Farmington Valley Communities Want To...

Farmington Valley Communities Want Town Side Of Budgets Flat

There are 26 comments on the Hartford Courant story from Feb 17, 2009, titled Farmington Valley Communities Want Town Side Of Budgets Flat. In it, Hartford Courant reports that:

The mantra is the same when it comes to budget increases in the Farmington Valley: zero, zero, zero.

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No recession for BOE

East Windsor, CT

#1 Feb 17, 2009
Too bad Farmington Mike Clark, Toxic Astroturfer, cant deliver his message to the insatiable Board of Ed.

Taxpayers have had enough.
avid reader

Pawling, NY

#2 Feb 17, 2009
Well, I hate to get back onto a subject that I've ranted on before, but we have satiated our budgets with too many cops, too many cruisers, too many pensions, too many workers compensation claims of town employees - all so that we can pull over a few more motorists. I don't care whether you're talking about turning right on red or whether you're talking about DUI -- we don't have the luxury of 100% enforcement. We don't have the money to station cadres of cops along route 4 all night Friday and Saturday on the hope that we can pull over some kid trying to drive home from Hartford with a little too much to drink. I've always said - same with guns - if you hurt somebody, you pay a step penalty - jail time and lot's of it. But if we're paying thousands of dollars per hour just to maybe catch someone to justify the expense of the expedition - we just can't afford to keep doing that. Law enforcement is expensive. Preventative enforcement is ridiculously expensive.
Waldo 313

Marietta, GA

#3 Feb 17, 2009
No, it's not "about maintaining services". It's about cops, firemen, teachers and municipal workers engorging themselves at the trough. Because of "contractual obligations" budgets will keep rising faster than the taxpayers' salary increases.
avid reader

Pawling, NY

#4 Feb 17, 2009
Waldo 313 wrote:
No, it's not "about maintaining services". It's about cops, firemen, teachers and municipal workers engorging themselves at the trough. Because of "contractual obligations" budgets will keep rising faster than the taxpayers' salary increases.
Very true. Never mind the "entitlement" mentality of these people, that will take generations to change. What I can't understand is how we as taxpayers keep giving in to their cries for more manpower, more equipment, more hours, more everything. If we would just reduce their numbers maybe we would get a break. Look at all the cops in Cheshire. Did that stop the Petit tragedy? Look at yesterday on I84. Dozens of cops blocking traffic for hours. For what? Is this how we want to spend our money? Look, after the fact there's always dozens of cops on scene. In greater numbers than we actually need. They're never there before the fact, despite their great numbers. Cops don't solve crimes. They arrive after the crime. Think about it. Oh, and they pull over motorists. Yeah!
DONT GET ME STARTED

New Haven, CT

#5 Feb 17, 2009
Waldo, the only town that has paid firefighters is farmington, and believe me, they're not overpaid- rather for the work that they do, they are underpaid! Believe me I know! I think that they need to take a look at the cops and teacher salaries, which are all way over the top!
Miss Anthropic

Manchester, CT

#6 Feb 17, 2009
Waldo 313 wrote:
No, it's not "about maintaining services". It's about cops, firemen, teachers and municipal workers engorging themselves at the trough. Because of "contractual obligations" budgets will keep rising faster than the taxpayers' salary increases.
you're kidding, right?
Simsburyite

Meriden, CT

#7 Feb 17, 2009
Simsbury Super Ullman wants almost a 4% increase, and the school system under HER leadersip has dropped from 2 to 8 or less.. Come one, get rid of here.. did she get her raise she was asking as well? Bring Townsley back..Bring him back as a consultant, like the State does.. he'll save us some money. NOW.. FIRE HER!
CANTON VOTER

Southington, CT

#8 Feb 17, 2009
Mr. Barlow let me be as clear as i can. you cut the police force budget which has nothing as it is. The town does not have enough police to cover the town properly. You yourself voted to hire another officer in january 09 because you saw the need. Now youve changed your toon and not only cut that officer position but are planning on cutting the deputy chief of police position. Meanwhile the scool board sees an increase in spending. If you need to cut why dont you cut the CAO position and his asistant and run the town yourself with the board of selectman and board of finance. This would save you 150,000 would it not. Instead you chose to go after the most vital service in town YOUR POLICE. These guys are out there all the time respoding to calls to help the elderly,accident victims,assault victims,Domestic victims and the list goes on. In tough economic times the crime increases which it is currently doing in our so clled quiet town. Wake up and smell what your shoveling. Dont touch the police. This is a service that is desperately needed. And I found your comment insulting on looking into the resident trooper program to replace your officers. Why dont you take 10 more steps backwards so you are in 1970 again you zero. By the way the state is stopping the funding of that program so be glad you have your own police force that will respond to the needs of the town where the state will not. You also have many police in Canton that live in Canton. This should concern you as they all VOTE!. START MESSING WITH THE POLICE AND I CAN ASSURE YOU YOU WILL BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE. TOMALONIAS WAS BETTER THAN YOU. bY THE WAY MANY OF US WILL BE AT THE BOARD OF SELECTMANS MEETING WENSDAY NIGHT TO MAKE SURE YOU DONT TOUCH THE POLICE. THIS ALSO INCLUDES MR. GILCREST WHO THINKS HE'S BACK IN 1950. THANK GOD THAT DRONE IS NOT RUNNING AGAIN. ASLO IN CLOSING THE POLICE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH VEHICLES AND AS A CANTON TAX PAYER I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO CUT THEM! SEE YOU WENSDAY.
Well then

Milford, CT

#9 Feb 17, 2009
If someone could get through that last dribble, they'd find an important message there.

In Canton, they're talking about doing away with the Deputy Chief of Police as a cost saver.

This is a silly idea in a town that hasn't enough coverage as it is.

If you want to do something with costs, perhaps re-assign him in a supervisory position to patrol again so that we have the coverage we need. Also talk to New Hartford, Avon, Farmington and Burlington about regionalization in dispatch, and other avenues that would save tons of money over one position.

Why does Avon, and Canton need a dispatch center staffed 24x7x365. Many times the radio is dead silent for hours on end where nothing is happening. Farmington already dispatches Burlington, and New Hartford has a resident trooper. There are many ways to save money.

Unfortunately is seems no one has had the foresight to work on savings until this economic situation has occured and now are rushing to do feel good cost savers that will cost more in the end.

Managers who cut staff to balance budgets are short sighted. This isn't the over bloated State employee base you're talking about, it's a very small police department.
Corruption

United States

#10 Feb 17, 2009
Waldo 313 wrote:
No, it's not "about maintaining services". It's about cops, firemen, teachers and municipal workers engorging themselves at the trough. Because of "contractual obligations" budgets will keep rising faster than the taxpayers' salary increases.
Time to renegotiate the Contracts or Cut way back.

Also time to cut Administrators salaries and bring them down to where they belong.

TAXPAYERS REVOLT - NO NEW TAXES!!!!

IN FACT LET's CUT THEM....LOL
Avid Reader

West Springfield, MA

#11 Feb 17, 2009
Well then wrote:
If someone could get through that last dribble, they'd find an important message there.
In Canton, they're talking about doing away with the Deputy Chief of Police as a cost saver.
This is a silly idea in a town that hasn't enough coverage as it is.
If you want to do something with costs, perhaps re-assign him in a supervisory position to patrol again so that we have the coverage we need. Also talk to New Hartford, Avon, Farmington and Burlington about regionalization in dispatch, and other avenues that would save tons of money over one position.
Why does Avon, and Canton need a dispatch center staffed 24x7x365. Many times the radio is dead silent for hours on end where nothing is happening. Farmington already dispatches Burlington, and New Hartford has a resident trooper. There are many ways to save money.
Unfortunately is seems no one has had the foresight to work on savings until this economic situation has occured and now are rushing to do feel good cost savers that will cost more in the end.
Managers who cut staff to balance budgets are short sighted. This isn't the over bloated State employee base you're talking about, it's a very small police department.
I don't even know what to say anymore so I might as well just sit and be quiet. We have too many police. Dispatch quiet for hours? Unless you consider being parked on Rt 44 running radar or license plates being "busy," the Avon cops are not busy. Neither are the Canton cops. Same with Farmington. The entire Valley should be combined into a unified district and budgets cut across the board, town, school, services, everything.
common cents

Hamden, CT

#12 Feb 17, 2009
give the cops in the valley prius's and squirt guns. That will reduce gas they use and ammunition they waste. After all they get paid well enough, they won't complain too long
Sheepdog

Winsted, CT

#13 Feb 17, 2009
Well, Obama signing his Economic "Stick-it-to-Us" package will guarantee a nice long period of recession, inflation and stagnation.

Hope, change, Obama-Obama!
Sheepdog

Winsted, CT

#14 Feb 17, 2009
Corruption wrote:
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Time to renegotiate the Contracts or Cut way back.
Also time to cut Administrators salaries and bring them down to where they belong.
TAXPAYERS REVOLT - NO NEW TAXES!!!!
IN FACT LET's CUT THEM....LOL
Nothing personal, but the cry should be to Washington. These towns and States are jumping on the band wagon for federal subsidies because the feds don't have to anzwer to anyone.
Thin Blue Line

United States

#15 Feb 17, 2009
common cents wrote:
give the cops in the valley prius's and squirt guns. That will reduce gas they use and ammunition they waste. After all they get paid well enough, they won't complain too long
I guess they'll let anyone who can spell their name post on these boards...
common cents

Hamden, CT

#16 Feb 17, 2009
Thin Blue Line wrote:
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I guess they'll let anyone who can spell their name post on these boards...
No, just taxpayers who have an opinion.
Thin Blue Line

United States

#17 Feb 18, 2009
In theory, you're right. It's just too bad they don't require an actual intelligent thought in order to post.
Jack

Southington, CT

#18 Feb 18, 2009
Did I just read that The Deputy Police Chief who has been an employee in good standing for the Town of Canton for the last 24 year's is now being told he may loose his job? What does that say to other officers and employees who work for the town?
You have a Chief who sits behind a closed door everyday, but says he has an open door policy. You have a Chief who is more excited to run out and direct traffic at a minor motor vehicle accident then do his job as Chief. Tell me what other town do you see the Chief out directing traffic?You have a Chief who's position was required to get his Bachelors degree when he was promoted to that position. Has he?
The Deputy Police Chief has met all of his requirements set upon by the town. He has his bachelors degree with no request from the town to receive it.
How did this come about out of the blue? Was the Chief of Police not informed he may loose his second in command or was he to busy behind his closed door or directing traffic and not able to make the meeting to discuss this important matter?
Mr. Barlow you say you will cut programs and services how does cutting the deputy police chief's postion fit into that?
I myself will be at tonights meeting and from what I have heard so will alot of other tax payers.
The Town of Canton is not employee friendly and it is time for them to understand they cannot treat good employees like this.
To cut an employee of 24 years is WRONG. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Maybe you should ask the Chief of Directing Traffic to RETIRE.
Just curious

Newington, CT

#19 Feb 18, 2009
avid reader wrote:
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Look, after the fact there's always dozens of cops on scene. In greater numbers than we actually need. They're never there before the fact, despite their great numbers. Cops don't solve crimes. They arrive after the crime.
How can the cops be there BEFORE a crime is committed? Do you want to hire psychic cops? Would that make you happy?? Also, you have no idea how many robberies have been prevented because a cop is in the area. What robber is going to hold up dunkin donuts while a cop is in there? We'll never know, because the robber didn't commit the crime - all because an officer was in the area.
Townie

United States

#20 Feb 18, 2009
Jack wrote:
I myself will be at tonights meeting and from what I have heard so will alot of other tax payers.
The Town of Canton is not employee friendly and it is time for them to understand they cannot treat good employees like this.
I agree 100%. I'm tired of finding out about all the backdoor politics that goes on in these selectman meetings. They were elected to represent the will of the taxpayers...it's about time they're held to that standard.

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