Canton Schools' Drug Sweep In June Still Reverberates

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Canton Father

Canton, CT

#389 Oct 11, 2008
Grunds wrote:
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yea except that it's impossible to "lose your life" to marijuana.
From the National Institute of Health:

Q: How is marijuana harmful?
A: Marijuana can be harmful in a number of ways, through immediate effects and through damage to health over time.

Marijuana hinders the user’s short-term memory (memory for recent events), and he or she may have trouble handling complex tasks. With the use of more potent varieties of marijuana, even simple tasks can be difficult.

Because of the drug’s effects on perceptions and reaction time, users could be involved in auto crashes. Drug users also may become involved in risky sexual behaviors, which could lead to the spread of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

Under the influence of marijuana, students may find it hard to study and learn. Young athletes could find their performance is off; timing, movements, and coordination are all affected by THC.

Some of the more long-range effects of marijuana use are described later in this document.

Q: What are the long-term effects of marijuana?
A: Although all of the long-term effects of marijuana use are not yet known, there are studies showing serious health concerns. For example, a group of scientists in California examined the health status of 450 daily smokers of marijuana, but not tobacco. They found that the marijuana smokers had more sick days and more doctor visits for respiratory problems and other types of illness than did a similar group who did not smoke either substance.

Findings so far show that the regular use of marijuana may play a role in cancer and problems of the immune and respiratory systems.

Cancer
It is hard to find out whether marijuana alone causes cancer, because many people who smoke marijuana also smoke cigarettes and use other drugs. Marijuana smoke contains some of the same cancer-causing compounds as tobacco, sometimes in higher concentrations. Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per day may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day.

Tobacco smoke and marijuana smoke may work together to change the tissues lining the respiratory tract. Marijuana smoking could contribute to early development of head and neck cancer in some people.

Immune system
Our immune system protects the body from many agents that cause disease. It is not certain whether marijuana damages the immune system of people. But both animal and human studies have shown that marijuana impairs the ability of T-cells in the lungs’ immune system to fight off some infections.

Lungs and airways
People who smoke marijuana regularly may develop many of the same breathing problems that tobacco smokers have, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent chest colds, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency toward obstructed airways. Marijuana smokers usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer, which increases the lungs’ exposure to toxic chemicals and irritants.
meto

Deltona, FL

#390 Oct 11, 2008
Probable cause is a joke,I have been around enough law-enforcement to know how they abuse this. If a cop wants to stop you he or she will,if they want to search you they will. I was at a party a few years back and my neighbor who was a state policeman was talking to a couple of other local cops. He used to use colored chalk to mark tires in club parking lots,each color was a different time, example; Blue= 9p.m. so if he saw that color on a car tire at 1a.m he figured that he had a D.U.I.Trust the fact that they create probable cause.
tarp walker

Peoria, IL

#391 Oct 12, 2008
I appriciate the comments from my dems in th NE but what do you know about politics and society in the Mid westeven though this is IL it is not chicago. far away as a matter of fact this is an on going struggle. We live in a police state based on the morality of who has a gun. ACLU doesnt aply. police have the law so they say.
townie

Avon, CT

#392 Oct 13, 2008
Misplaced Texan wrote:
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I'm curious what the average would be in field conditions, and I still object to using the dogs in a random search, regardless of what it stated in the school handbook. If the superintendent said they had no reason to suspect anything before initiating this search, why was the search done? To me, that presents a "guilty until proven innocent" attitude toward ALL students.
I understand the point you're trying to make, and since I don't have the information concening natinoal averages, I won't try to argue this point further right now.
This whole policy seems pretty sketchy to me.
I'm also curious if the administrative offices, faculty lounges and cars in the faculty parking lot were included in this search, or in the school's random drug search policy.
Yes, all cars were searched including the teachers Students and teachers share the same parking areas...and they did not receive notification until just prior to the search, after school had already started.. Individual classrooms were not searched nor were individual students. The dogs remained in the hallways. And for the record, I applaud the search and will encourage future searches. In this day and time, we can never be too safe. It is a public place where drugs are not allowed, whether you like it or not, no "rights" were violated. Why don't you have a problem with searches at the airport or at courthouses?
Parents and students know the policy, and drugs should not be brought into school or on the property. In this case...cause or not, the administration and the police had every right to "search" which by the way they didn't actually "search" anything until the dog had a "hit" on a particular car or locker. This would be an entirely different story if a student sat in his car and got high, brought in a weapon to the school and everyone would wonder "where was the administration?" "Why didn't they see this coming?"

Everyone knows ALL schools have students involved with drugs...the school has an obligation to protect the students and if that means a search...then so be it. Proactive responses are better than not attempting to address them at all. Whether you like the outcome or not!

“Death to humans!”

Since: Jul 08

A long way from here...

#393 Oct 13, 2008
Hope from Enfield wrote:
<quoted text>. Ayn Rand created a doctrine of rational hedonism, supported by unfettered capitalism and the rights of successful individuals at the expense of the community. A devout atheist, She taught that charity is not a virtue.
I am so thankful that I have a different meaning of our lives.
Actually, she supported the rights of ANY individual, and to say that it is at the EXPENSE of the community is inaccurate. The community is nothing BUT individuals. But, if you think it's OK to trample over the rights of an individual for the good of the "community," I guess you wouldn't have a problem trampling the rights of small groups of people for the good of the "community," either. Sound familiar????

“Death to humans!”

Since: Jul 08

A long way from here...

#394 Oct 13, 2008
townie wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, all cars were searched including the teachers Students and teachers share the same parking areas...and they did not receive notification until just prior to the search, after school had already started.. Individual classrooms were not searched nor were individual students. The dogs remained in the hallways. And for the record, I applaud the search and will encourage future searches. In this day and time, we can never be too safe. It is a public place where drugs are not allowed, whether you like it or not, no "rights" were violated. Why don't you have a problem with searches at the airport or at courthouses?
Parents and students know the policy, and drugs should not be brought into school or on the property. In this case...cause or not, the administration and the police had every right to "search" which by the way they didn't actually "search" anything until the dog had a "hit" on a particular car or locker. This would be an entirely different story if a student sat in his car and got high, brought in a weapon to the school and everyone would wonder "where was the administration?" "Why didn't they see this coming?"
Everyone knows ALL schools have students involved with drugs...the school has an obligation to protect the students and if that means a search...then so be it. Proactive responses are better than not attempting to address them at all. Whether you like the outcome or not!
Good to know - at least the faculty was subject to the same scrutiny. However, I would argue (despite what courts say) that bringing in a dog constitutes a search. I'm also of the opinion that by conducting these searches the school is presuming every student to be guilty until proven otherwise, rather than the reverse. They might as well pat everyone down on their way in the front door everyday.

Yes, drugs are not allowed on school property. However, they had no reason to believe anything was present on campus. Why bring in the cops?

“Death to humans!”

Since: Jul 08

A long way from here...

#395 Oct 13, 2008
Hope from Enfield wrote:
<quoted text>. Ayn Rand created a doctrine of rational hedonism, supported by unfettered capitalism and the rights of successful individuals at the expense of the community. A devout atheist, She taught that charity is not a virtue.
I am so thankful that I have a different meaning of our lives.
Rand rejected the notion of "rational" or "ethical" hedonism.

- To take "whatever makes one happy" as a guide to action means: to be guided by nothing but one's emotional whims. Emotions are not tools of cognition.... This is the fallacy inherent in hedonism--in any variant of ethical hedonism, personal or social, individual or collective. "Happiness" can properly be the purpose of ethics, but not the standard. The task of ethics is to define man's proper code of values and thus to give him the means of achieving happiness. To declare, as the ethical hedonists do, that "the proper value is whatever gives you pleasure" is to declare that "the proper value is whatever you happen to value"--which is an act of intellectual and philosophical abdication, an act which merely proclaims the futility of ethics and invites all men to play it deuces wild.

Since: Jun 08

Newington, CT

#396 Oct 13, 2008
In response to Canton Father:

Did you read that article carefully?
All it says is that MJ MAY slow down your reaction time and MAY lead to other risky behaviors, but in no way states how marijuana itself can lead to an immediate death.
THEN it goes on to state that the long term effects of marijuana aren't even known yet, so all they have is speculation!
And I didn't look, but if I had to bet I'd say the National Institute of Health is run by the government, so it's obviously going to bend the truth because the government wants us to be afraid of marijuana.
You know, I can't help but laugh at the anti-marijuana commercials out now. They even admit that the biggest danger of using is missing out on other things because you are wasting your time being high. They can't even show the drug is dangerous....they simply show that if you are using marijuana, you may be tempted to sit in front of the tv giggling over pink floyd's the wall and eating potato chips. Marijuana users are the least dangerous people in the world.
With that said, I recognize that it is still illegal, and while I find that to be completely bogus (especailly considering that far more dangerous drugs like tobacco and alcohol are legalized), I agree that bringing it to school is probably not a good plan, and that the student described in the story did deserve to be reprimanded in some way. However, that is a law that clearly needs to be changed. It's outdated and ridiculous.
Canton Father

Canton, CT

#397 Oct 14, 2008
Grunds wrote:
In response to Canton Father:
Did you read that article carefully?
Yup, I read the article. Yes, it is from the government. More importantly, I’ve experienced the negative effects first hand. I’m not some anti-drug zealot blindly following what the government tells me to do. When I was younger I smoked more than my fair share of marijuana. Driving while stoned is really stupid and is really dangerous. Perception and reaction times are greatly effected. One of my stoner friends killed himself by driving his motorcycle into the back of a tractor trailer parked on the side of I-84. He loved the rush of speeding on a motorcycle while stoned. Have you ever been to a funeral for a 20 year old? I have. You are right about sitting around and giggling at Pink Floyd and the munchies. But, the part about “missing out” you missed is missing out on an education. I missed too many classes in college because of preferring to be stoned. The article also talked about addiction, and it can happen with marijuana. I got to the point where I kept the pipe next to my bed because I couldn’t sleep through the night without waking up and taking a few hits. Also, smoking marijuana did lead me to experiment with more potent and dangerous drugs. I was lucky and did not get hooked on cocaine and did not have a bad experience with LSD or mushrooms, or speed. Some of my friends were not as lucky. The bottom line is that marijuana is not a benign as many claim it is. The information from the government is accurate. I don’t want kids to make the same mistakes I made when I was younger. The school and the town did the right thing.

Since: May 08

Ansonia, CT

#398 Oct 14, 2008
Canton Father wrote:
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Yup, I read the article. Yes, it is from the government. More importantly, I’ve experienced the negative effects first hand. I’m not some anti-drug zealot blindly following what the government tells me to do. When I was younger I smoked more than my fair share of marijuana. Driving while stoned is really stupid and is really dangerous. Perception and reaction times are greatly effected. One of my stoner friends killed himself by driving his motorcycle into the back of a tractor trailer parked on the side of I-84. He loved the rush of speeding on a motorcycle while stoned. Have you ever been to a funeral for a 20 year old? I have. You are right about sitting around and giggling at Pink Floyd and the munchies. But, the part about “missing out” you missed is missing out on an education. I missed too many classes in college because of preferring to be stoned. The article also talked about addiction, and it can happen with marijuana. I got to the point where I kept the pipe next to my bed because I couldn’t sleep through the night without waking up and taking a few hits. Also, smoking marijuana did lead me to experiment with more potent and dangerous drugs. I was lucky and did not get hooked on cocaine and did not have a bad experience with LSD or mushrooms, or speed. Some of my friends were not as lucky. The bottom line is that marijuana is not a benign as many claim it is. The information from the government is accurate. I don’t want kids to make the same mistakes I made when I was younger. The school and the town did the right thing.
Sounds like you abused marijuana to the extreme. You'd probably be dead if that was alcohol.

We tried banning alcohol because of alcoholics, but prohibition obviously didn't work. While the original reason for making marijuana illegal was far different, we now keep marijuana banned because of public perception of stoners. I don't know why we keep trying the same thing but expect different results.

...but the above is all off-topic. I'd be against what Canton did whether they were searching for drugs, alcohol, or pink teddy bears.

It's all about the search, not what they're searching for...
Concerned

Avon, CT

#399 Oct 14, 2008
Misplaced Texan wrote:
<quoted text>
Good to know - at least the faculty was subject to the same scrutiny. However, I would argue (despite what courts say) that bringing in a dog constitutes a search. I'm also of the opinion that by conducting these searches the school is presuming every student to be guilty until proven otherwise, rather than the reverse. They might as well pat everyone down on their way in the front door everyday.
Yes, drugs are not allowed on school property. However, they had no reason to believe anything was present on campus. Why bring in the cops?
Why aren't you complaining about searches at airports or courthouses and focusing so much about a public high school?

Since: Jun 08

Newington, CT

#400 Oct 14, 2008
Too much of anything probably isn't a good thing. It sounds to me like you are one of the few who became psychologically addicted. People can just as easily become addicted to things like food. A few people over doing it shouldn't ruin the fun for everyone else.

I agree that one should not drive while stoned. I too have been in that situation and now I know better than to put myself in that situation again. If you were one of the high schoolers who was there at Canton high that day, do you think you would feel the way you do now? I'm just curious. Clearly we disagree but at least we've been able to do it in a respectful manner.
Canton Father wrote:
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Yup, I read the article. Yes, it is from the government. More importantly, I’ve experienced the negative effects first hand. I’m not some anti-drug zealot blindly following what the government tells me to do. When I was younger I smoked more than my fair share of marijuana. Driving while stoned is really stupid and is really dangerous. Perception and reaction times are greatly effected. One of my stoner friends killed himself by driving his motorcycle into the back of a tractor trailer parked on the side of I-84. He loved the rush of speeding on a motorcycle while stoned. Have you ever been to a funeral for a 20 year old? I have. You are right about sitting around and giggling at Pink Floyd and the munchies. But, the part about “missing out” you missed is missing out on an education. I missed too many classes in college because of preferring to be stoned. The article also talked about addiction, and it can happen with marijuana. I got to the point where I kept the pipe next to my bed because I couldn’t sleep through the night without waking up and taking a few hits. Also, smoking marijuana did lead me to experiment with more potent and dangerous drugs. I was lucky and did not get hooked on cocaine and did not have a bad experience with LSD or mushrooms, or speed. Some of my friends were not as lucky. The bottom line is that marijuana is not a benign as many claim it is. The information from the government is accurate. I don’t want kids to make the same mistakes I made when I was younger. The school and the town did the right thing.
Canton Father

Canton, CT

#401 Oct 14, 2008
PatrickCT wrote:
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Sounds like you abused marijuana to the extreme. You'd probably be dead if that was alcohol.
We tried banning alcohol because of alcoholics, but prohibition obviously didn't work. While the original reason for making marijuana illegal was far different, we now keep marijuana banned because of public perception of stoners. I don't know why we keep trying the same thing but expect different results.
...but the above is all off-topic. I'd be against what Canton did whether they were searching for drugs, alcohol, or pink teddy bears.
It's all about the search, not what they're searching for...
Perhaps my last sentence should have been my first. I stated agreed with the search. I think that is entirely on topic. Everything I wrote prior to the last sentence outlines why I think the search was justified. See my response to Grunds below for more.
Canton Father

Canton, CT

#402 Oct 14, 2008
Grunds wrote:
Too much of anything probably isn't a good thing. It sounds to me like you are one of the few who became psychologically addicted. People can just as easily become addicted to things like food. A few people over doing it shouldn't ruin the fun for everyone else.
I agree that one should not drive while stoned. I too have been in that situation and now I know better than to put myself in that situation again. If you were one of the high schoolers who was there at Canton high that day, do you think you would feel the way you do now? I'm just curious. Clearly we disagree but at least we've been able to do it in a respectful manner.
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I do not think the addition was psychological, I think it was (is) chemical. Regarding your comment about “fun” things, be careful what you wish for. As to my reaction had I been at the school, it probably would have been the same as my son’s who was there that day, it was no big deal. However, had I been caught I would have resented and hated the authorities. That would have been (and still is) a typical immature reaction. But, my parents would have found out and hopefully helped me. I probably would have turned my life around a lot sooner if they had. I as a parent myself now welcome all the help the school and police can offer. I do not believe children have the same rights as adults. Also, I do not believe that lockers are private property. Whereas I am not naive enough to believe all law enforcement officials are honest, I do think the majority are. If a dog indicates probable cause on public property, I’ll side with the police. I stress the word “public”. Private property, such as a home and the majority of what goes on there, is an entirely different matter and we would probably agree on many matters concerning the sanctity of that location. Canton could have handled search better, but I think they did the right thing. Lastly, I too appreciate the civility. Far too many are rude and inconsiderate, especially when they are cloaked in the anonymity this forum affords. Thanks for sharing your views.
Canton Father

Canton, CT

#403 Oct 14, 2008
PatrickCT wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like you abused marijuana to the extreme. You'd probably be dead if that was alcohol.
We tried banning alcohol because of alcoholics, but prohibition obviously didn't work. While the original reason for making marijuana illegal was far different, we now keep marijuana banned because of public perception of stoners. I don't know why we keep trying the same thing but expect different results.
...but the above is all off-topic. I'd be against what Canton did whether they were searching for drugs, alcohol, or pink teddy bears.
It's all about the search, not what they're searching for...
P.S. I agree with you that prohibition does not work, believe it or not. Incarceration hasn’t worked. Education and counseling when needed are cheaper and probably more effective at curbing abuse. But I do believe there should be age limits and education at school about the dangers of substance abuse.
E E E

Tinley Park, IL

#404 Oct 15, 2008
Concerned wrote:
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Why aren't you complaining about searches at airports or courthouses and focusing so much about a public high school?
Because this is an article about the unconstitutional search at the school, not about the unconstitutional searches that go on at airports.

Searching for weapons in "target" places like airports and courthouse is a completely separate issue than searching for "contraband" without probable cause.
You are all idiots

Canton, IL

#405 Nov 7, 2008
"Its been a long, long time Ive been smoking, smoking Marijuana. It takes me out of my mental ghetto and places me in the Bahamas" "Oh, It puts my mind at ease enlightens myself to the calm breeze and my problems they float away, beyond the palm trees, yeah." "So I gotta keep smoking and a tokin and a smoking on, I keep chokin and a chokin and a chokin on, I keep sellin and then sellin and inhaling my ganja green, yeah!" "Oh, OH OH OH, Yeah, ewwww. " I LOVE IT

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