Letters: Benefits issue

Letters: Benefits issue

There are 48 comments on the El Paso Times story from Nov 9, 2010, titled Letters: Benefits issue. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

Tom Brown should be ashamed of himself, but of course, he's not. In his world, he is most likely proud of his disgusting accomplishment to strip the rights of 19 city employees, and their domestic partners, with the ballot proposition.

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Kyle

El Paso, TX

#1 Nov 10, 2010
Shayne Huffman - When you are employed by someone - you don't have "rights" as you describe. The city DOES NOT have to pay for any benefits. That's why they are called 'benefits'. NOT RIGHTS.

Remember - City employees work for the people of El Paso. Not any individual. That being said, ALL city employees work for me just as much as they do for Cook. Each of us has one vote.
gregory willems

El Paso, TX

#2 Nov 10, 2010
Who is this guy TOM BROWN ? Is he a minister or what?Dose he have a degree from any CHURCH? Or maybe he is a .com minaster . Self important people make me sick. Lets all get togather and show this ass what we think of him.
Guillermo

San Jose, CA

#3 Nov 10, 2010
For rent: Nicely appointed guest bedroom in beautiful home.. Good neighborhood.. Owner works for City of El Paso so all employee benefits are shared with lucky renters and their dependents at this address ..
Really Are you for Real

AOL

#4 Nov 10, 2010
The people of El Paso have mandated the City Council to act in a certain manner. However, being elitist, and ignoring what the people want, they will attempt to overturn the benefits ordnance. Only today, we also learn, that NOT being City Employees, this will affect them also, they will not get health benefits. So, do you see the incentive there? They are voting for themselves, not for you. Rep. Byrd aptly expressed it in the paper this morning. She stated that she knows that she will be voting against what the people want, but it is HER views that the benefits are reinstated. That makes it clear to me, City Council has no intention of representing you, the people who put them in office. They will do what they damn well please, and just sweep your wants and wishes aside.

They are also going to propose an "Equal rights" amendment to the City Charter. I have a thought, why dont the citizens put out their own amendments, "If an Elected City Official refuses to heed the wishes and mandates of the electorate, that he/she be immediately removed from office.
Sancho

Torrance, CA

#5 Nov 10, 2010
I will be first in line to sign the petitions to recall all the council members that decide that the voters voice will be denied. What part of "by the people" don't they understand?
El Pasoan

El Paso, TX

#6 Nov 10, 2010
Sancho, the part of our system of government that you don't understand is that the very concept of "rights" is wrapped up with preventing the tyranny of the majority. Bravo, Susie! And thank heaven that we didn't following polling data or have elections to decide if "colored only" water fountains or "no Mexicans or dogs" signs were permissible in our city in the 1960s. Or, perhaps we should have put Don Haskins' decision to recruit and play black kids from the north to a referendum (and not AFTER we beat Kentucky and he became a genius and a hero, but a year or two earlier)?

Susie is not willing to enshrine bigotry into the City Charter, and for that she is to be applauded. I hope Beto, Steve, and the others share her vision and her guts.
SnB

San Antonio, TX

#7 Nov 10, 2010
Bye bye Susie, it is time for you to go. It seems like after a few years go by, politicians forget they are electees and act like royalty. It's been nice Ms. Byrd but term limits will be imposed on you by those you seem to have forgotten.
greg with a brain

El Paso, TX

#8 Nov 10, 2010
I wish all you people from out of town ( who do not pay tax in El Paso ) mind your own and not ours.
jtex

El Paso, TX

#9 Nov 10, 2010
Hoffman Tom Brown should be given a medal and it wasn't him but the people of El Paso who voted to deny benefits to gay people. The City of El Paso should have brought it to a vote instead of
O'Rourke and Ortega deciding for the people of El Paso to give them benefits.
enchilada kid

United States

#10 Nov 10, 2010
Pastor Brown is one of those "Prosperity Gospel" preachers that came from the 20th century tent revivals. They preach that the more money you give THEM , the more you will receive from God!!! They are filthy rich and make their churchs and church property their own and live lavish life styles. Like Abundant, Vino Nuevo, The Door, Joel Olsteen, Cielo Vista pastors, they tell you that God wants them to be rich. Yet Christ tells us in the Gospels that " it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to inherit the Kindom of Heaven". Christ also set the guidlines for those chosen to preach his word, instructing them to " take and receive no money" while preaching. Brown, like these other heretics tell their cult to follow Christ. But not to listen to Him. Brown , like the other Prosperity Gospel preachers , put themselves above Christ and the law. Watching his anger on TV this morning, there is nothing Christian about him. He will pay, things have a way of coming back and this will
Bobby

El Paso, TX

#11 Nov 10, 2010
Shayne:

Benefits are at the discretion of the employer; thus any benefits that city employees receive are at the discretion of the people of El Paso, the voters, the taxpayers.

The people of El Paso spoke on November 2nd.
FEDUP

El Paso, TX

#12 Nov 10, 2010
Politicians everywhere have arrogantly gone against the peopls' wishes! I wholeheartedly agree with you, Really, this time around!
The polticians are under the wrong impression that just because they were elected to office they can run the government and our lives just as they well damn please!
Now is the time for all citizens to unite to defeat any politician that erroniously believes he or she can run roughshod over the citizens, unimpeded!
We need to send a strong message to these clowns at the ballot box!
Sancho

Torrance, CA

#13 Nov 10, 2010
El Pasoan wrote:
Sancho, the part of our system of government that you don't understand is that the very concept of "rights" is wrapped up with preventing the tyranny of the majority. Bravo, Susie! And thank heaven that we didn't following polling data or have elections to decide if "colored only" water fountains or "no Mexicans or dogs" signs were permissible in our city in the 1960s. Or, perhaps we should have put Don Haskins' decision to recruit and play black kids from the north to a referendum (and not AFTER we beat Kentucky and he became a genius and a hero, but a year or two earlier)?
Susie is not willing to enshrine bigotry into the City Charter, and for that she is to be applauded. I hope Beto, Steve, and the others share her vision and her guts.
El Pasoan, Here is what James Madison said: "The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elected, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny". Is not what the City Council is trying to do is just that, the very definition of tyranny? If they don't agree with the voters then isn't the next step for the judiciary branch to resolve? That's how the other cases you cited were decided.
FEDUP

El Paso, TX

#14 Nov 10, 2010
All these holier than thou hypocrites want to impose their morals on everyone! They want complete rule to force us into their wrped sense of values! They want you and I to, "do as I say, not as I do"!
Oh, these hypocrites make me want to hurl!
This is exactly how our state is being run with the republican evanmgelicals, the baptists and the protestant East Texas loons! That's why our economy is stagnant and are running deficits in the billions. They don't want gambling or casinos!
These are money generating businesses that can help Texas' economy during this economic downturn, yet they are against, "the wages of sin"!
Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of Texans are unemployed and Perry refuses to help by denying them unemloyement benefits! Which by the way, they help pay for while they were working!
Give me a freaking break!
FEDUP

El Paso, TX

#15 Nov 10, 2010
Our democracy has been turned over to the plutocrats! The oligarchs sold our democracy to the highest bidders, and they are now firmly in control of our very existence!
We are now under the direct control of the Star Chamber! For those of you not familiar with who the Star Cahmber is, my advise to you is to watch this movie,(same name), and prepare to be enlightened! This will open your eyes to the reality that now exists!
Too Many Hypocrites

United States

#16 Nov 10, 2010
greg with a brain wrote:
I wish all you people from out of town ( who do not pay tax in El Paso ) mind your own and not ours.
bLhha blhaha haa like the churches and AFA and various other groups did in the IA and CA elections
mommylady

El Paso, TX

#17 Nov 10, 2010
gregory willems wrote:
Who is this guy TOM BROWN ? Is he a minister or what?Dose he have a degree from any CHURCH? Or maybe he is a .com minaster . Self important people make me sick. Lets all get togather and show this **** what we think of him.
Touch not God's anointed! Trust me, you won't win. By the way, how tolerant of you my friend. Oh yes, didn't know one had to have a DEGREE to disagree. Self important people make me sick, too Gregory, especially the ones who think they possess the power to get people together to tell someone they don't know what they think of him and to call him names.
George

El Paso, TX

#18 Nov 10, 2010
Bobby wrote:
Shayne:
Benefits are at the discretion of the employer; thus any benefits that city employees receive are at the discretion of the people of El Paso, the voters, the taxpayers.
The people of El Paso spoke on November 2nd.
Did the people of El Paso really "speak"? Most voters i talked to did not realize which side of the issue they were voting for. Why isn't anyone addressing that issue. I'm glad Shayne did.
No Brains greg

United States

#19 Nov 10, 2010
greg with a brain wrote:
I wish all you people from out of town ( who do not pay tax in El Paso ) mind your own and not ours.
Hey greg, it is called a county, the U.S. of A., we are also a planet, Mother Earth and as such it is everyones bussness. But by your thinking you prove that those who think like you are only into themselves and thus get upset when others chime in and say Not So Fast no brains greg!
WYTA

United States

#20 Nov 10, 2010
George wrote:
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Did the people of El Paso really "speak"? Most voters i talked to did not realize which side of the issue they were voting for. Why isn't anyone addressing that issue. I'm glad Shayne did.
Who is Shayne?

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