why are Christians against gays

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Since: Jun 10

Saint Louis, MO

#1 Mar 14, 2012
http://commonsenseatheism.com/...

After reading these stories in the bible that support rape, murder, torture, and all sorts of evil, why do people ignore these crazy old testament stories, but firmly hold on to the gay bashing ones? People use the story of Saddam and Gomorrah, but leave out the part where God instructs Lot to offer his prepubescent daughters to be passed around and raped, but those evil gay men refused and continued being gay. Someone please find a way to rationally explain this to me.

Since: Jan 09

Jackson, MO

#2 Mar 14, 2012
meme26 wrote:
Someone please find a way to rationally explain this to me.
Rationally... bugger of a word for TOPIX.
4truth

United States

#3 Mar 14, 2012
Where exactly in the bible does it condone the things you mentioned? BTW God did NOT instruct Lot to send his daughters out, he did it himself.

Christians, if they are true Christians and follow the Bible, love ALL people. We are all sinful and unworthy in the sight of God, and shouldn't judge one another. However, that said, we do not condone the gay lifestyle because it is against Christian principles. Like the saying,'love the sinner hate the sin'. I do realise that not all christians follow this principle and are very hate-filled, just as some gays are intolorant and hateful towards christians. Sad to think of all the hate :(
Fried Pepsi

Jackson, MO

#4 Mar 14, 2012
I'm gay and a Christian, and I cannot figure out why other "Christians" are do against my lifestyle.
Fried Pepsi

Jackson, MO

#5 Mar 14, 2012
Fried Pepsi wrote:
I'm gay and a Christian, and I cannot figure out why other "Christians" are do against my lifestyle.
"so" not "do"

Since: Jun 10

Saint Louis, MO

#6 Mar 14, 2012
4truth wrote:
Where exactly in the bible does it condone the things you mentioned? BTW God did NOT instruct Lot to send his daughters out, he did it himself.
Christians, if they are true Christians and follow the Bible, love ALL people. We are all sinful and unworthy in the sight of God, and shouldn't judge one another. However, that said, we do not condone the gay lifestyle because it is against Christian principles. Like the saying,'love the sinner hate the sin'. I do realise that not all christians follow this principle and are very hate-filled, just as some gays are intolorant and hateful towards christians. Sad to think of all the hate :(
Did you not click on the link? Or did you and refuse to acknowledge it. Please click on the link, top twenty evil stories in the bible. God threatens to force a man to eat his children, God kills the first born because of their king, God condones rape in several cases, God gives a man the strength to kill and mutilate because he lost a bet. It's all there, I've checked, and it's all in the bible. Please explain to me why you do not take any of this literally but you choose to take the verses on homosexuality literal? If you stand so strongly in your belief, please acknowledge these verses, and explain why you look past them, but abide by the gay hating ones. I didn't say a word about hateful Christians, loving all people, any of that. Just so we're clear, my question is....Why do people ignore the evil and disgusting stories in the Bible, but firmly support the parts against homosexuality?
Former Christian

Cape Girardeau, MO

#7 Mar 14, 2012
4 Truth: Have you read the Old Testament? Deuteronomy 20:10-14 pretty much covers God's endorsement of the rape, murder, torture, and all sorts of evil.

Since: Jun 10

Saint Louis, MO

#8 Mar 14, 2012
Fried Pepsi wrote:
I'm gay and a Christian, and I cannot figure out why other "Christians" are do against my lifestyle.
I'm not gay, but that's not a decision I made. I didn't wake up one day and say, "hmmm, do I wanna be attracted to boobs or balls? I think I'll go with balls. Yup, balls it is!" lol (I'm not attracted to balls at all, but you get the point.)
Former Christian

Cape Girardeau, MO

#9 Mar 14, 2012
Deuteronomy 20:10-14 NIV
10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
Boo

Saint Louis, MO

#10 Mar 14, 2012
meme26 wrote:
http://commonsenseatheism.com/ ?p=21
After reading these stories in the bible that support rape, murder, torture, and all sorts of evil, why do people ignore these crazy old testament stories, but firmly hold on to the gay bashing ones? People use the story of Saddam and Gomorrah, but leave out the part where God instructs Lot to offer his prepubescent daughters to be passed around and raped, but those evil gay men refused and continued being gay. Someone please find a way to rationally explain this to me.
A great many of the rules and regulations in the old testament have to do with segregating the Jewish people from the customs of the people who were in power. Pork was a pre coin currency and the banning of its use secularized the Jewish people from business transactions with other cultures. Homosexuality, particularly male homosexuality, was rampant within other cultures at the time. This would be the reason that it figures so prominently within the old testament.

If you want to know why people are so eager to quote the old testament without knowing the history or purpose of the scriptures they are touting, I would assume that it is much the same reason that those stories were created and believed in the first place. In general, people tend to be lazy and easily manipulated. Many Christians have no idea of their own history... Indeed, many don't even have any idea of their own religious origins or even what the term christian even means.

The only reason to even care what that ignorant of itself portion of Christians think is because of their sheer numbers. There is no way to stop magical thinking in most... It is too ingrained into their subconscious. The best you can do is ignore it and try to educate the few who still have the ability to listen and learn.

Since: Jun 10

Saint Louis, MO

#11 Mar 14, 2012
1. God drowns the whole earth.
In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.

2. God kills half a million people.
In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.

3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn.
In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.

4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them.
In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.

5. Genocide after genocide after genocide.
In Joshua 6:20-21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing “men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.” In Deuteronomy 2:32-35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. In Deuteronomy 3:3-7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan. In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. In 1 Samuel 15:1-9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites – men, women, children, infants, and their cattle – for something the Amalekites’ ancestors had done 400 years earlier.

6. God kills 50,000 people for curiosity.
In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant.(Newer cosmetic translations count only 70 deaths, but their text notes admit that the best and earliest manuscripts put the number at 50,070.)

7. 3,000 Israelites killed for inventing a god.
In Exodus 32, Moses has climbed Mount Sinai to get the Ten Commandments. The Israelites are bored, so they invent a golden calf god. Moses comes back and God commands him:“Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.” About 3,000 people died.

8. The Amorites destroyed by sword and by God’s rocks.
In Joshua 10:10-11, God helps the Israelites slaughter the Amorites by sword, then finishes them off with rocks from the sky.

9. God burns two cities to death.
In Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot’s wife for looking back at her burning home.

10. God has 42 children mauled by bears.
In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them.(Newer cosmetic translations say the bears “maul” the children, but the original Hebrew, baqa, means “to tear apart.”)

Since: Jun 10

Saint Louis, MO

#12 Mar 14, 2012
11. A tribe slaughtered and their virgins raped for not showing up at roll call.
In Judges 21:1-23, a tribe of Israelites misses roll call, so the other Israelites kill them all except for the virgins, which they take for themselves. Still not happy, they hide in vineyards and pounce on dancing women from Shiloh to take them for themselves.

12. 3,000 crushed to death.
In Judges 16:27-30, God gives Samson strength to bring down a building to crush 3,000 members of a rival tribe.

13. A concubine raped and dismembered.
In Judges 19:22-29, a mob demands to rape a godly master’s guest. The master offers his daughter and a concubine to them instead. They take the concubine and gang-rape her all night. The master finds her on his doorstep in the morning, cuts her into 12 pieces, and ships the pieces around the country.

14. Child sacrifice.
In Judges 11:30-39, Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God’s favor in killing the Ammonites.

15. God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet.
In Judges 14:11-19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.

16. God demands you kill your wife and children for worshiping other gods.
In Deuteronomy 13:6-10, God commands that you must kill your wife, children, brother, and friend if they worship other gods.

17. God incinerates 51 men to make a point.
In 2 Kings 1:9-10, Elijah gets God to burn 51 men with fire from heaven to prove he is God.

18. God kills a man for not impregnating his brother’s widow.
In Genesis 38:9-10, God kills a man for refusing to impregnate his brother’s widow.

19. God threatens forced cannibalism.
In Leviticus 26:27-29 and Jeremiah 19:9, God threatens to punish the Israelites by making them eat their own children.

20. The coming slaughter.
According to Revelation 9:7-19, God’s got more evil coming. God will make horse-like locusts with human heads and scorpion tails, who torture people for 5 months. Then some angels will kill a third of the earth’s population. If he came today, that would be 2 billion people.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#13 Mar 14, 2012
Christianity is the laughing stock of all religions anyway.

Since: Jun 10

Saint Louis, MO

#14 Mar 14, 2012
Boo wrote:
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A great many of the rules and regulations in the old testament have to do with segregating the Jewish people from the customs of the people who were in power. Pork was a pre coin currency and the banning of its use secularized the Jewish people from business transactions with other cultures. Homosexuality, particularly male homosexuality, was rampant within other cultures at the time. This would be the reason that it figures so prominently within the old testament.
If you want to know why people are so eager to quote the old testament without knowing the history or purpose of the scriptures they are touting, I would assume that it is much the same reason that those stories were created and believed in the first place. In general, people tend to be lazy and easily manipulated. Many Christians have no idea of their own history... Indeed, many don't even have any idea of their own religious origins or even what the term christian even means.
The only reason to even care what that ignorant of itself portion of Christians think is because of their sheer numbers. There is no way to stop magical thinking in most... It is too ingrained into their subconscious. The best you can do is ignore it and try to educate the few who still have the ability to listen and learn.
I used to be like the people you just described. It was learning the history behind Christmas, confronting my pastor, and finding out he already knew, but continued to teach otherwise, that lead me down a quest for answers. Haven't found any answers, actually, I keep finding more questions, but it is an enlightening experience. I first started to question Christianity after tried to "reach" my atheist friend. I was so stubborn, and came up with a made up rebuttal for every argument he made. Then he said, please, just listen to what I'm saying for a second instead of thinking of arguments. When I did that, the same arguments I had heard my whole life against Christianity suddenly made a lot of sense.
Former Christian

Cape Girardeau, MO

#15 Mar 14, 2012
There is a great deal of research that suggests homosexuality is genetic. Animals other than humans engage in homosexual behavior, and the frequency of homosexuality for both humans and other mammals is directly correlated with population density. This would suggest homosexuality is a biological mechanism for preventing overpopulation.

It seems a bit ignorant to assume that homosexuality is a choice, and if it is not a choice, how could you condemn someone for it?

Since: Mar 12

Kingsland, GA

#16 Mar 14, 2012
meme26 wrote:
http://commonsenseatheism.com/ ?p=21
After reading these stories in the bible that support rape, murder, torture, and all sorts of evil, why do people ignore these crazy old testament stories, but firmly hold on to the gay bashing ones? People use the story of Saddam and Gomorrah, but leave out the part where God instructs Lot to offer his prepubescent daughters to be passed around and raped, but those evil gay men refused and continued being gay. Someone please find a way to rationally explain this to me.
People fail to realize that the bible is very old and maybe everything in it should not be in stone. For example women should not be allowed to wear pants, they should HAVE to wear skirts. People cannot work on sundays. Sex before marriage is another one. Those are considered sins. And most people have done one of these things at some point. Are we all going to hell? I don't think so. Whos up their, just god and old yeller? That last part is for the lolz.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#17 Mar 14, 2012
meme26 wrote:
<quoted text>I used to be like the people you just described. It was learning the history behind Christmas, confronting my pastor, and finding out he already knew, but continued to teach otherwise, that lead me down a quest for answers. Haven't found any answers, actually, I keep finding more questions, but it is an enlightening experience. I first started to question Christianity after tried to "reach" my atheist friend. I was so stubborn, and came up with a made up rebuttal for every argument he made. Then he said, please, just listen to what I'm saying for a second instead of thinking of arguments. When I did that, the same arguments I had heard my whole life against Christianity suddenly made a lot of sense.
Sounds like my attitude.
Boo

United States

#18 Mar 14, 2012
It's interesting that most who eventually question their religion seem to always be altruistic in nature. These are the people who make the best religious leaders, yet the execution of belief systems ensures that those people will never be in charge. In some sense, Christianity is a lot like public school. It's dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. This seems to create a system where the best and brightest (or in the case of religion) the most ethical and caring are completely unserved and in many cases, completely turned away.

Since: Jun 10

United States

#19 Mar 14, 2012
Boo, that is so true! People are considered to have weak faith if they question anything. In fact, my prediction is this thread will grow huge, but no one who disagrees with it will directly address the original question, regardless of how clear and repetitive I made it. Come on, somebody, anybody, how do you determine what to take literally in the bible?

Since: Jan 09

Jackson, MO

#20 Mar 14, 2012
meme26 wrote:
Come on, somebody, anybody, how do you determine what to take literally in the bible?
Very simple.. You don't take anything in the bible literally.

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