mercedes, then get mad when people refuse to buy it. When you act or dress in a way that sets up others to respond a certain way, then it is wrong to get mad when the desired goal is obtained.
Maybe I should keep posting. It seems you are going to work yourself into having an MI. For someone who believes what others do is their own business, you are surely getting worked up over my words. Are you that threatened and insecure?
You are hung up on rights that are not really rights. You are crazy if you think you are working me up. I am really amused by how wrong you are. It is none of your business what clothes people choose to wear. You can type a whole book if you like but that is not going to change the facts. You are wrong when you try to control what other people wear.

Since: Jul 08

United States

#89 May 5, 2010
Purple Gurl wrote:
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The first link is obviously a photo. You cannot catch a virus from a photo.(Maybe a renamed photo or a script on the same page.) You are more likely to get a virus from a pop-up on a site you trust. They get their ads from ad agency sites, and not all of those sites screen their ads.
The second link is clearly on a trusted image-sharing site. Yahoo! owns Flikr, and they don't want their name soiled with viruses.
Websites can be hijacked. Just because it has a trusted name does not mean that is who it is really from. I work technical support for an antivirus company so I think I would know. You can click on all the links you want I am just trying to stop you from getting a virus but knock yourself out. Clearly, you think you know better.

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#90 May 5, 2010
liberal weenie wrote:
<quoted text>You are hung up on rights that are not really rights. You are crazy if you think you are working me up. I am really amused by how wrong you are. It is none of your business what clothes people choose to wear. You can type a whole book if you like but that is not going to change the facts. You are wrong when you try to control what other people wear.
I never said I thought it was. But you will never get it, and I have no reason to keep answering you. Maybe someday a clue will sink into your head, and you will start to see reality rather than your agenda. Good luck, and take care.

Since: Jul 08

United States

#91 May 5, 2010
Purple Gurl wrote:
<quoted text>
I never said I thought it was. But you will never get it, and I have no reason to keep answering you. Maybe someday a clue will sink into your head, and you will start to see reality rather than your agenda. Good luck, and take care.
Whatever, nutjob.

“....VETS”

Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#92 May 5, 2010
liberal weenie wrote:
<quoted text>WTF is this supposed to mean: "yep you proved my point second class for sure" That sentence makes no sense at all. I would stick with Spanish if I were you. You may suck at that as well but at least less people will know about it.
yep you proved my point again ..ty
Scotty

United States

#93 May 5, 2010
I knew a Scot that was in the army and used to wear has MAN DRESS into battle. He played his bagpipe while they were firing machineguns at him and just kept marching. He would poop as he marched and didn't have to stop cause he had no undies underneath. Trouble is the ones marching behind him would scream as they stepped in his dootie piles. I wonder if he even bothered to wipe? When they are in civilian life, they should wear FART FILTERS OR TURD CUTTERS-MAN THONGS under their dress so you can't see their weeners when the wind blows their dress over their head.

“Let her cry, for she's a Lady”

Since: Apr 08

Let her dream, she's a Child

#94 May 5, 2010
All the world's a stage...

Shakespearean plays (when he was alive, for example)do keep in mind, women were not allowed on stage... so it was males dressing as women (Romeo and Juliet takes on new meaning, now, no?) on the stage. It has gone on, since then. It matters not what is on the body, hell, at least they have clothes on. Just a thought.

If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended,
That you have but slumber'd here
While these visions did appear.
And this weak and idle theme,
No more yielding but a dream,
Gentles, do not reprehend:
if you pardon, we will mend:
And, as I am an honest Puck,
If we have unearned luck
Now to 'scape the serpent's tongue,
We will make amends ere long;
Else the Puck a liar call;
So, good night unto you all.
Give me your hands, if we be friends,
And Robin shall restore amends.
Puck- A Midsummer Night's Dream

Cherish Your Loved Ones
Scotty

United States

#95 May 7, 2010
I trained with her majesty's highlanders. This was a very elete unit. We wore MAN DRESSES IN TO BATTLE AND WENT COMMANDO.

“....VETS”

Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#96 May 7, 2010
elite?? aren't they commandos ???
keri

Leonia, NJ

#97 May 14, 2010
Maybe he just likes girl's clothes. How is it anyone's business other than his own what he wears. He doesn't have to be a transsexual. He might just be a cross dresser and what is wrong with that?

“....VETS”

Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#98 May 14, 2010
keri wrote:
Maybe he just likes girl's clothes. How is it anyone's business other than his own what he wears. He doesn't have to be a transsexual. He might just be a cross dresser and what is wrong with that?
nothing strange at all in the rest rooms , just what a normal child needs a little sex .....
geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#99 May 14, 2010

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#100 May 14, 2010
keri wrote:
Maybe he just likes girl's clothes. How is it anyone's business other than his own what he wears. He doesn't have to be a transsexual. He might just be a cross dresser and what is wrong with that?
Yes, this could be true. But he said he has a woman inside. If he wants to keep his parts and use them as a man would, that would be a lie. That is my point, the inconsistencies in his words. If he was truly a woman inside, she would not degrade herself by calling herself a cross-dressing man. And if he as even half a man, he would not be trying to make up excuses for his behavior.

And yes, when a man chooses to wear women's clothes, it is a slap in the face and an insult to women. Wearing women's clothes is another way for a man to rape or otherwise degrade a woman. It is stealing women's special place in society (sort of like feminism did to men), and cheapening what it means to be a woman. In the past transsexuals and ugly women have been assumed to be that, ugly women. Now, because of all the men wearing women's clothes for non-therapeutic (for sexual fetishes, recreation, and rebellious reasons) reasons while lying and calling themselves women, people go around asking people what genitals they have, and it isn't their business. True-TSs have the suffer the consequences and harm to society caused by the cross-dressed men, particularly the ones who refuse to admit that is what they are.

There is yet another way in which cross-dressers harm true-transsexuals (the ones that are not transgendered and not a part of the LGBT in any way, who have mainstream values, and who have a need for surgery). These men cannot understand that true-transsexuals are women and they are not. Putting on dress does not make you a woman. Even having sex with men does not make you a woman. Unlike the cross-dressing man who is born with a male brain and male genitals, and who enjoys sex in the manner and to the extreme that most men do, a true-transsexual woman is born with a female brain, a female type of sex drive (if she has one at all, since quite a few true-TSs refuse sex), and the reason she wears female clothing is not for sexual pleasure or any type of fun. It is simply to be normal and to be accepted 100% as a born female, and without any of the TG/LGBT baggage that cross-dressers and homosexuals have created. Just to destroy all their differences and blend into normal society as is their birthright.

If guys want to wear women's clothing, that is their right, but it certainly undermines the struggle of True-TSs to be regarded 100% the same as born female women who are not part of the TG and/or LGBT communities in any way. And it confuses people into thinking cross-dressing men and other LGBT members are the same as those with the birth defect of true-TSism who also have mainstream (non-LGBT/TG) values. Some of that is intentional by only a handful of LGBT/TG leaders who don't care who they hurt as long as they get money and power. That is the same type of unscrupulous tactics that some used to exploit people with AIDS to rise to the top and gain political clout. And yes, the same type of thing can be said about a few conservatives who also care only about money and power. I could name a few of the harmful TG leaders who want to destroy any TS-only or TS and mainstream community that keeps popping up, because they see it as undermining their community and its validity, all because of self-esteem issues on their parts. They would do better to cut the TSs loose to fiend for themselves and get out of their way and leave them alone, rather than infiltrating and colonizing every TS-only group. And their self-hate keeps them from admitting to themselves that they are not women, but that true-TSs are.
IGAVEU

Since: Dec 09

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#102 May 28, 2010
I love to bed boys that wear dresss.They feel hard ,tight and make good sax.I like them best poor, bare foot country gurl.

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