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bare foot

Gloversville, NY

#1 Jun 5, 2012
any body know how canajohrie library vote went
runswithscissors

Amsterdam, NY

#2 Jun 6, 2012
From the library's facebook page:

"Sad news from Canajoharie. Our Library Funding Proposition was voted down by residents with 629 no votes to 320 yes votes. We want to take a minute to express our gratitude to the people of our community who support us and see the huge value of a library in their community. We will uptake you on the future of the Canajoharie Library soon."
Idea

Queensbury, NY

#3 Jun 6, 2012
Why don't you ask Paul Tonko and Hugh Farley to help, they helped this town. LMAO!
Naughty Libraian

Albany, NY

#4 Jun 6, 2012
Where did the money come from for all the flyers you sent out. Should have put that towards your budget.
ole timer

Johnstown, NY

#5 Jun 7, 2012
I voted in favor of the library proposition, but
the way it was presented to the public, I believe,
contributed to its defeat. The first articles
in the newspaper misquoted the actual tax increase
and though this was later corrected in "a letter
to the editor", the initial mistake stayed in
people's minds. Even the initial calls that went
out to taxpayers misquoted the amount of the tax increase. In addition, other items, such as the
flyers that went out, made people wonder about
where the money was coming from to support this
campaign. Again, if there was money for flyers,
couldn't this money have been spent on the library?
Also, the people who provided testimonials on the
flyers really didn't offer a cross-section of the
community; you needed a farmer there or someone
from "the working class". Finally, and I don't
know a way around this, the tax is again a
property tax, which is weighted against people
on fixed incomes who may own their own homes,
and large landowners such as farmers. I would
vote in favor of another proposition to fund
the library, as I voted in favor of this one,
but maybe in the interim it's time to start a
vigorous campaign asking for donations, and
also being more accurate and transparent with
facts that are sent to taxpayers.
runswithscissors

Amsterdam, NY

#6 Jun 7, 2012
I saw the flyers, too. I also thought of the cost of those mailings, they were not cheap!

They also failed to target a wide range of people. They focused on things like childrens reading groups and putting in a drop box. By only focusing on the programs provided, you lost the interest of anyone who doesn't use, or plan on using, the library.

If they could tell me why it is good for the AREA... tourist traffic, people coming to canjo to use the library, who in turn stop at other businesses, and in turn increase revenue for the area...if they could show us numbers like that, then maybe more people would be interested in supporting the library.
Idea

Queensbury, NY

#7 Jun 8, 2012
Gee, vacation at a campsite,go to an amusment park or go to canjo's library. Hummmm
ole timer

Johnstown, NY

#8 Jun 8, 2012
It's a sad reflection on our community when the
library needs to be compared to "a campsite" or
to "an amusement park" (amusement not amusment).
Also, I'm sorry to say, runswithscissors, every-
thing can't be looked at as a way to make money.
Culture and learning are not always reflected in
"the bottom line". Even if it is, sometimes that
bottom line is hard to find. Find the young child
who is inspired by what they find in the library
and go on to become a doctor or an engineer or
in some other way become an asset to the community.
How do you "show us the numbers" there? It's hard
to do.Maybe Canajoharie doesn't deserve a fine
library and art gallery like we have. Let's
replace it with a miniature golf course; that
might turn a profit.
Really

Queensbury, NY

#9 Jun 8, 2012
Sorry old timer lets get updated,our children our brought up with computers one click and any information is right there. They also have Nooks which has just about any book on it. The only thing I can agree with is the paintings and that could all be seen in a day. We can't bring Canajoharie back to life with the library (sorry)
ole timer

Johnstown, NY

#10 Jun 8, 2012
Really- I beg to differ with you. I have a computer
and I use it a lot, but the library offers things
a computer can't; for example, social interaction,
exposure to real authors and poets, and much, much
more.The library is now really a media center, with
access to all types of information and literature.
If the computer is such a "miracle", why are
colleges being forced to accept students who can't
read or write on a college level? P.S. What can
bring Canajoharie back to life?
canjo

Gloversville, NY

#11 Jun 9, 2012
ole timer wrote:
It's a sad reflection on our community when the
library needs to be compared to "a campsite" or
to "an amusement park" (amusement not amusment).
Also, I'm sorry to say, runswithscissors, every-
thing can't be looked at as a way to make money.
Culture and learning are not always reflected in
"the bottom line". Even if it is, sometimes that
bottom line is hard to find. Find the young child
who is inspired by what they find in the library
and go on to become a doctor or an engineer or
in some other way become an asset to the community.
How do you "show us the numbers" there? It's hard
to do.Maybe Canajoharie doesn't deserve a fine
library and art gallery like we have. Let's
replace it with a miniature golf course; that
might turn a profit.
now your making sence,get the bulldozer fired up and make the miniature golf course.
ole timer

Johnstown, NY

#12 Jun 9, 2012
canjo- It's "you're" and "sense". Go to the library!
runswithscissors

Glens Falls, NY

#13 Jun 9, 2012
ole timer wrote:
If the computer is such a "miracle", why are
colleges being forced to accept students who can't
read or write on a college level? P.S. What can
bring Canajoharie back to life?
Failed argument. Literacy is supposed to be taught in the schools. You don't go to a library to learn to read and spell. You go to the library to borrow books and magazines for free because you are too poor to buy them.
ole timer

Johnstown, NY

#14 Jun 9, 2012
Not "failed argument"; you skirted the question.
My comment was about the "miracle" of the com-
puter.If children can get any information with
a "click" and they have "Nooks" with any book
they could want; why is our literacy rate so
bad? It's because "literacy", or whatever you
wish to call it, needs to be taught first at
home. Parents use computers and video games
and whatever other technology is available
to avoid being the ones who help their child-
ren become literate. Do you know that over half
of a child's vocabulary for life is learned
before they go to school? People don't go to
the library because they are poor, they go
because they want to be enriched. Again, the
library is not about "a bottom line"; it is
the cultural center of the community. Remember
it takes a whole community to raise and educate
a child, don't believe the school can do it alone.
oh my

Gansevoort, NY

#15 Jun 9, 2012
ole timer wrote:
Not "failed argument"; you skirted the question.
My comment was about the "miracle" of the com-
puter.If children can get any information with
a "click" and they have "Nooks" with any book
they could want; why is our literacy rate so
bad? It's because "literacy", or whatever you
wish to call it, needs to be taught first at
home. Parents use computers and video games
and whatever other technology is available
to avoid being the ones who help their child-
ren become literate. Do you know that over half
of a child's vocabulary for life is learned
before they go to school? People don't go to
the library because they are poor, they go
because they want to be enriched. Again, the
library is not about "a bottom line"; it is
the cultural center of the community. Remember
it takes a whole community to raise and educate
a child, don't believe the school can do it alone.
The school is called a school for a reason. Problem is school these days don't teach very well. They all just look towards the regents and just focus on the things that will be on the test. You love doing what you do and have passion for it. Most teachers just want to get paid and careless. Especially since you have no child left behind.. So...
ole timer

Johnstown, NY

#16 Jun 9, 2012
oh my- What is the reason "a school is called a
school"? I believe schools teach better than they
ever did; it's parents and communities that are
failing our children. Until parents and communities
are 100 percent behind education our children
will continue to under achieve. Not supporting
the library is a sign that parents and community
are not supporting education. P.S. The word school
comes from a Greek word that means "free or
leisure time". In ancient Greece only the children
of the rich had free time so they were able to
attend school. We should take advantage of school
which is offered to every child whether rich or
poor.
Really

Queensbury, NY

#17 Jun 9, 2012
I'm just saying the library is a big part of this town,but not big enough to save it. We need more industry so more ppl can be working.I do know one thing ppl with nothing have nothing to lose. think about it because it is a very scary thing.
runswithscissors

Glens Falls, NY

#18 Jun 10, 2012
Absolutely the parents are the first line for education, especially the way the school system is failing us these days. Unfortunately, a lot of parents these days do feel it's the responsibility of the schools to do all the education.

My point about a "bottom line" is that you can't expect the town to get behind the "cultural significance" of the library, when many don't use it. We live in a society of "What's in it for me?"

Not saying it is right, but one has to look at the reality of a situation.

I'm sure the library and museum track visitors, whether they are local or out-of-towners, this would give us an idea of just how much it is used, and if it brings outsiders here (who in turn, would use services of local businesses).
ole timer

Johnstown, NY

#19 Jun 10, 2012
runswithscissors- I agree with you that we live
in a "What's in it for me society?" Hopefully,
there will be a way to find support for the
museum and library so that it may remain as
an important part of the cultural heritage of
our community and continue to be a valuable
resource in the education of our children.
There have been statistics published tracking
the use of the library and museum, but I think
they need to be presented to the public showing
how visitors to the museum and library can
help the local economy. We live in tough
economic times, but it would be a shame to lose
an important resource that we have.
runswithscissors

Glens Falls, NY

#20 Jun 10, 2012
ole timer wrote:
runswithscissors- I agree with you that we live
in a "What's in it for me society?" Hopefully,
there will be a way to find support for the
museum and library so that it may remain as
an important part of the cultural heritage of
our community and continue to be a valuable
resource in the education of our children.
There have been statistics published tracking
the use of the library and museum, but I think
they need to be presented to the public showing
how visitors to the museum and library can
help the local economy. We live in tough
economic times, but it would be a shame to lose
an important resource that we have.
Agreed.(Wow, did this just happen on a Topix forum? Reasonable discussion? Hope in local humanity slowly being restored...)

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