Struggling substitutes: Glut of teach...

Struggling substitutes: Glut of teaching hopefuls' job-hunts are tall task

There are 111 comments on the El Paso Times story from Jun 19, 2011, titled Struggling substitutes: Glut of teaching hopefuls' job-hunts are tall task. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

Teacher Aki Paget shows students her attempt at making a balloon animal during her class at First Baptist Church.

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reality

El Paso, TX

#101 Jun 24, 2011
I would have to read the EPISD contract, but I am guessing there is a "maximum" amount of time a teacher is required to be on campus during the day and it is not currently being utilized which would allow the district to increase time. I am also guessing there is a maximum number of classes/student load that a teacher may have during a semester.
money for nothing

El Paso, TX

#102 Jun 24, 2011
reality wrote:
I would have to read the EPISD contract, but I am guessing there is a "maximum" amount of time a teacher is required to be on campus during the day and it is not currently being utilized which would allow the district to increase time. I am also guessing there is a maximum number of classes/student load that a teacher may have during a semester.
sounds about right to me.
so true

Casper, WY

#104 Jun 24, 2011
money for nothing wrote:
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Boy did you screw up. You could have gone to school to become a teacher and instead you chose some crap job that leaves you miserable. It makes me frustrated as well to know some damn teacher went on a cruise.
You ask most of affluent America what they are telling their kids and it is always the samne. If you want to live the life, don't become an engineer, doctor, lawyer or MBA. Become a teacher! Man do they have the good life!
All I know is one of my closest friends is a science teacher in the Chicago area and earns more than $80,000 a year. She expects to make over $60,000 a year in retirment. She commented to me one day, "I don't what I'd do if I didn't have summers off."

That's not to say she doesn't work long hours or teach summer school some years. But it is to say that she generally does not work year-round and is well compensated for her work, compared to some other professionals.
money for nothing

El Paso, TX

#105 Jun 24, 2011
A fellow college buddy of mine graduated with a 4 year mechanical engineering degree. He started at over $100,000 a year, is currently in the $200,000 a year range and spends much of his time on the golf course trying to land business deals.

A second college buddy graduated with a 4 year undergrad business degree. He landed a job as a stock broker starting at over $100,000 a year and is currently making $300,000 a year. Somehow he is able to work golf into his regular schedule as well.

I took my 4 college degree and started at $30,000 a year and am currently at just over $50,000 a year. I would argue my job is the most important of all being that I educate young children to learn math, science, etc.

My buddies used to question my choice. Thought I was crazy and should have chosen a different degree. They both would have made excellent teachers but had little incentive knowing the potential earnings other 4 year degrees have.

The broker now lives in a million dollar home on 5 acres of property. The engineer now lives in a $500,000 home with 200 acres of property. I live in a $180,000 home with .25 acres of property.

However, I do get to work 38 weeks a year (working HARD and making a BIG difference!) and they work about 48 weeks a year (if you call golfing work).

The pay and days of work are well justified.
Ralph Mouth

El Paso, TX

#106 Jun 24, 2011
My grandma makes 5 bux a day knitting pee pee sweaters. WHO CARES! QUIT BRAGGING!
money for nothing

El Paso, TX

#107 Jun 24, 2011
There aren't people on this forum implying your grandma isn't worth the 5 bucks. It is my livelihood and I don't like it when people make it sound like I'm not worth it.
Puppetmaster

Oceanside, CA

#109 Jun 24, 2011
money for nothing wrote:
A fellow college buddy of mine graduated with a 4 year mechanical engineering degree. He started at over $100,000 a year, is currently in the $200,000 a year range and spends much of his time on the golf course trying to land business deals.
A second college buddy graduated with a 4 year undergrad business degree. He landed a job as a stock broker starting at over $100,000 a year and is currently making $300,000 a year. Somehow he is able to work golf into his regular schedule as well.
I took my 4 college degree and started at $30,000 a year and am currently at just over $50,000 a year. I would argue my job is the most important of all being that I educate young children to learn math, science, etc.
My buddies used to question my choice. Thought I was crazy and should have chosen a different degree. They both would have made excellent teachers but had little incentive knowing the potential earnings other 4 year degrees have.
The broker now lives in a million dollar home on 5 acres of property. The engineer now lives in a $500,000 home with 200 acres of property. I live in a $180,000 home with .25 acres of property.
However, I do get to work 38 weeks a year (working HARD and making a BIG difference!) and they work about 48 weeks a year (if you call golfing work).
The pay and days of work are well justified.
Bull crap...this is all made up. You might fool people that don't any better but you don't fool me. Why would a company pay an engineer 100k when they can get one from India for 45 to 60k that graduated from a major university in the USA? If you are a teacher you work maybe 35 hours a week in the classroom but over 20 hours a week grading papers, lesson plans and making calls to students parents etc....STFU....
money for nothing

El Paso, TX

#110 Jun 25, 2011
100 percent true.
Puppetmaster

Oceanside, CA

#111 Jun 25, 2011
so true wrote:
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All I know is one of my closest friends is a science teacher in the Chicago area and earns more than $80,000 a year. She expects to make over $60,000 a year in retirment. She commented to me one day, "I don't what I'd do if I didn't have summers off."
That's not to say she doesn't work long hours or teach summer school some years. But it is to say that she generally does not work year-round and is well compensated for her work, compared to some other professionals.
Let me guess, she is unmarried an in her 60s and started teaching over 25 years ago. Few people stay in teaching that long and those retirements don't exist anymore. If they do let me know so I can get back into teaching.
way out

United States

#112 Jun 25, 2011
Hey did you read in today's paper about that teacher in Cereso, Mexico teaching English? I bet she would be willing to get a sub for a couple of days.
soso

El Paso, TX

#113 Jun 26, 2011
Hmmm wrote:
" No manchen" in other words " let it go"
Yes I am bilingual, courtesy of our public schools.
Thank you teachers for teaching me the fascinating language and culture of this country and helping me maintain my first language and enrich the knowledge I had of my culture. This makes me a stronger person and a competitive professional.
There you go. Thank you.

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