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Canton church plans book burning on Halloween to burn 'perversions of God's word'

There are 49 comments on the Ashvegas story from Oct 15, 2009, titled Canton church plans book burning on Halloween to burn 'perversions of God's word'. In it, Ashvegas reports that:

Here's the story, from rawstory.com : A Baptist Church near Asheville, N.C., is hosting a "Halloween book burning" to purge the area of "Satan's" works, which include all non-King James versions of the Bible, popular books by many religious authors and even country music.

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Kevin

Hendersonville, NC

#1 Oct 15, 2009
So publicity stunts are not considered satanic by this "pastor"?
Bruce Lloyd

Boone, NC

#2 Oct 15, 2009
I don't think people should burn books. Just, don't teach your kids how to read. That way, your kids won't be able to read "Catcher in the Rye" or "Hamlet" or "Cat in the Hat" or "Rumblefish".
Of course, they also won't be able to read the "John Deere Owner's Manual" or the "Bible". But, you can always download the Gospels on their MP3 player, but you'll never know if they'd be listening to Revelations or Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, or Yo Yo Ma.

And they can still listen to their pastor every Sunday, who has also never read "Catcher in the Rye" or "Hamlet" or "Rumblefish" or "The John Deere Owner's Manuel" or the "Bible".

But, he sure knows scripture! Too bad he dosen't know anything about religion.

“www.coppertoken. com”

Since: Sep 07

State of Confusion

#3 Oct 15, 2009
Ya'll think this is funny? Just wait till he fries the Easter Bunny cause he figured out it was pagan.
Kevin

Hendersonville, NC

#4 Oct 16, 2009
You know, I'm a Christian, and I believe that the Bible is God's word, but some of these poor people are just stupid. I mean, doesn't this guy understand that the King James Version is itself a translation? Do people like this realize that Billy Graham has probably brought more people to Christianity than anyone in history?(or at least in the history of the United States) I have said this many times before, but it bears repeating. There is a limit to intelligence, but stupidity knows no bounds.

“proud of white heritage”

Since: Oct 09

Greenville, SC

#5 Oct 16, 2009
BURN BABY BURN. i disagree with what this pastor is doing. but will defend to the death his right to burn anything he wants like elvis presley records, copies of the koran music cds etc etc. this is america. you can burn anything you want. hell you can even set a cross on fire, hold a klan meeting and worship on your own or others private property with their permission.

i may attend this to honor this mans intention to exercise his freedoms. pres obama will probably try to take our freedoms away before his term is up, so we better enjoy them now.

Since: Oct 07

Mountain City, TN

#6 Oct 16, 2009
OUR Founding Fathers did not just revolt in what so far is the greatest & most successful insurection since time began, against the conservative Calvinist Trinitarian King George & the conservative Calvinist Trinitarrian Church of England, only to surrender their Free Will to another King by the name of James. They didn't just merely question the authority of the Church & organized religion to use the power of the government to oppress & enslave mankind, they created a secular republic whereby the state was seperated from the government & vice versa. As James Madison clearly established in A Remonstrance And Rememberance Against Religious Assessments in Favour of he Teachers of the Christian Religion:

If "all men are by nature equally free and independent," all men are to be considered as entering into Society on equal conditions; as relinquishing no more, and therefore retaining no less, one than another, of their natural rights. Above all are they to be considered as retaining an "equal title to the free exercise of Religion according to the dictates of Conscience."

Jefferson took this even further by establishing in An Act For Establishing Reigious Freedom:

The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
Thomas Jefferson, 1786
Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time; that to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves, is sinful and tyrannical;

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#7 Oct 16, 2009
Chuck Zimmerman wrote:
OUR Founding Fathers did not just revolt in what so far is the greatest & most successful insurection since time began, against the conservative Calvinist Trinitarian King George & the conservative Calvinist Trinitarrian Church of England, only to surrender their Free Will to another King by the name of James. They didn't just merely question the authority of the Church & organized religion to use the power of the government to oppress & enslave mankind, they created a secular republic whereby the state was seperated from the government & vice versa. As James Madison clearly established in A Remonstrance And Rememberance Against Religious Assessments in Favour of he Teachers of the Christian Religion:
If "all men are by nature equally free and independent," all men are to be considered as entering into Society on equal conditions; as relinquishing no more, and therefore retaining no less, one than another, of their natural rights. Above all are they to be considered as retaining an "equal title to the free exercise of Religion according to the dictates of Conscience."
Jefferson took this even further by establishing in An Act For Establishing Reigious Freedom:
The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
Thomas Jefferson, 1786
Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time; that to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves, is sinful and tyrannical;
Hey Chuck, you may be a diehard liberal, but when you do hit the target, it is a Bulls Eye.

While I do not agree with all of the separation of church and state brew haha, I completely agree that the US Gov should never "recognize or advocate" any religion.

And this Church is a great example of why our Founding Fathers included that.

“www.coppertoken. com”

Since: Sep 07

State of Confusion

#8 Oct 16, 2009
white race warrior wrote:
BURN BABY BURN. i disagree with what this pastor is doing. but will defend to the death his right to burn anything he wants like elvis presley records, copies of the koran music cds etc etc. this is america. you can burn anything you want. hell you can even set a cross on fire, hold a klan meeting and worship on your own or others private property with their permission.
i may attend this to honor this mans intention to exercise his freedoms. pres obama will probably try to take our freedoms away before his term is up, so we better enjoy them now.
Actually you do not have the right, I think you also have to have a permit to do it in some places. Ya know like wanting to express your freedom and wind up setting the neighborhood on fire.

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#9 Oct 16, 2009
white race warrior wrote:
BURN BABY BURN. i disagree with what this pastor is doing. but will defend to the death his right to burn anything he wants like elvis presley records, copies of the koran music cds etc etc. this is america. you can burn anything you want. hell you can even set a cross on fire, hold a klan meeting and worship on your own or others private property with their permission.
i may attend this to honor this mans intention to exercise his freedoms. pres obama will probably try to take our freedoms away before his term is up, so we better enjoy them now.
Good Point!

As long as the Pastor doesn't advocate burning MY books, he is merely exercsing his rights.

“www.coppertoken. com”

Since: Sep 07

State of Confusion

#10 Oct 16, 2009
Kevin wrote:
You know, I'm a Christian, and I believe that the Bible is God's word, but some of these poor people are just stupid. I mean, doesn't this guy understand that the King James Version is itself a translation? Do people like this realize that Billy Graham has probably brought more people to Christianity than anyone in history?(or at least in the history of the United States) I have said this many times before, but it bears repeating. There is a limit to intelligence, but stupidity knows no bounds.
Funny thing about Religion, each so called group knows they are right and everyone else is wrong. I suppose that is why there have been wars for hundreds and hundreds of years over who was right and who was wrong.

And the same is that I am not sure if God actually came down and said..."Take this down" at anytime. Supposing he did then just as wars have been fought over religion, those original words would have been changed just as many times by church and political powers. Anyone who who realizes that the Bible was written during the second century knows the many ....many changes that has been written and re-written.

In St. Thomas' Scripture sums up this book burning man as far as I am concerned. Jesus stated that if a blind man lead another blind man they would both fall in a hole.

I have always found a distaste for anyone who burns books. Being we in this country have a right to read any book. Many other countries do not have that right. When someone burns a book to me they are actually burning a freedom that so many have fought and died for.
Bruce Lloyd

Boone, NC

#11 Oct 16, 2009
Chuck Zimmerman wrote:
OUR Founding Fathers did not just revolt in what so far is the greatest & most successful insurection since time began, against the conservative Calvinist Trinitarian King George & the conservative Calvinist Trinitarrian Church of England, only to surrender their Free Will to another King by the name of James. They didn't just merely question the authority of the Church & organized religion to use the power of the government to oppress & enslave mankind, they created a secular republic whereby the state was seperated from the government & vice versa. As James Madison clearly established in A Remonstrance And Rememberance Against Religious Assessments in Favour of he Teachers of the Christian Religion:
If "all men are by nature equally free and independent," all men are to be considered as entering into Society on equal conditions; as relinquishing no more, and therefore retaining no less, one than another, of their natural rights. Above all are they to be considered as retaining an "equal title to the free exercise of Religion according to the dictates of Conscience."
Jefferson took this even further by establishing in An Act For Establishing Reigious Freedom:
The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
Thomas Jefferson, 1786
Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time; that to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves, is sinful and tyrannical;
I think that's interesting. Thanks for the information.

Since: Oct 07

Mountain City, TN

#12 Oct 16, 2009
There is this from the North Carolina Bill of Rights ratified December 12, 1776:

XIX. That all men have a natural and unalienable right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences.

This was amended to:

"All persons have a natural and inalienable right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own conscience, and no human authority shall, in any case whatever, control or interfere with the rights of conscience.

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#13 Oct 16, 2009
Ravenz Moon wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually you do not have the right, I think you also have to have a permit to do it in some places. Ya know like wanting to express your freedom and wind up setting the neighborhood on fire.
I don't think you have any idea what a right is.

The pastor certainly has the right to burn any books that belong to him. He also can be arrested for any damages caused by that fire.

And finally, if you have to get a permit, why do you call it a right?????

Since: Oct 07

Mountain City, TN

#14 Oct 16, 2009
Ravenz Moon wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny thing about Religion, each so called group knows they are right and everyone else is wrong. I suppose that is why there have been wars for hundreds and hundreds of years over who was right and who was wrong.
And the same is that I am not sure if God actually came down and said..."Take this down" at anytime. Supposing he did then just as wars have been fought over religion, those original words would have been changed just as many times by church and political powers. Anyone who who realizes that the Bible was written during the second century knows the many ....many changes that has been written and re-written.
In St. Thomas' Scripture sums up this book burning man as far as I am concerned. Jesus stated that if a blind man lead another blind man they would both fall in a hole.
I have always found a distaste for anyone who burns books. Being we in this country have a right to read any book. Many other countries do not have that right. When someone burns a book to me they are actually burning a freedom that so many have fought and died for.
From Jefferson's Inaugural Draft:
During the contest of opinion through which we have passed, the animation of discussion and of exertions has sometimes worn an aspect which might impose on strangers unused to think freely and to speak and to write what they think; but this being now decided by the voice of the nation, announced according to the rules of the constitution, all will, of course, arrange themselves under the will of the law, and unite in common efforts for the common good. All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate which would be oppression. Let us, then, fellow citizens, unite with one heart and one mind. Let us restore to social intercourse that harmony and affection without which liberty and even life itself are but dreary things. And let us reflect that having banished from our land that religious intolerance under which mankind so long bled and suffered, we have yet gained little if we countenance a political intolerance as despotic, as wicked, and capable of as bitter and bloody persecutions. During the throes and convulsions of the ancient world, during the agonizing spasms of infuriated man, seeking through blood and slaughter his long-lost liberty, it was not wonderful that the agitation of the billows should reach even this distant and peaceful shore; that this should be more felt and feared by some and less by others; that this should divide opinions as to measures of safety. But every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.
We have called by different names brethren of the same principle. We are all republicans-we are federalists. If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.

“www.coppertoken. com”

Since: Sep 07

State of Confusion

#15 Oct 16, 2009
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think you have any idea what a right is.
The pastor certainly has the right to burn any books that belong to him. He also can be arrested for any damages caused by that fire.
And finally, if you have to get a permit, why do you call it a right?????
Yeah that is what I was saying..you know as I don't know what a right is...right?

In this country even thought we have certain so called rights they are limited.
Look around you.. do you have the right to live in your own home? Sure..but you better pay the government to do so.
Even your air is taxed.. cell phones.

Freedom of speech.. go cuss a judge out and tell him you have the right.

I find burning books as offensive as burning the flag. Which we have the right to do so. As long as it does not disturb the other laws and rights of others.

There have always been arguments for and against the Freedom of Speech right here in this country. Have you ever heard of the Espionage Act of 1917? One of the first of many that showed just how far that 'right' was not really a right. People were locked up just for talking against the military for years.
Then there was the Cold War..remember that? And how about up till last year so they said that the government had a right to tap your phones to see if you are a terrorist?

I may not understand every thing about the law around freedom of speech you are correct. Of course I dont think most really do.

“www.coppertoken. com”

Since: Sep 07

State of Confusion

#16 Oct 16, 2009
Chuck Zimmerman wrote:
<quoted text>
From Jefferson's Inaugural Draft:
During the contest of opinion through which we have passed, the animation of discussion and of exertions has sometimes worn an aspect which might impose on strangers unused to think freely and to speak and to write what they think; but this being now decided by the voice of the nation, announced according to the rules of the constitution, all will, of course, arrange themselves under the will of the law, and unite in common efforts for the common good. All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate which would be oppression. Let us, then, fellow citizens, unite with one heart and one mind. Let us restore to social intercourse that harmony and affection without which liberty and even life itself are but dreary things. And let us reflect that having banished from our land that religious intolerance under which mankind so long bled and suffered, we have yet gained little if we countenance a political intolerance as despotic, as wicked, and capable of as bitter and bloody persecutions. During the throes and convulsions of the ancient world, during the agonizing spasms of infuriated man, seeking through blood and slaughter his long-lost liberty, it was not wonderful that the agitation of the billows should reach even this distant and peaceful shore; that this should be more felt and feared by some and less by others; that this should divide opinions as to measures of safety. But every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.
We have called by different names brethren of the same principle. We are all republicans-we are federalists. If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
The last sentence is the beginning of the end... tolerance. which goes back to the original post..the preacher who knows he is right and has no tolerance for his fellow mankind beliefs.

I mean come on... and not directed at you chuck ...but this preacher could donate the books. Or if they are so against them... what did they do go out and buy them? That money would have been better spent helping another don't you think?

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#17 Oct 16, 2009
Ravenz Moon wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah that is what I was saying..you know as I don't know what a right is...right?
In this country even thought we have certain so called rights they are limited.
Look around you.. do you have the right to live in your own home? Sure..but you better pay the government to do so.
Even your air is taxed.. cell phones.
Freedom of speech.. go cuss a judge out and tell him you have the right.
I find burning books as offensive as burning the flag. Which we have the right to do so. As long as it does not disturb the other laws and rights of others.
There have always been arguments for and against the Freedom of Speech right here in this country. Have you ever heard of the Espionage Act of 1917? One of the first of many that showed just how far that 'right' was not really a right. People were locked up just for talking against the military for years.
Then there was the Cold War..remember that? And how about up till last year so they said that the government had a right to tap your phones to see if you are a terrorist?
I may not understand every thing about the law around freedom of speech you are correct. Of course I dont think most really do.
Perhaps it is a question of semantics.

When you say it is not a right, I disagree. Perhaps a better way would be to say regulated behavior.

You have a right to do anything you want, as long as it does not infringe on anothers rights.

It is the Gov (or, in the past, a big guy with a big stick) who violates your right to do anything you want and "makes" you behave the way they want.

When you say "that is not a right", you are agreeing with the people that are violating your rights.

I say you have that right, until you allow someone to take it away form you.

Now, misbehavior that infringes others rights is a fine thing to regulate, but the mere exercise of a right should never be.

I try to decide which rights are important enough to fight for.

The Bill of Rights is a good place to start.

There was also an early infringement on free speech, early 1800's, possibly the "sedition act."

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#18 Oct 16, 2009
If Obama can burn the Constitution then I guess these people can burn their books. What ever floats their little boats. I burn a little time on here from time to time just to get a rise from contributing Authors:}

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#19 Oct 16, 2009
fastsam wrote:
If Obama can burn the Constitution then I guess these people can burn their books. What ever floats their little boats. I burn a little time on here from time to time just to get a rise from contributing Authors:}
Well, since Obama is not burning the Constitution, you're analogy pretty much fails miserably.
Bruce Lloyd

Boone, NC

#20 Oct 16, 2009
white race warrior wrote:
BURN BABY BURN. i disagree with what this pastor is doing. but will defend to the death his right to burn anything he wants like elvis presley records, copies of the koran music cds etc etc. this is america. you can burn anything you want. hell you can even set a cross on fire, hold a klan meeting and worship on your own or others private property with their permission.
i may attend this to honor this mans intention to exercise his freedoms. pres obama will probably try to take our freedoms away before his term is up, so we better enjoy them now.
I agree with you, in a small way. I would defend his right to burn books to my death as well. But, just because he has a RIGHT to burn books, dosen't exactly mean he SHOULD burn books. Andreas Serrano has a right to put a crucifix in a jar or urine, take a photograph, and call it a work of art. I would defend his right to do this. But, I HATE the fact that he DID this. If you have any respect for Christianity (whether you happen to be a Christian, atheiest, Muslim or Jewish), or any religion you should be offended by this act. I will defend the pastor's right to burn books in the name of religion, but I am offended by it.

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