When the mad persecuted the mad

When the mad persecuted the mad

There are 13 comments on the Berkshire Eagle story from May 10, 2009, titled When the mad persecuted the mad. In it, Berkshire Eagle reports that:

Frank Rich makes a disturbing case that Abu Zubaydah an al-Qaida "greeter," apparently not involved in 9/11 planning and who showed "clinical symptoms of schizophrenia," was "waterboarded 83 times" and that "no significant intelligence was gained by torturing this mentally ill al-Qaida functionary." Rich states that the purpose of the torture may ...

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professor

Clockville, NY

#1 May 10, 2009
Bloody Augustus wants blood! What a stinking enemy of America jerk!!!
Islamofashists can not find better friend!
Tricia

South Deerfield, MA

#2 May 10, 2009
I truly believe that this man has a serious problem. He is paranoid about everything that was done by the Bush administration.

I remember several American young men who were horribly tortured and killed by our enemies. They were cut, burned and God knows what else and their bodies were virtually unrecognizable when they were found. It was truly horrific. I remember crying when I saw the pictures of what they looked like when they first joined the war. They seemed so kind and nice. This was the kind of enemy we were dealing with....SAVAGES!! The same people who could without a bit of guilt kill 3,000 innocent people on a bright sunny day and then brag about it afterwards. How does one deal with an enemy who shows itself to be this BRUTAL? Our tactics were nowhere near as horrible as what was used against us. There is no way that we lowered ourselves to the level of our enemies because nobody human could possibly sink that low!!!!
Alice T

Newton Upper Falls, MA

#3 May 10, 2009
Why didn't Nancy Pelosi stop waterboarding if she thought it was torture. Now we know that she lied to us and was, in fact, aware of what was taking place.

Where's the outrage against Pelosi? Oh, nevermind ... she's a Democrat. Can you say HYPOCRISY?

Since: May 08

Springfield, MA

#4 May 10, 2009
Alice T wrote:
Why didn't Nancy Pelosi stop waterboarding if she thought it was torture. Now we know that she lied to us and was, in fact, aware of what was taking place.
Where's the outrage against Pelosi? Oh, nevermind ... she's a Democrat. Can you say HYPOCRISY?
I never realized that Pelosi could reverse the President all by her little old self!
Thank you for your informative post!
She might be an idiot,but she did not come up with the idea,and she did not have the findings written!
Tricia

South Deerfield, MA

#5 May 10, 2009
The President may be the Commander in Chief, but the Speaker of the House is a powerful position as well and if Nancy Pelosi had doubts about waterboarding, she could have used her serious clout to take a stand against it. I don't remember hearing a whimper about it from her. Perhaps, she too understood the brutality of the enemy we were up against and realized the necessity of having some way of getting information from them without resorting to the truly horrific brutality that the enemy was using against us. Torture that was really just for the sake of torture and nothing more.
Ernest T Bass

Nashua, NH

#6 May 10, 2009
another retarded liberal with zero common sense....

1. Hussein was responsible for hundreds of thousands of murders and people tortured

2. Hussein used weapons of mass destruction 10 times since 1982

3. we used waterboarding on 3 terrorists and I am damn glad we did-- we should waterboard them. It saved American lives.

you liberal idiots- the next time we get whacked which is coming sooner than it should now that the radical left idiots leading this country are dropping all the tactics that Bush used to to keep us safe. when we get whacked again by the terrorists we should try people like Kinzel for treason. The blood of the innocent Americans will be on the hands of people like this-

Bush kept us safe after 9-11 -- Obama and his idiot consituents are going to get a lot of us murdered.

Since: May 08

Springfield, MA

#7 May 10, 2009
Tricia wrote:
The President may be the Commander in Chief, but the Speaker of the House is a powerful position as well and if Nancy Pelosi had doubts about waterboarding, she could have used her serious clout to take a stand against it. I don't remember hearing a whimper about it from her. Perhaps, she too understood the brutality of the enemy we were up against and realized the necessity of having some way of getting information from them without resorting to the truly horrific brutality that the enemy was using against us. Torture that was really just for the sake of torture and nothing more.
When the President personally signs off on torture,the buck is his!
Yeah,it was not her signature on the go ahead orders!
She is an idiot!Bush was also an idiot,but he held the position of CIC!
Blue State Patriot

United States

#8 May 10, 2009
wow ramdan, you are doing battle against all the rightwingnuts today on your own. Good for you.

Torture is torture, and those who approved it bear the responsibility, no one else. Pelosi is not the person to go after - Bush and Cheney are.
Tricia

South Deerfield, MA

#9 May 10, 2009
Sorry to dissapoint the left wingers, but I guess I must be an independent nut and not a right wing nut since I'm an independent voter and not a Republican. I love how everything is so black and white to the left wingers. You are either for them or against them, good or evil, Democrat or Republican. They can't even acknowledge the existence of anything else. Since they see themselves as always being good and in the right, therefore everybody else is either nuts or pure evil. The left wingers didn't take this attitude against the terrorists, however. By some strange madness, they made Bush and Cheney the bad guys and the terrorists became the ones who were being violated hence all the uproar about prosecuting Bush and Cheney for war crimes and torture tatics. Unbelievable!!!!

I'm sure the terrorists are watching all this and seeing what a haven the U.S. can be for them. They can come over, do their dirty work and know we will end up treating them better than they are probably treated in their own country. Because over here we see the hurting person behind the terrorist. We might even analyze them and find that they can go into rehab and be sent back into society to do good deeds. I mean where is the deterrent to crime in this kind of thinking?
Charlie

Charlotte, NC

#10 May 11, 2009
We should never torture anyone. Just CUT THEIR HEADS OFF like they did to Pearl. And that is what they will do to you too. You can't say " you guys don't play fair" and expect them to be nice. The terrorists don't have an army no government no uniforms no laws of war. They won't play nice. Even if we do.
Brian

North Adams, MA

#11 May 11, 2009
"going to war in the first place, which may have been the most horrendous crime since the Nazi insanity."

Is the writer out of his mind? Does he have any idea what went on in Stalins gulags in the 1950's, or in Cambodia in the late 70's, or in Rwanda in 1994? The rightfulness of our involvement in Iraq can certainly be debated but to compare it to these other atrocities is utterly abhorrent.
Dave

Houston, TX

#12 May 11, 2009
Augustus, Good afternoon. Weren't you warned about using LSD even if for scientific experimentation? Call 911. Tell the operator you have lost your mind and have been hearing voices again. Get yourself some help. PS. If a member of al Qaida won't talk after repeated attempts at waterboarding, consider this, he is a well disciplined member of al Qaida.

Since: May 08

United States

#13 May 12, 2009
Prosecution would not be Persecution!

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