The Reality of Race is that White peo...

The Reality of Race is that White people don't know...or they don't care

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Jeff Davis

Campbell, MO

#1 Nov 15, 2012
http://www.alternet.org/story/56837/the_reali...

The Reality of Race: Is the Problem That White People Don't Know or Don't Care?
A recent study exploring white peoples' understanding of the black experience in America reveals that whites still drastically underestimate the cost of being black because they don't want to know or can't face the consequences.
July 13, 2007 |


"Study shows that white people are mean and uncaring"

That would have been my headline for a recent story from Diverse: Issues in Higher Education , which was reprinted on AlterNet, and reported an Ohio State University study of white people's understanding of the black experience (AlterNet's headline was "Whites Just Don't Understand the Black Experience"). Curiously, the psychologists who conducted the research spun the data in exactly the opposite direction, and the conflicting interpretations tell us much about race relations in the United States.

The researchers found that whites more accurately assessed the burden of discrimination borne by a hypothetical minority group in a fictional country than they did in the specific case of black people's experience in the contemporary United States. In the hypothetical, whites estimated that the minority group members (described in the same terms as black Americans) deserved $1 million in compensation, but when presented with the question in the context of black Americans, the median estimate was $10,000.

That result was not surprising, but I was taken aback by the conclusion one of the researchers drew:

"Our data suggest that such resistance is not because White Americans are mean and uncaring, morally bankrupt or ethically flawed. White Americans suffer from a glaring ignorance about what it means to live as a Black American."

I think the data -- along with all my experience both as a white person and someone who writes about white supremacy -- suggests exactly the opposite:
dood

Saint Louis, MO

#2 Nov 15, 2012
Don't care.
:)

Jackson, MO

#3 Nov 15, 2012
Jeff Davis wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/story/ 56837/the_reality_of_race%3A_i s_the_problem_that_white_peopl e_don%27t_know_or_don%27t_care

The Reality of Race: Is the Problem That White People Don't Know or Don't Care?
A recent study exploring white peoples' understanding of the black experience in America reveals that whites still drastically underestimate the cost of being black because they don't want to know or can't face the consequences.
July 13, 2007 |


"Study shows that white people are mean and uncaring"

That would have been my headline for a recent story from Diverse: Issues in Higher Education , which was reprinted on AlterNet, and reported an Ohio State University study of white people's understanding of the black experience (AlterNet's headline was "Whites Just Don't Understand the Black Experience"). Curiously, the psychologists who conducted the research spun the data in exactly the opposite direction, and the conflicting interpretations tell us much about race relations in the United States.

The researchers found that whites more accurately assessed the burden of discrimination borne by a hypothetical minority group in a fictional country than they did in the specific case of black people's experience in the contemporary United States. In the hypothetical, whites estimated that the minority group members (described in the same terms as black Americans) deserved $1 million in compensation, but when presented with the question in the context of black Americans, the median estimate was $10,000.

That result was not surprising, but I was taken aback by the conclusion one of the researchers drew:

"Our data suggest that such resistance is not because White Americans are mean and uncaring, morally bankrupt or ethically flawed. White Americans suffer from a glaring ignorance about what it means to live as a Black American."

I think the data -- along with all my experience both as a white person and someone who writes about white supremacy -- suggests exactly the opposite:
Compensation? For what?
Jeff Davis

Campbell, MO

#4 Nov 16, 2012
[QUOTE who=":)"]<quoted text>
Compensation? For what?[/QUOTE]

Compensation that you would demand if your family had been treated this way for ten generations!
http://reparationsthecure.org/Articles/Fardan...
pump

Saint Louis, MO

#5 Nov 16, 2012
You get compensation in the form of food stamps, free money, section 8 housing and the race card. What is left?
ur living in the past

United States

#6 Nov 16, 2012
How are we supose to move forward when there are still people living in the past and caring their hate for the past into the future? It was generations ago, its in the past why bring it up? You want the "whites" to treat them fairly, but still you are in the past. And yes and "pump" stated above they are getting "compensated" with all the free handouts they get. Just because those things have happened to their ancestors doesn't mean they directly should be compensated. They use this as an excuse to play the race card, and to get the "entitlements" they think are owed to them. We do not owe them anything. They are the ones that need to accept the past as just that, the past and do things themselves and stop counting on others to get them what they want.
Jeff Davis

Campbell, MO

#7 Nov 16, 2012
ur living in the past wrote:
How are we supose to move forward when there are still people living in the past and caring their hate for the past into the future? It was generations ago, its in the past why bring it up? You want the "whites" to treat them fairly, but still you are in the past. And yes and "pump" stated above they are getting "compensated" with all the free handouts they get. Just because those things have happened to their ancestors doesn't mean they directly should be compensated. They use this as an excuse to play the race card, and to get the "entitlements" they think are owed to them. We do not owe them anything. They are the ones that need to accept the past as just that, the past and do things themselves and stop counting on others to get them what they want.
Isn't that what all you White folks are doing when you constantly want to remember the Confedracy, and the good ole Southern days? No Black person here had anything to do with that and we aren't interested in hearing about it.

So when you stop praising the old South, we will stop talking about what your ancestors did to us for more than 200 years.

Then we can talk about what you all owe us for the extreme hatred MOST of you all harbor towards us in the 20th and 21st century, which is right now.:-) Right?
ur living in the past

United States

#8 Nov 16, 2012
So you are going to put all the whites in the same boat just because of a few 'bad' ones? We aren't the ones that call the race card and want the entitlements that the government has to offer. Just because our ancestors treated your ancestors bad doesn't mean you can draw the entitlements the rest of your life. At some point the entitlments will run out and then what will you do?
Grand Wizard

Cape Girardeau, MO

#9 Nov 16, 2012
Don't live off my tax money and expect any other handouts from me. Anyone who sponges off me, black, white, yellow, brown or plaid and refuses to lift a finger to help themselves gets nothing else but my deep and unrepentant contempt.

Go to HELL, parasite class
Music Lover

Tulsa, OK

#10 Nov 16, 2012
Folks, please don't feed the troll.
Real

Des Moines, IA

#11 Nov 16, 2012
ur living in the past wrote:
So you are going to put all the whites in the same boat just because of a few 'bad' ones? We aren't the ones that call the race card and want the entitlements that the government has to offer. Just because our ancestors treated your ancestors bad doesn't mean you can draw the entitlements the rest of your life. At some point the entitlments will run out and then what will you do?
White 36%
Black 22%
Hispanic 11%

"Welfare" recipient national percentages..
Go look in your "past",you will notice that once this "Charity "took flight,there has always been more white people benefitting. Prove us colored folk wrong. When infact,Welfare is deemed a "BLACK"issue right?!

Rise above what you have been told to be true and research the truth for urself.

I cant understand the lack of effort as a whole by anti black white american people. Superior by no means especially when other educated pro human white people are doing all these studies.

You sound very little,minded. Be better than u are
Real

Des Moines, IA

#12 Nov 16, 2012
Grand Wizard wrote:
Don't live off my tax money and expect any other handouts from me. Anyone who sponges off me, black, white, yellow, brown or plaid and refuses to lift a finger to help themselves gets nothing else but my deep and unrepentant contempt.
Go to HELL, parasite class
Agreed
intelligence

United States

#13 Nov 17, 2012
Real wrote:
<quoted text>White 36%
Black 22%
Hispanic 11%

"Welfare" recipient national percentages..
Go look in your "past",you will notice that once this "Charity "took flight,there has always been more white people benefitting. Prove us colored folk wrong. When infact,Welfare is deemed a "BLACK"issue right?!

Rise above what you have been told to be true and research the truth for urself.

I cant understand the lack of effort as a whole by anti black white american people. Superior by no means especially when other educated pro human white people are doing all these studies.

You sound very little,minded. Be better than u are
white 79.96%, black 12.85%, Asian 4.43%, Amerindian and Alaska native 0.97%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.18%, two or more races 1.61%(July 2007 estimate)
note: a separate listing for Hispanic is not included because the US Census Bureau considers Hispanic to mean persons of Spanish/Hispanic/Latino origin including those of Mexican, Cuban, Puerto Rican, Dominican Republic, Spanish, and Central or South American origin living in the US who may be of any race or ethnic group (white, black, Asian, etc.); about 15.1% of the total US population is Hispanichttp://www.indexmundi. com/united_states/demographics _profile.htmlso help me understand this.black people make up 13% of the population yet receive 22% of the welfare benefits, while white people make up 80 % of the population and receive 36% of the welfare benefits. The math shows a huge discrepancy in what you are saying. If whites were at 13% of the population it would be 6.5% of the welfare benefits. If blacks were at 80% of the population it would be over 100% of the welfare benefits. Problem is if there was only 12% of the population working and since taxes pay for welfare, no one would be getting anything.
simon

Saint Louis, MO

#14 Nov 17, 2012
Black workers are more likely to be employed in the public sector than are either their white or Hispanic counterparts. In 2011, nearly 20 percent of employed Blacks worked for state, local, or federal government compared to 14.2 percent of Whites and 10.4 percent of Hispanics. Blacks are less likely than Hispanics and nearly as likely as Whites to work in the private sector, not including the self-employed.6 Few Blacks are self-employed — only 3.8 percent reported being self-employed in 2011 — making them almost half as likely to be self-employed as Whites (7.2 percent).
The average unemployment rate for Blacks in 2011 was 15.8 percent, compared to 7.9 percent for Whites, and 11.5 percent for Hispanics. Historically, Blacks have had persistently higher unemployment rates than the other major racial and ethnic groups. In addition, the increase in the black unemployment rate during the recession was larger than that for other races partly because workers with less education are particularly hard hit during recessions. Moreover, the unemployment rate for Blacks was slower to fall after the official end of the recession. The slower recovery for African Americans in the labor market has been partly the result of government layoffs after the official end of the recession. Blacks have been more vulnerable to the drastic layoffs in government in the past two years because they make up a disproportionate share of public sector workers. Moreover, with the exception of health and education, Blacks are under-represented in the sectors that have experienced the greatest job growth during the recovery, including manufacturing and professional and business services.
Real

Highlandville, MO

#15 Nov 17, 2012
Lmfao..thanks for cleaning up the possibilities
ralph

Saint Louis, MO

#16 Nov 17, 2012
Do not forget a large percentage of the white people are entitled white women with mixed kids.
Real

Highlandville, MO

#17 Nov 17, 2012
White is "white",is it not? Oooo, i understand now...So when you look at the facts,be it numbers or factual literature, lots of you seperate and or degrade even your own.

Thats lame,in fact it's a muthfukin shame. Thats alright tho,i have more respect for the "entitled ""white"woman with mixed kids than someone like you. She's "Real" by my standards.

Anti Humans think like this,"well,im not that type white/black person",its them not me..lol
Clinton Bigsby

Cape Girardeau, MO

#18 Nov 17, 2012
When you present REAL facts, Knowledge cant handle it. He seems to be able to purport only stats that he either invents himself, or by other small minded, tiny brained, bigots with an inferiority complex who cant figure out how percentages work,like himself.
Real

Highlandville, MO

#19 Nov 17, 2012
And if i crossed two or more lunar beams with my piss dust,the sight would be spectacular wouldn't it!lol

Just shooting random numbers and "if's", make u look like bottom shelf cereal. Its good,almost there,but your just not it..smh

Picture me Rollin
will

Saint Louis, MO

#20 Nov 17, 2012
That's it in a nut shell. White people do degrade there own. Hard working people don't want to support people that feel entitled. We have to work hard to put food on our tables and if times are tough we have to do without. No free handouts for a person that works but have trouble making ends meet, can't qualify for help even though I pay my taxes every 2 weeks because the system is abused and used by entitled people. We don't want to support the white trash any more than the ghetto blacks. It's being able to see the difference and not make excuses and blame other people for the low life's, that don't mind being a siphon on society. No man is equal, some people are better than others. If I get up everyday and go to work to get a check that puts a roof over my family's head and food on the table, I am better than the man that lays up in one of his baby mammas HUD house eating steaks, that the 900$ food stamps pay for because she's got 4 kids and no income because not one of the 4 dads pay child support, and drinking beer and playing the Xbox all day. If everyone was equal then everyone would be president and doctors and lawyers. Some people are smarter some stronger some just luckier. Everyone is supposed to be different, an individual. If your lot in life sucks, it will never get better by blaming other people or an entire ethnic group. It will never get better by holding your hand out for free anything. It can only get better if you man up an make it happen on your own.
If you respect a woman that gets pregnant by men that aren't willing to help to support and raise the children she has, then its easy to tell what kind of person you are and what kind of person you will never be. I pity the women for their low self esteem and bad judgement in men. I detest the men who thinks they are smooth cause they can use a bunch of women and father a bunch of kids that have no dad. I feel sadness for the child for having to live in poverty because their parents felt they should get everything for doing nothing. Sadly the child will probably grow up to become like their parents and become future drains on society. So think you're cool and hip all you want, nobody else sees you that way.

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