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Cozy in Capac

Gagetown, MI

#1 Sep 6, 2012
Well, I walked into a "heated" atmosphere. I came in late, they were in the midst of discussing scrapping the whole thing.
"Well, Council just asked us to look into it. We don't NEED to do anything, just say we looked into it and say we already have a sufficient ordinance that covers this issue. No chickens allowed.".
I said "After all these months and all this work, your scrapping it?"
The reply: "We don't need to do this, as the paper points out, many communities don't allow them."
I said "According to General Village Code, your supposed to follow the communities wishes, and I handed you a petition with 40 signatures on it.".
At which point I was told that Public Comment was over and I was not allowed to say another word.
Pete spoke up in the Chickens favor. Pete, Sam and Chris looked very puzzled.
They went ahead corrected some issues in the draft, mostly grammar.
Draft will go to council for public hearing.
Not with out a nice little show. Which amounted to a hunt on Pete. They (Mostly a particular lady.) proceeded to tell Pete that they didn't think he was a good fit for planning commission. Because at council he brought up that he did not agree with the way they were going in not allowing people to sell eggs.
They said he was not doing a good job representing them. He apologized. They sort of dropped it with smirks on their faces.
He said he finds it ironic that you want to prevent the selling of eggs, when a man comes into the Village Offices every week to sell his eggs to them. "If your issue is that by residents selling eggs, your taking away profits from other places that sell eggs, well why is that ok?".
They said well if a resident wants to sell eggs to their neighbors, we can't prevent that.
(Which is the OPPOSITE of what they've been saying all along, I can't tell you how many times I've been asked point blank, are you going to sell eggs??!)
Also the way the wrote the ordinance might possibly keep me from having chickens, because I'm on a corner, basically my whole backyard is a "Front yard". Which ever area faces the road is a front yard.
When Samantha was speaking up, she was told "What are you his little sister?! We're speaking to Pete!".
What a disgrace.
How unwelcoming to the families here.
I know this Chicken Issue is getting old, heck I'm tired of talking about it too.
But it's a great example of the complete dysfunction here and an example of the fact that they are accountable to no one!!!!
Do we want a vibrant, happy, live town? Let's get things in order.
The decorum of this meeting was appalling and this was tame compared to the last one.
I was going to keep quiet about this stuff, but I'm not keeping my mouth shut anymore. This isn't just about chickens anymore.
I am begging people to get involved with anything they can here. They do what they want because without community involvement, they are accountable to no one.
We seem to be on the evening news every few months for something terrible. I hope the winds are changing and we can save this place.
SAVE CAPAC!
Capac Resident

United States

#2 Sep 6, 2012
Cozy, sorry to hear that things went so wrong at the meeting, but it is par for the course, with these people, that are currently on the Village Council.

This is what Capac has been going through for years, with the current leadership, I can see this town folding very soon.

These people should hang their heads in shame for treating the village citizens with such disrespect.

How very rude!
Cozy in Capac

Gagetown, MI

#3 Sep 6, 2012
I am in complete agreement! To clairfy, this was Planning...
Frustrated capacian

South Lyon, MI

#4 Sep 7, 2012
How many times do I have to yell from the mountain tops, the planning commission is and still is the wrong place to address the chicken issue. The issue is a village council issue as a general village ordinance not a planning issue. I feel for you, the planning commission lacks strong leadership just like council. Let's face facts, klug is a coward in my opinion, when it comes to issues of the village he just can't handle. Good luck with council now seeing how planning is punting the issue bact from where it came.
Ron

Utica, MI

#5 Sep 7, 2012
In this town you are either a bully or bullied. Or part of the third class that sits with a beer and drool on their chin and are not capable of keeping their own house in order much less a village. Honestly, if I were you I would take my chickens and leave my house to the bank. You will not have to go far to find a place that welcomes citizens like you. Just buy a new house before you dump the old one.
jenny

United States

#6 Sep 7, 2012
is that how it works??? I want to dump this home too i paid 139,000 and now my taxes say the home is assessed for 58,000 so 116,000 value??? I am underwater and wish to leave this place but dont know how.....
sorry cozy

Westland, MI

#7 Sep 7, 2012
Don't think chickens belong in town. Too dirty. Its cheaper in the township. Why did you get a house in town if you wanted chickens?
resident in capac

Gagetown, MI

#8 Sep 7, 2012
Cozy, to bad you came in late...maybe you would of gotten your facts straight ...guess we only hear what we to.
With Pete it wasn`t the egg issue...Point missed.
Cozy in Capac

Gagetown, MI

#9 Sep 7, 2012
I know what I saw. I know what I heard. End of story. I was only a few minutes behind, and that's what I walked into. The whole thing was disgraceful.
resident in capac

Gagetown, MI

#10 Sep 7, 2012
Cozy in Capac wrote:
I know what I saw. I know what I heard. End of story. I was only a few minutes behind, and that's what I walked into. The whole thing was disgraceful.
Maybe, but public hearing will be at planning.
Cozy in Capac

Gagetown, MI

#11 Sep 8, 2012
Yeah, that's the problem.
I'm starting to see what everyone here is saying. No one really knows how this is supposed to work. And there is little reguard for general village law, which dictates decorm.
Also the whole "bully" or "bullied" thing stated above seems to make perfect sense as well. Yuck.
justsaying

United States

#12 Sep 8, 2012
This is for you, "resident in capac", I think that Cozy has her facts straight, she has put a lot of time and effort into this project. You should not belittle her,you sound like a self righteous pompous ass.

If she came in a few minutes late, give me a break, there is such a thing as common decency, and I do not think that the current village council understands the meaning of that.

Cozy is relating to us what she heard,the council told her that they DO NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING, kinda funny isn't it, that seems to be what they do best. A bunch of nothing!

Cozy has hit the nail right smack on the head, dysfunction, disgrace and no accountability to the citizens of the Village of Capac.

Frustrated Capacian has it right, this is not a planning issue, it is a village issue.

How can they get that mixed up.

This behavior is atrocious. The rude comment to Samantha, and being disrespectful to Pete, what gives Capac Village Council. Be right for a change.
to say

Gagetown, MI

#13 Sep 8, 2012
justsaying wrote:
This is for you, "resident in capac", I think that Cozy has her facts straight, she has put a lot of time and effort into this project. You should not belittle her,you sound like a self righteous pompous ass.
If she came in a few minutes late, give me a break, there is such a thing as common decency, and I do not think that the current village council understands the meaning of that.
Cozy is relating to us what she heard,the council told her that they DO NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING, kinda funny isn't it, that seems to be what they do best. A bunch of nothing!leing
Cozy has hit the nail right smack on the head, dysfunction, disgrace and no accountability to the citizens of the Village of Capac.
Frustrated Capacian has it right, this is not a planning issue, it is a village issue.
How can they get that mixed up.
This behavior is atrocious. The rude comment to Samantha, and being disrespectful to Pete, what gives Capac Village Council. Be right for a change.
l was not putting her down...sometime the beginning of a conversation changes the meaning of the whole issue, thats all i was trying to say. She is very passionate about her issue...to bad know one comes to meeting just to see what is going on..only when they have a problem (this is not directed at cozy the public in general.
Ron

Utica, MI

#14 Sep 8, 2012
jenny wrote:
is that how it works??? I want to dump this home too i paid 139,000 and now my taxes say the home is assessed for 58,000 so 116,000 value??? I am underwater and wish to leave this place but dont know how.....
Yes, go here and start reading......

http://www.zillow.com/blog/2011-10-04/buy-and...
Ron

Utica, MI

#15 Sep 8, 2012
Cozy in Capac wrote:
Yeah, that's the problem.
I'm starting to see what everyone here is saying. No one really knows how this is supposed to work. And there is little reguard for general village law, which dictates decorm.
Also the whole "bully" or "bullied" thing stated above seems to make perfect sense as well. Yuck.
It is a very unfortunate fact that most people are unaware of. There are laws, but in a village like Capac, there is nobody to enforce them. We have seen blatant violations over and over again, they have been brought to the attention of everyone including the Attorney General of the state. Occasionally the Times Herald will write an article about violations of the Open Meetings Act, or taxes not being paid by council members. But nobody will do anything about it, nobody cares about Capac, nobody with authority is willing to get involved. The Village Officials do not even follow the laws that they create when it does not suit them. The only way anybody can bring about change is to pay for an attorney out of their own pocket and sue the village for violations. That is a cold hard fact as frustrating as it is.

Add that to the fact that most people here do not even vote much less have any clue who is running the town or what they are doing, and well then you will understand why resistance is futile.
who cares

Corunna, MI

#16 Sep 8, 2012
Organize a council meeting flash mob next meeting have 30 people show up. See if they are rude then. Doubt it when are the next mussey/capac/planning comission meetings?
Cozy in Capac

Gagetown, MI

#17 Sep 17, 2012
Public Hearing planned for Oct. 3rd. 7pm American Legion.
Look for a draft to go into Tri-City Times this Wednesday and next.
^ Thought that posting the draft was the legal way to do it, but they needed to be prompted. I had to call the paper to figure out what was going on...
I'm just asking that they follow proper protocol and not slip things by without sufficient notice.
Frustrated capacian

Plymouth, MI

#18 Sep 17, 2012
Cozy in Capac wrote:
Public Hearing planned for Oct. 3rd. 7pm American Legion.
Look for a draft to go into Tri-City Times this Wednesday and next.
^ Thought that posting the draft was the legal way to do it, but they needed to be prompted. I had to call the paper to figure out what was going on...
I'm just asking that they follow proper protocol and not slip things by without sufficient notice.
Having seen the proposed chicken ordinance and read it, chickens is all that it will cover. More on that later, it is very open to interpetation. The proposed ordinance is and will be a capac general ordinance NOT a planning and zoning ordinance. Seems like a smart person in zoning administration told planning this is not for planning, so in short planning wrote the ordinance for village council, basically bailed out klug and the gang for having to do it. I have said all along this is not a planning issue but a village issue, and for once someone listened.

Secondly, the paper has no legal obligation to make sure the village follows protocol for approving new village ordinances.The village has to post and publish an ad for the public hearing by state and local laws. They do not have to publish a draft ordinance, most do not, until it is finalized and approved. You can goto village office and get a copy of the draft for free. You have to remember, this is capac still and only in capac can they violate their own laws and ordinances for a family dollar store and let elected officials remain on council for not paying taxes and there water bills.
Cozy in Capac

Gagetown, MI

#19 Sep 17, 2012
Thanks for clearing things up yet again.
I seem to have trouble getting things straight from the Village Office. Just like from the beginning, I am constantly speaking to "the wrong person".
Ugh! Now it's all making a little more sense to me.
I'm absolutely clear that the paper has no hand in this. It's just that I was told the "ordinance" most likely has already run in the paper. I didn't recall seeing it, so I called the paper to ask if I missed it.
It just seems that if the same people have been around here forever, they should have a better idea on process.
Cozy in Capac

Gagetown, MI

#20 Sep 17, 2012
Any idea why the public hearing takes place at a planning commission meeting then?
I've been under the assumption that it would be council all along, up until a week or so ago.

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