Life-at-fertilization initiative has hope in Miss.

Oct 17, 2011 Full story: Centre Daily Times 2,675

In this June 6, 2011 file photo, Ezekiel Sowell, 7, right,of Tupelo, Miss., sings during a prayer rally for the Personhood Amendment at the Capitol in Jackson, Miss.

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anon

Tupelo, MS

#2552 Mar 29, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>Your overwhelming stupidity is rather alarming.
Life begains with fertilization.
A human individual arises through the union of two cells, an egg from the mother and a sperm from the father.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/228...
One can say that life begins at or near birth, measured by fetal viability outside the motherís body.(Judaism affirms something close to this position.) After all, somewhere between 50 and 60 percent of all embryos conceived miscarry. Not to mention testn tub fertilization
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#2553 Mar 29, 2013
anon wrote:
<quoted text>
One can say that life begins at or near birth, measured by fetal viability outside the motherís body.(Judaism affirms something close to this position.) After all, somewhere between 50 and 60 percent of all embryos conceived miscarry. Not to mention testn tub fertilization
Judaism has changed.
What do you think of this article?

http://www.jewishjournal.com/dennis_prager/ar...
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#2554 Mar 29, 2013
anon wrote:
<quoted text>
One can say that life begins at or near birth, measured by fetal viability outside the motherís body.(Judaism affirms something close to this position.) After all, somewhere between 50 and 60 percent of all embryos conceived miscarry. Not to mention testn tub fertilization
One can say the moon is made of green cheese.
Viability has absolutely nothing to do with what is or isn't an organism, much less what is or isn't alive. Although lichens had been recognized as organisms for quite some time, it was not until 1867, when Swiss botanist Simon Schwendener proposed his dual theory of lichens, that the true nature of the lichen association began to emerge. Schwendener's hypothesis, which at the time lacked experimental evidence, arose from his extensive analysis of the anatomy and development in lichens, algae, and fungi using a light microscope. Many of the leading lichenologists at the time, such as James Crombie and Nylander, rejected Schwendener's hypothesis because the common consensus was that all living organisms were autonomous. Other prominent biologists, such as Heinrich Anton de Bary, Albert Bernhard Frank, Melchior Treub and Hermann Hellriegel were not so quick to reject Schwendener's ideas and the concept soon spread into other areas of study, such as microbial, plant, animal and human pathogens. When the complex relationships between pathogenic microorganisms and their hosts were finally identifiedórefuting the idea of holistic organismsóSchwendener's hypothesis began to gain popularity. Further experimental proof of the dual nature of lichens was obtained when Eugen Thomas published his results in 1939 on the first successful re-synthesis experiment.
If a mother miscarries that means her baby died. Everything has to be alive before it can die, even humans, even if that somehow interferes with your desire of, and obsession with killing babies with abortion.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#2555 Mar 29, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
Judaism has changed.
What do you think of this article?
http://www.jewishjournal.com/dennis_prager/ar...
One, it's nothing but an opinion, written by a journalist. It's not an official position on Judaism.

Two, even it doesn't refute what "anon" said.

Did you HAVE a point, Witless?
anon

Tupelo, MS

#2556 Mar 29, 2013
A uranium atom also has a life along with chickens and the sun. A women is free to decide what to do with part of her body.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#2557 Mar 29, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
One, it's nothing but an opinion, written by a journalist. It's not an official position on Judaism.
Two, even it doesn't refute what "anon" said.
Did you HAVE a point, Witless?
Yes my point was that I was asking anon his opinion on the article. DID YOU HAVE A POINT?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#2558 Mar 29, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes my point was that I was asking anon his opinion on the article. DID YOU HAVE A POINT?
Uh huh, sure it was.

Like everything else you post as "proof" of your statements, you skimmed a bit, decided from that little bit it supported your claim that Judaism has changed, and posted a link.

You've been hanging around June too long.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#2559 Mar 29, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh huh, sure it was.
Like everything else you post as "proof" of your statements, you skimmed a bit, decided from that little bit it supported your claim that Judaism has changed, and posted a link.
You've been hanging around June too long.
It wasn't presented as proof. It was presented as another opinion.

I wasn't expecting you to mull it over, I presented it for someone more open minded.
anon

Tupelo, MS

#2560 Mar 29, 2013
I never followed your link. Religious beliefs are just that beliefs. Show me hard core data as evidence that a women is not a free person to do with her body as she wants.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#2561 Mar 29, 2013
anon wrote:
I never followed your link. Religious beliefs are just that beliefs. Show me hard core data as evidence that a women is not a free person to do with her body as she wants.
Then why did you bring up Judaism?

You said
One can say that life begins at or near birth, measured by fetal viability outside the motherís body.(Judaism affirms something close to this position.) After all, somewhere between 50 and 60 percent of all embryos conceived miscarry. Not to mention testn tub fertilization
anon

Tupelo, MS

#2562 Mar 29, 2013
""Then why did you bring up Judaism?"
==========
Because different religion has different beliefs just as each individual is responsible for their own beliefs.
A free woman has the freedom to do what she wants with her body and does not have to have beliefs in a religion. I could not care less what a religion tells you to do. If history is any measure of behavior, laws do not stop women from ending pregnancy. Being legal was just more profit for doctors. I suspect that the church started losing some cash when it was made legal.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#2563 Mar 29, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why did you bring up Judaism?
You said
One can say that life begins at or near birth, measured by fetal viability outside the motherís body.(Judaism affirms something close to this position.) After all, somewhere between 50 and 60 percent of all embryos conceived miscarry. Not to mention testn tub fertilization
He brought it up, because the poster to whom the reply was directed brought it up first.

Then you horned in on the one thing you thought would divert the conversation, in a direction away from the gist of the original conversation.

It's what you do.

It's all you can do.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#2564 Mar 30, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>He brought it up, because the poster to whom the reply was directed brought it up first.
Then you horned in on the one thing you thought would divert the conversation, in a direction away from the gist of the original conversation.
It's what you do.
It's all you can do.
Oh, you pounded THAT nail! That is what she does.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#2567 Apr 20, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
A pregnant woman is a mother. A mother is a parent.
When a pregnant woman drinks alcohol, so does her unborn baby. Alcohol in the mother's blood passes through the placenta to the baby through the umbilical cord. Drinking alcohol during pregnancy can cause miscarriage, stillbirth, and a range of lifelong disorders, known as fetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASDs). There is no known safe time to drink alcohol during pregnancy. Drinking alcohol in the first three months of pregnancy can cause the baby to have abnormal facial features. Growth and central nervous system problems (e.g., low birthweight, behavioral problems) can occur from drinking alcohol anytime during pregnancy. The babyís brain is developing throughout pregnancy and can be damaged at any time.
If a woman is drinking alcohol during pregnancy, it is never too late to stop. The sooner a woman stops drinking, the better it will be for both her baby and herself.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 1600 Clifton Rd. Atlanta, GA 30333, USA
800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636) TTY:(888) 232-6348
http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/fasd/index.html
Mass cannot be converted to energy. Mass is a constant that can be either matter or energy. Matter can be convertyed to energy, and energy can be converted to matter.
What do you say about the thousands and thousands of fertilized embryos in freezers across the nation, and the ones flushed away by in vitro clinics daily, which are thought of as 'extraneous' by the parents?

Do you denounce those places, and rail against them as well?

Or do you reserve your sanctimony and abhorrence for women who decline to remain pregnant?

Just checking.
Rod Knox

Tupelo, MS

#2568 Apr 20, 2013
Are pregnant women to abstain from receiving sacrament for the duration of their pregnancy?

How did Europe survive all these centuries? But maybe Martin Luther and Pope Urban II were born with fetal alcohol syndrome.

Just go back to your solitaire game Tupelo and Rio Linda residents. This doesn't concern you.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#2569 Apr 20, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>What do you say about the thousands and thousands of fertilized embryos in freezers across the nation, and the ones flushed away by in vitro clinics daily, which are thought of as 'extraneous' by the parents?
Do you denounce those places, and rail against them as well?
Or do you reserve your sanctimony and abhorrence for women who decline to remain pregnant?
Just checking.
Embryos can no more be fertilized than adults can be fertilized. You are insane.
Hall of Famer Ted Williams' head and body are being stored in separate containers at an Arizona cryonics lab. ChaCha again!
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#2570 Apr 20, 2013
anon wrote:
""Then why did you bring up Judaism?"
==========
Because different religion has different beliefs just as each individual is responsible for their own beliefs.
A free woman has the freedom to do what she wants with her body and does not have to have beliefs in a religion. I could not care less what a religion tells you to do. If history is any measure of behavior, laws do not stop women from ending pregnancy. Being legal was just more profit for doctors. I suspect that the church started losing some cash when it was made legal.
Laws do not stop women from using drugs, yet drugs are illegal. Laws do not stop women from driving drunk, yet drunk driving is illegal. As should abortion be illegal.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#2571 Apr 20, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Embryos can no more be fertilized than adults can be fertilized. You are insane.
Hall of Famer Ted Williams' head and body are being stored in separate containers at an Arizona cryonics lab. ChaCha again!
Way to dodge the question. Do you defend the lives of fertilized ova which are flushed by in vitro fertilization clinics, or do you reserve your sanctimony and abhorrence for women who decline to remain pregnant?
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#2572 Apr 20, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Way to dodge the question. Do you defend the lives of fertilized ova which are flushed by in vitro fertilization clinics, or do you reserve your sanctimony and abhorrence for women who decline to remain pregnant?
Ova can be fertilized, however the term "fertilized ova" is a misnomer. Since once fertilized, the ova no longer exists, instead a new human life has begain. Misnomers often arise because the thing named received its name long before its true nature was known.
Loaded question
A loaded question is a multiple choice question which fails to disclaim the implied suggestion that an exhaustive list of applicable choices is being offered.
Example Question: Have you quit smoking?
Problem: A simple 'yes' answer to the aggregated question implies a tacit acknowledgement on the part of the respondent that he or she used to smoke, whereas answering 'no' self-identifies the respondent as an active smoker. Neither choice is applicable for a respondent who has never been a smoker.
Ocean56

AOL

#2573 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
Laws do not stop women from using drugs, yet drugs are illegal. Laws do not stop women from driving drunk, yet drunk driving is illegal. As should abortion be illegal.
Abortion being made illegal would FORCE women to stay pregnant and give birth against their will. That is precisely what the ANTI-CHOICE movement wants, and that has been clear from 1973.

What you're pissed about is that abortion IS legal and a woman can choose NOT to stay pregnant and give birth. Too bad for you. Motherhood is OPTIONAL for women, not required. Live with it.

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