Have airline security measures gone t...

Have airline security measures gone too far? Letters for Sunday, Nov. 21

There are 7 comments on the LA Daily News story from Nov 21, 2010, titled Have airline security measures gone too far? Letters for Sunday, Nov. 21. In it, LA Daily News reports that:

Have airline security measures gone too far? Pat-downs OK, scans too much To be completely honest, the security at airports is an absolute must.

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Pierson, MI

#1 Nov 22, 2010
11-22-2010 LADN
"The T S A employees operating the body scanner are in a separate room and cannot see the person being scanned.
Any traveler who thinks that he or she has something special to hide is simply being naive. Let the new technology find the weapons and let the naive person who thinks that their privacy is being invaded take a train, bus or boat."~ Bob Bergstrom~

Comment: As was told to me untold years ago, "If one has not seen it before, they would not know what they were looking at anyway."

“Be the change you want to see!”

Since: Dec 08

Albuquerque, NM

#2 Nov 22, 2010
Follow the Israeli model

I find it curious that after Sept. 11 America had help from Israeli security on how to better protect our airports. It appears to the untrained eye that none of their suggestions have been implemented.

Flying in or out of Tel Aviv, you do not take off your shoes, nor are you searched (without good reason) or incur a body scan. If ever a place in our world is dealing with terrorism, it is Israel. Perhaps American security needs to take note. Removing one's shoes, being patted down and going through advanced imaging body scans are unnecessary and ridiculous. This is an antiquated way of screening the public.

- MARY HERSH
++++++++++

Mary, what you say makes too much sense!!
Reader

United States

#3 Nov 22, 2010
Ayahuasca Shaman wrote:
Follow the Israeli model
I find it curious that after Sept. 11 America had help from Israeli security on how to better protect our airports. It appears to the untrained eye that none of their suggestions have been implemented.
Flying in or out of Tel Aviv, you do not take off your shoes, nor are you searched (without good reason) or incur a body scan. If ever a place in our world is dealing with terrorism, it is Israel. Perhaps American security needs to take note. Removing one's shoes, being patted down and going through advanced imaging body scans are unnecessary and ridiculous. This is an antiquated way of screening the public.
- MARY HERSH
++++++++++
Mary, what you say makes too much sense!!
If you fly out of Israel, they look hard at anyone who is not, like Ms Hersh, Jewish. Israel in fact screens cars outside the airport parking lot, and if you are not Jewish, you are pulled to the side and you and your car is searched. After making it through that you are asked questions before entering the terminal building. Again, if you are Jewish you are on your way. If you are not Jewish you may be pulled aside into a room for intense questioning and a strip search.
Ms. Hersh, being Jewish, does not see what happens to non-Jewish travelers in her beloved Israel. Not much chance of a Jew causing problems inside Israel, and no need to antagonize the only ethnicity that counts there in political terms, but don't assume that method would work in the US. For one, the cost would be several times that currently spent, because the Israeli method is manpower intensive, moreso than ours. And who are you going to profile? Only Arabs? Well, lets see, Richard Reed, the infamous shoe bomber was Jamaican. Are you going to lump all black men into your special profile? Oh boy, that will fly! And what about people like Colin Powell (son of Jamaican immigrants) or Darly Issa who is of Arab descent? Threats?
Maybe there are good reasons we don't use the Israeli style of airport security? It's always too easy for the uninformed to latch on to such an idea. You seem to be such a simpleton.
Buy a clue

Los Angeles, CA

#4 Nov 22, 2010
Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
If you fly out of Israel, they look hard at anyone who is not, like Ms Hersh, Jewish. Israel in fact screens cars outside the airport parking lot, and if you are not Jewish, you are pulled to the side and you and your car is searched. After making it through that you are asked questions before entering the terminal building. Again, if you are Jewish you are on your way. If you are not Jewish you may be pulled aside into a room for intense questioning and a strip search.
Ms. Hersh, being Jewish, does not see what happens to non-Jewish travelers in her beloved Israel. Not much chance of a Jew causing problems inside Israel, and no need to antagonize the only ethnicity that counts there in political terms, but don't assume that method would work in the US. For one, the cost would be several times that currently spent, because the Israeli method is manpower intensive, moreso than ours. And who are you going to profile? Only Arabs? Well, lets see, Richard Reed, the infamous shoe bomber was Jamaican. Are you going to lump all black men into your special profile? Oh boy, that will fly! And what about people like Colin Powell (son of Jamaican immigrants) or Darly Issa who is of Arab descent? Threats?
Maybe there are good reasons we don't use the Israeli style of airport security? It's always too easy for the uninformed to latch on to such an idea. You seem to be such a simpleton.
you racist dimwit. Your hood gives yourself away. Israelis interview all passengers as they go through the process. They look for telltale psychological signs and mannerism as they question people and no one is excluded from their scrutiny. I'm sure you'd be grateful that some competent security force screened passengers on your before plane it took off.

“Be the change you want to see!”

Since: Dec 08

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Nov 22, 2010
Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
If you fly out of Israel, they look hard at anyone who is not, like Ms Hersh, Jewish. Israel in fact screens cars outside the airport parking lot, and if you are not Jewish, you are pulled to the side and you and your car is searched. After making it through that you are asked questions before entering the terminal building. Again, if you are Jewish you are on your way. If you are not Jewish you may be pulled aside into a room for intense questioning and a strip search.
Ms. Hersh, being Jewish, does not see what happens to non-Jewish travelers in her beloved Israel. Not much chance of a Jew causing problems inside Israel, and no need to antagonize the only ethnicity that counts there in political terms, but don't assume that method would work in the US. For one, the cost would be several times that currently spent, because the Israeli method is manpower intensive, moreso than ours. And who are you going to profile? Only Arabs? Well, lets see, Richard Reed, the infamous shoe bomber was Jamaican. Are you going to lump all black men into your special profile? Oh boy, that will fly! And what about people like Colin Powell (son of Jamaican immigrants) or Darly Issa who is of Arab descent? Threats?
Maybe there are good reasons we don't use the Israeli style of airport security? It's always too easy for the uninformed to latch on to such an idea. You seem to be such a simpleton.
So, you've PROFILED Ms. Hersh as Jewish.

How could you tell? From her name? Her 'schnozz'?? What?

But it's NOT okay to PROFILE suspicious middle-eastern looking people?

I say we PROFILE stupid people like you.

Perhaps if you go through the back-scatter scanners enough times,
you'll become sterile and thereby unable to reproduce more stupid people.
Reader

San Diego, CA

#6 Nov 22, 2010
Buy a clue wrote:
<quoted text>you racist dimwit. Your hood gives yourself away. Israelis interview all passengers as they go through the process. They look for telltale psychological signs and mannerism as they question people and no one is excluded from their scrutiny. I'm sure you'd be grateful that some competent security force screened passengers on your before plane it took off.
They ask some questions of everyone, but the Jews get a free pass. Pretty easy to tell a Hebrew speaker and let them go with very little screening. Can't very well do that here. I'm not convinced they are as good as some claim either.
Btw, I'm not complaining about the current security posture. I don't think the Israeli methods are going to work here. Relying only on race will inevitably lead to a false sense of security and failure.
Btw, your chums in Israel sell us down the river to China as a matter of routine. Look under the wings of the J-10 "Vigorous Dragon" fighter and tell me what missiles you see. PL-8, also known as Python III, built in China to the Israeli design (which is in turn based on the AIM-9L Sidewinders we sold them right down to the rolleron technology developed in the US) in a factory built for the Chinese by Israel. Find out why the J-7G fighter is such a threat today, when it's based on the ancient MiG-21. Israeli avionics, Israeli helmet mounted sights, Israeli radar and Israeli jammers. They sell China anti-radiation drones, radars, all sorts of avionics and head's up displays. Those are just a couple examples of what our tax dollar buys us each year, some of the best US technology given to Israel on our dime which turns around and sells it to China for a handsom profit. Israel is China's second largest foreign military supplier. I will bet you didn't know that, did you. They are no friend of the US. Ever read what happened to the USS Liberty in 1967? That was no mistake. They knew exactly where the topside hatches and water tight doors were and strafed and rocketed them to prevent the crew from escaping. The Israeli's even strafed our sailors in their life boats trying to ensure there were no survivors. Two Israeli pilots refused to attack the ship because it was obviously American were courts martialled. The Israelis knew exactly what they were doing. Were you even alive then when they attacked our ship? I have good reasons for not liking the Israeli's. When the time comes we have to fight China to protect Taiwan or maybe even Japan, our people will die at the hands of Chinese pilots using Israeli weapons and sensors, who wouldn't stand a chance against us except for the technological edge based on our own hard won technology they receive from Israel.
Reader

San Diego, CA

#7 Nov 22, 2010
Ayahuasca Shaman wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you've PROFILED Ms. Hersh as Jewish.
How could you tell? From her name? Her 'schnozz'?? What?
But it's NOT okay to PROFILE suspicious middle-eastern looking people?
I say we PROFILE stupid people like you.
Perhaps if you go through the back-scatter scanners enough times,
you'll become sterile and thereby unable to reproduce more stupid people.
Yup, that would have caught Timothy McVeigh for sure. Idiot, it won't work in an ethnically heterogenous country like the US. Richard Reed wasn't Arab, he was Jamaican. You have Americans born in America, Europeans born in Europe joining the jihad. How do you racially profile a red haired Australian like the one we had in Guantanamo? You don't. If all you do is brace up anyone who looks Arab and give the pasty white boys a free pass, then you will loose airplanes. It's too easy. The bad guys find an innocent looking white guy, or a hispanic like the Chicago born guy the Navy locked up in Charleston for three years (remember the dirty bomber? American born hispanic) to do the deed instead. If all you look for is Arabs, you miss everyone else. Any good security professional will tell you this.

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