About Town: Will Town Meeting Support the Purchase of the Glen Echo Property?

Jun 6, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Patch.com

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turnpike

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We should put more low income housing there!
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April 2011 Joe Scardino opposes purchase of Glen Echo. June 2011 Joe Scardino newly voted CPA treasurer now strongly advocates purchase of Glen Echo. Wow, how genuine!
Bozo

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This Town is Funny... A real Circus!

The BOS is made up of... 2 Clowns, 1 sword swallower, 1 Spineless geek and a Large lazy bearded Lady!

Live on the inside...!!!
Scuze me

Stoughton, MA

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I was referring to the CPA committee member and new appointed treasurer. Nothing to do with the BOS, however, nonights antics made them look weak. Please also lay off the gender bender references, which is the only reference you made that can be identified. Your point entirely I'm sure.

Interesting that the BOS and FinCom carried little to no weight tonight or is is just the typical end of TM blur where anything and everything can and will be approved?
Site Ranger

Hanson, MA

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Bozo wrote:
This Town is Funny... A real Circus!
The BOS is made up of... 2 Clowns, 1 sword swallower, 1 Spineless geek and a Large lazy bearded Lady!
Live on the inside...!!!
For once I agree with you & very funny also!
tweedle dee

North Falmouth, MA

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Jun 7, 2011
 
"Rock Bottom Price" for Glen Echo! I haven't seen anyone lined up to by it in the past 8 years, if it's such a steal why wasn't it purchased during the real estate boom 8 years ago, nice thought but what if Algonquin comes back for the gas line, now it will surely go right past the Dawe School. We now lose the tax revenue on it, will have to put up fence around the pond (for such a large waterfront the insurance/liability is going to be quite high, and lastly why would you pay more for a property than its value 2 months ago (I only see rel estate prices going down or stable not up),
enough already

Hanson, MA

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Jun 7, 2011
 
The landowner, while eager to sell, did not want to see it developed into a tract housing.
Said housing would have cost the town more money than any tax revenues it brought in.
If Algonquin ever comes back, the town will be in the driver's seat and a deal will be on our terms, not the landowners.

There is not fencing around any other pond in town including Ames pond which is accessible on the causeway and most of it's perimeter. Ditto for Bird street where boundaries are also not marked,(as well as my own yard which has no fence from my neighbors.)

If the landowner's estate executors were in control, it could have been sold to anyone and for any purpose.
The appraisal was too low (that's why you do several) and the landowner was not willing to sell for the other appraisal.

If you are strictly looking at this in economic terms, property values throughout the town are increased by amenities such as open space and recreation. Additionally, the more open space a town has, the lower the taxes as a general principle since residential taxes don't cover the cost of town services.

Even taking into account the increased tax base that results from development, open space usually proves easier on the municipal budget in the long-run.
tweedle dee

North Falmouth, MA

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Jun 7, 2011
 
I don't know how you can feel we will be in the drivers seat with Algonquin unless we are willing to sell them Glen Echo and then they give what they don't need back to us, big utility go where they need/want. Remember to get a bank note, just like purchasing a house if the bank appraisal is lower than 1.25 million, they won't give the money, since they own it til we pay it off. Ames Pond is a gradual slope beach where it is accessible to the public. Have you even every been to GLen Echo, in some spots, when you step in you're over your head and its a long shoreline, not only accessible from your back yard. You wait, if someone drowns, like their have been in the past, on more than 1 occassion, the town is liable and you know how sue happy everyone is these days. JUust thought that @ 65% slush money in that fund could pay for repair/projects to Town hall and various other town builiding which qualify instead of their measly 10% share of it
The Real Site Ranger

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First off, there is something call recreational use statute in the Mass General Laws and it is upheld in the courts which is why open space and recreational lands not to mention school properties, pick your own farms and so on and so on, are able to stay open to the public without realizing liability. Through postings, liability is accepted by the user.

Second, have no idea what your bantering about above tweedle dee as Algonquin can still go through GE and "mitigate" the town with monies or otherwise to be negotiated. Lets not forget, they only went through Glen Echo when a resident proposed the route in lieu of the Dawe route when the town was sitting on it's thumbs doing nothing.

What ever takes place in the future does not require the purchase of GE, but what ever "mitigation" the Town feels would be an acceptable value for the gas route usage.

What troubles me was that was not even discussed last evening and Algonquin/Spectra has a proposed project, AIM in the works as we speak that may or may not bring them back our way.

Finally, I am also troubled with the need for @250K to pay for "expenses". That is way to high and I suspect much of it will go direct to "The Trustees" for services rendered, but not really billed...wink, wink.
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The Real Site Ranger wrote:
First off, there is something call recreational use statute in the Mass General Laws and it is upheld in the courts which is why open space and recreational lands not to mention school properties, pick your own farms and so on and so on, are able to stay open to the public without realizing liability. Through postings, liability is accepted by the user.
Second, have no idea what your bantering about above tweedle dee as Algonquin can still go through GE and "mitigate" the town with monies or otherwise to be negotiated. Lets not forget, they only went through Glen Echo when a resident proposed the route in lieu of the Dawe route when the town was sitting on it's thumbs doing nothing.
What ever takes place in the future does not require the purchase of GE, but what ever "mitigation" the Town feels would be an acceptable value for the gas route usage.
What troubles me was that was not even discussed last evening and Algonquin/Spectra has a proposed project, AIM in the works as we speak that may or may not bring them back our way.
Finally, I am also troubled with the need for @250K to pay for "expenses". That is way to high and I suspect much of it will go direct to "The Trustees" for services rendered, but not really billed...wink, wink.
UP TO $250,000. The ancillary costs are not known. It is likely to be far less, but why go through the expense of calling a special Town meeting. It was stated last night the Trust for Public Land will be paid to help with the grant (they were already successful with Libby Farm) and for expenses related to work previously done such as the appraisals and research. All is above board and not "wink, wink".
The Real Site Ranger

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What I meant by the wink wink is that Mr Morton has been trying to set aside that range of money to be given to the Trust for Public Land since and possibly prior to Algonquin stepping in. The Trust is supposed to conduct their work with their own monies and does not in anyway hold itself out as a paid consultant. Yet that is how they are treated with this project even before they were engaged during Algonquin and with the Libby farm. I have no problem paying them something, but it should be out in the open. I believe they received several hundred thousand on the libby project. Can you confirm? I do not believe they should receive half of the grant monies or anywhere close, on this project either. We could do much better elsewhere. They nearly screwed this one as it is negotiating way to high to begin with. Problem is, Morton will never ever admit to any wrong doing by the trust or by him. Don't want to pick on him either, but he crossed some lines last night with his "background" information too. There was a lot of spinning and I ask why if there is nothing to hide?
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The Real Site Ranger wrote:
What I meant by the wink wink is that Mr Morton has been trying to set aside that range of money to be given to the Trust for Public Land since and possibly prior to Algonquin stepping in. The Trust is supposed to conduct their work with their own monies and does not in anyway hold itself out as a paid consultant. Yet that is how they are treated with this project even before they were engaged during Algonquin and with the Libby farm. I have no problem paying them something, but it should be out in the open. I believe they received several hundred thousand on the libby project. Can you confirm? I do not believe they should receive half of the grant monies or anywhere close, on this project either. We could do much better elsewhere. They nearly screwed this one as it is negotiating way to high to begin with. Problem is, Morton will never ever admit to any wrong doing by the trust or by him. Don't want to pick on him either, but he crossed some lines last night with his "background" information too. There was a lot of spinning and I ask why if there is nothing to hide?
Ah. No. They DO NOT get paid. They received money, a substantial amount not "a couple hundred thousand" from the Libby Farm landowner to offset their costs and allow them to continue. It is frequently done as a donation (the Trust is non-profit) by the landowner to help pay estate taxes, since the donation is tax-deductible. But definitely not by the town.
However, Libby Farm being a good example, they were responsible for the town receiving more than half a million dollars in grant money to pay for that project. They didn't receive ANY of the grant money, not allowed to, and were never paid by the town.
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There was a lot of spinning and I ask why if there is nothing to hide?
Spinning?
The Real Site Ranger

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Yes, spinning. What was your interpretation of how Algonquin came into the Gibson land? How much was "gifted" to the Trust with the Libby property and how much will be "gifted" to the Trust for GE? I did not mean they would be paid from the grant but rather I do not feel they should receive half the value of the grant or anything close to it which is what has been not only suggested, but slated with each budget "cost" assessment. These are projected costs and should be available now. I believe they have been consistently held out to be in the quarter of a million range but the bottom line, less any "gifting" to the Trust comes no where near that amount.
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Nice of Mr. Morton to respond here!

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What a snooze... LOL!

Drink up!
Floyd Lawson

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When will they put a big Red Sign with the White X on it on that Green Eye sore on Park St???

That Place is a Dump and the Large Lady should be fined!

Maybe thats what she has done for the town?

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