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Canutillo says bond, tax rate key to growth

There are 23 comments on the El Paso Times story from Apr 20, 2011, titled Canutillo says bond, tax rate key to growth. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

Asking voters to approve a bond sale worth about $44 million in projects is one of two big issues on the table for the Canutillo Independent School District's future.

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Joe

El Paso, TX

#1 Apr 21, 2011
Destroying the taxpayers. If they're building so many new houses, where is all that new tax money going? They need to cut the spending.
Spokesperson

Albuquerque, NM

#2 Apr 21, 2011
We are simply asking people to accept higher taxes to fund our new educational needs. By doing so, the citizens of Canutillo are making a huge investment in the students' educational experience. We understand this may seem like a heavy burden, but we are confident that Canutillo residents will respond to this most important and urgent need. Canutillo will step up as they have in the past and will be an example of the selflessness that resides in the hearts the Canutillo Eagles...
Tim Holt

El Paso, TX

#3 Apr 21, 2011
I live in CISD and I am a taxpayer and CISD parent.
I will be hit by an increase just as much as anyone, but I am l willing to invest in the future of the community. CISD, like all school districts is going to take a major hit from the Texas Legislature because of short-sightedness on the part of those that have controlled the process for several sessions. It is easy to say "CUT CUT CUT" but at some point, it becomes an exercise in futility. There are many analogies, but one blogger in San Antonio, explaining the same situation for the SAISD said asking for more cuts was like "Asking an anorexic to lose more weight." It is a hard sell, because the community is being asked to invest in the future. Some say the time is wrong, but really, when is the time right to ask for a tax increase?(the average hit if both the TRE and Bond are passed in CISD will be about $29 a month. That is a lot. But it wont kick in until 2 1/2 years, AND it will plateau and decrease over time.) Some say the building of a school on the East side of I-10 is wrong, but that is where the growth in the district is occurring.

The district , I believe, has been very transparent in their budget processes, is very open to explain things and has never turned down someone asking to have the bond and the TRE explained to them. Dr. Murphy has done a great job getting out in front of the public, explaining the need (thus the article).

That is why I have volunteered to be in the DC2011 Action Committee. That is why we have a Facebook page (Decision Canutillo 2011 Action Committee) where all the information is available and we can answer your questions, and that is why I support the effort.
One-sided

El Paso, TX

#4 Apr 21, 2011
There is no balance to this story. Where is the other viewpoint represented in this story? Those citizens who are already over-taxed and over-burdened. We only hear Murphy's propaganda.
Canutillo

El Paso, TX

#5 Apr 21, 2011
Tim Holt wrote:
I live in CISD and I am a taxpayer and CISD parent.
I will be hit by an increase just as much as anyone, but I am l willing to invest in the future of the community. CISD, like all school districts is going to take a major hit from the Texas Legislature because of short-sightedness on the part of those that have controlled the process for several sessions. It is easy to say "CUT CUT CUT" but at some point, it becomes an exercise in futility. There are many analogies, but one blogger in San Antonio, explaining the same situation for the SAISD said asking for more cuts was like "Asking an anorexic to lose more weight." It is a hard sell, because the community is being asked to invest in the future. Some say the time is wrong, but really, when is the time right to ask for a tax increase?(the average hit if both the TRE and Bond are passed in CISD will be about $29 a month. That is a lot. But it wont kick in until 2 1/2 years, AND it will plateau and decrease over time.) Some say the building of a school on the East side of I-10 is wrong, but that is where the growth in the district is occurring.
The district , I believe, has been very transparent in their budget processes, is very open to explain things and has never turned down someone asking to have the bond and the TRE explained to them. Dr. Murphy has done a great job getting out in front of the public, explaining the need (thus the article).
That is why I have volunteered to be in the DC2011 Action Committee. That is why we have a Facebook page (Decision Canutillo 2011 Action Committee) where all the information is available and we can answer your questions, and that is why I support the effort.


A fool like you and his money are soon parted.
Tim Holt

El Paso, TX

#6 Apr 21, 2011
I sign my name.
I don't hide behind anonymous postings.
I state my positions as best I can.

I am as transparent as I can be.
I have created a Facebook page (Decision Canutillo 2011 Action Committee) where I try to answer questions.
I have a blog http://timholt.net where you can see exactly how I feel about things in education.

I try to help where I can.
If I didn't think this was a good idea, I would not have volunteered to be called names by anonymous posters.

You can be powerful or you can be pitiful when it comes to helping schools.
I chose the latter. I hope that you will as well.
Propaganda ES UN PENDEJO

El Paso, TX

#7 Apr 21, 2011
One-sided wrote:
There is no balance to this story. Where is the other viewpoint represented in this story? Those citizens who are already over-taxed and over-burdened. We only hear Murphy's propaganda.
Mike Andrade grow up and stop thinking about yourself. Also I heard that when you went to school in Canutillo you did not even live in the state is that true. If So you should have been a panther.
ohmygosh

United States

#8 Apr 21, 2011
With the millions of unexpected dollars given to the district by the state and with the firing of so many new teachers in the CISD, these schools should be very well off. Any new taxes will just go towards salary increases to those on top and for unnecessary expenses such as travel for "work" related events.

If you vote yes, the same story will be repeated two years from now. It's just a never ending tax increase demand. School officials will never be satisfied with the money they get. We at home are cutting back and so should the districts. Everyone wants a raise, that would be nice but enough is enough!
Tim Holt

United States

#9 Apr 21, 2011
Ohmygosh,
I challenge you to go to the CISD website and see EXACTLY where the money will be spent.

http://www.canutillo-isd.org/DC2011.html

Get involved in the process.
Volunteer for an accountability committee.
Hold the Board's feet to the fire to assure they spend wisely.

When you have the facts, I hope then you will make the right decision.
Joe

El Paso, TX

#10 Apr 22, 2011
Tim Holt wrote:
I sign my name.
I don't hide behind anonymous postings.
I state my positions as best I can.
I am as transparent as I can be.
I have created a Facebook page (Decision Canutillo 2011 Action Committee) where I try to answer questions.
I have a blog http://timholt.net where you can see exactly how I feel about things in education.
I try to help where I can.
If I didn't think this was a good idea, I would not have volunteered to be called names by anonymous posters.
You can be powerful or you can be pitiful when it comes to helping schools.
I chose the latter. I hope that you will as well.
Tell me, why with all the new houses going up are there not enough new taxes being collected?

And you cannot possibly claim that the tax rate isn't already beyond absurd and why isn't anything done about the non-resident students being dropped off at the schools? And no -- not the many living illegally in the district who pay no taxes but all the kids that should be going to Gadsen and those stream of cars with Chihuahua plates dropping off kids?

The school encourages fraud, they know full well the taxpayers are being gouged by fraud but they do nothing about eliminating it.
Tim Holt

United States

#11 Apr 22, 2011
Joe,
School districts are required by law to educate any child that comes to our schools. By the way, many of those "Chihuahua plates" that you speak of are people that have moved to El Paso to avoid the violence in Juarez, are paying rent and or house payments.

If you do not like the law, then work to change it. But do not blame the schools for complying.
ohmygosh

United States

#12 Apr 22, 2011
Tim Holt wrote:
Joe,
School districts are required by law to educate any child that comes to our schools. By the way, many of those "Chihuahua plates" that you speak of are people that have moved to El Paso to avoid the violence in Juarez, are paying rent and or house payments.
If you do not like the law, then work to change it. But do not blame the schools for complying.
You didn't answer his question about all the new taxes being collected from all the new homes recently sold. Probably cause you don't have an answer. That website you provided does not proof anything. Again, school officials will always want more money. You can give them a billion dollars and a couple of yrs from now they'll think of an excuse to raise taxes again.
DISTRICT TAX PAYER

El Paso, TX

#13 Apr 22, 2011
The difference between Mr. Holt and the majority of CISD tax payers is that he doesn't pay city tax. There is a big difference between older houses and some new houses in Canutillo versus the majority of higher valued homes within the City of El Paso of which CISD controls. Most of the tax dollars come from us who live in the city limits. I hope that the school board and Murphy don't become the same old, as the previous administration and board. They taxed, they spent, they lied, and now they want to stick it to us again.
El Zorro

El Paso, TX

#14 Apr 22, 2011
Spokesperson wrote:
We are simply asking people to accept higher taxes to fund our new educational needs. By doing so, the citizens of Canutillo are making a huge investment in the students' educational experience. We understand this may seem like a heavy burden, but we are confident that Canutillo residents will respond to this most important and urgent need. Canutillo will step up as they have in the past and will be an example of the selflessness that resides in the hearts the Canutillo Eagles...
What you really mean is that all of the politicos who want MORE money from the people of Canutillo (money that they can't afford to GIVE you), that the people are totally stupid. That they will always fall for the BS, "it's for the children". The politicians policy is "never give a sucker an even break". People of Canutillo, this is your big chance. You do have a say. Tell them "hell no", you will not vote yourselves a tax INCREASE.
Joe

El Paso, TX

#15 Apr 24, 2011
Tim Holt wrote:
Joe,
School districts are required by law to educate any child that comes to our schools. By the way, many of those "Chihuahua plates" that you speak of are people that have moved to El Paso to avoid the violence in Juarez, are paying rent and or house payments.
If you do not like the law, then work to change it. But do not blame the schools for complying.
So if all these cars with the Chihuahua plates and the New Mexico plates are people who have really moved to El Paso to avoid the violence in Mexico and New Mexico, then they would be paying taxes and you don't need to increase the rates. You should be getting more than enough taxes with all these new people bringing their kids to school.

The tax rate is plenty high where it is. As long as all the people are paying taxes there is absolutely no way you don't have enough money. The problem is, far too many are fraudulently using the schools who pay no taxes and you know it. Canutillo knows it. You know it at registration time when the clerks help suggest how to commit this fraud. You know - if they have no utility bill to find un notario to sign a letter from someone claiming to be a landlord. The school encourages this fraud, it does nothing to limit it.
The Judge

United States

#16 Jun 8, 2011
I hope you idiots who voted for both TRE and bond election will be happy with the new blue turf on the football field! I certainly hope Mr. Holt will appreciate his money going towards important educational materials for our student's, I for one thank you, idiot.
Cowboy

El Paso, TX

#17 Jun 9, 2011
It is amazing that no mention of replacing the High School football field turf with a new 'blue turf' before the bond and TRE were passed. I also wonder if the rest of the voters feel the same way I do, nothing but the best for our "kids". With the new turf comes new uniforms, I hope there is enough money left over for what was needed to educate our "kids"! We can thank our school board trustees along with Dr. Murphy, Canutillo will be the first poor district in Texas with the most expensive football field. Que pendejos.
The Judge

United States

#18 Jun 9, 2011
I wonder if the new blue turf was to entice the residents from the Helen of Troy area to the Canutillo ISD?? Welcome to Canutillo!
Dion Dorado

El Paso, TX

#19 Jun 19, 2011
I was very upset when I saw the news on channel 7 reporting about the new blue football field and Damon's justification of the expenditure. I am appaled at the screwing I received by not getting a clear and concise spending list for our tax dollars. I for one would have fought extremely hard against such an expenditure if I had been told beforehand. I don't care about football, It won't get you a job,(Canutillo has never produced a professional)I don't care to finance any sports activity at Canutillo because it has failed to do what sports activities are all about. Canutillo failed to graduate a high percentage of youngsters for many years and I for one have brought it to the attention of previous School Board Trustees and the superintendent at the time. When Mr. Murphy came on board I promised myself to give him a break and see what he could do with a sinking ship. Well it looks like same old, same old, except now he has more bait to cast overboard to the sharks. I will attend the school board meetings as before and voice my U.S. Citizen, Tax Payer, and God given voice, when the children who attend school in the district don't graduate or are failing to cut the mustard in the world of education. I am very upset at Damon for having lied to me. And I thought Mormons are among the most trusted people because of their clean living and teachings. I am a Catholic but it is not an excuse to stretch the truth.
The Judge

United States

#20 Jun 19, 2011
The new property tax rate is the highest among the nine El Paso County school districts, in a news article by Dr. Damon Murphy "There is no luxury in our TRE, only sustainability." Would you consider that a lie? Spending close to half a million dollars on blue turf and matching uniforms (like Boise State) is part of the package deal that the voters wanted! Mr. Dorado you should know by now,'there's a sucker born every minute', or is that every second????

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