Judge weighs Muller evidence

Judge weighs Muller evidence

There are 140 comments on the Daily Freeman story from Mar 16, 2007, titled Judge weighs Muller evidence. In it, Daily Freeman reports that:

Which of the statements accused murderer William H. Muller, Jr., made to police and which of his past bad deeds will be admissible at his upcoming trial were subject of pre-trial hearings in Columbia County ...

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kristen

San Francisco, CA

#2 Apr 4, 2007
Past bad deeds my ass. that crazy attention seeking bitch he married is the cause of all of this. I lived with them for over a year, i know what went on
Sandy

Wichita, KS

#3 Apr 5, 2007
It must have been a terrible hardship for you, to live with someone you obviously don't like for over a year. I have read and responded to your previous comments, and it is clear that totally miss the point. You can rant and rave as much as you would like, but it isn't going to change the fact that Christie is not the person who is on trial for killing her parents, Billy is. Their marriage was over and she did the smart thing by removing herself from that situation and moving in with her parents to a safer and more stable environment for herself and son. Unfortunately, that isn't the way things turned out. Billy is a big boy now, the time has come to let him stand on his own two feet. Honey, you need to grow up and realize that you can blame Christie for all you like, but a judge won't take excuses, they deal with evidence and facts. There is a big difference between an inmature playground incident and murder.
rixracer

Charlotte, NC

#4 Apr 5, 2007
The facts are sketchy, the motive uclear, and one person hangs in the balance. I am a typically a level-headed and objective person, but there are so many things that probably will never be known and the court will ultimately have to decide on a life sentence based on hear-say and faulty investigative techniques. Yes, billy is a big boy and should be able to stand on his own two feet.

I feel so bad about the Lynchs even though I have never met them. They most likely were wonderful, repected people in their community. I am sure they will be missed by a lot of people. God rest their souls.

Billy is on trial for killing her parents. Yet the only witness, Christie--known for being flirtatious, adulterous, and not having a good relationship with her parents, could have had something to do with this. Well, I think that is possible, but not part of this trial.

Example: if you have two children one is always yelling at the other one in fits of rage. Then, come to find out, that the other child that seems to the brunt of the abuse has been instigating in malicuos and cruel ways. Which child do you punish?

Sandy, you wrote that "..the marriage was over and she did the SMART thing and removed herself from the situation." However true, that is not ever a good idea to deal with the situation at its highest point of emotion. To be the cause of the marriage being over by cheating on your husband is a recipe for destruction. I consider that murder of the soul. by doing that, you just told someone that you are worthless to me and I took it upon myself to make myself happy and leave you behind.

Crimes of passion are not to be taken likely. It happens all the time for all the same reason. a spouse is made to feel worthless. In some cases, people were aquited just because they were tormented so badly that they lost control. These cases were murders of the spouses not the in-laws.

As a society, we have all lost the need to make others feel comfortable. We are definately in the "me" generation. We as a people are selfish and needy.

I am not sure, Sandy, you can really have enough evidence that Billy caused the household to be unstable. I have heard from countless people in countless situations where christie threw herself at other people. If you were to ask me to look at the past of each individual person (Christie and Billy) and go to friends and family of each to determine who was stable and who wasn't. I would lean toward Billy. It wasn't until Billy seemed to cross paths with Christie that he experienced any type of consistant unstable behaviour.

Keep in mind, friends will always look at the bright side of each other as well as family--that is not a bad thing. It just does not really make for a very objective opinion on things.

I wish for Billy to be punished if he did commit the crime he intended to commit. I really don't think that is remotely happen, however, I am also not one who is looking at all the facts. I also wish that Billy be freed if, in fact, he was not the one to commit this crime.

I am always astonished how people respond to others the way Sandy responded to Kristen's email. It shocks me how poeple who probably don't know each other could not respoect the opinion and rebut in a respectful manner. Friendships end (or never start), marriages break-up, problems don't get solved and countries go to war.

Sorry to take too much of anyone's time
kristen

Wadesboro, NC

#5 Apr 7, 2007
rixracer wrote:
The facts are sketchy, the motive uclear, and one person hangs in the balance. I am a typically a level-headed and objective person, but there are so many things that probably will never be known and the court will ultimately have to decide on a life sentence based on hear-say and faulty investigative techniques. Yes, billy is a big boy and should be able to stand on his own two feet.
I feel so bad about the Lynchs even though I have never met them. They most likely were wonderful, repected people in their community. I am sure they will be missed by a lot of people. God rest their souls.
Billy is on trial for killing her parents. Yet the only witness, Christie--known for being flirtatious, adulterous, and not having a good relationship with her parents, could have had something to do with this. Well, I think that is possible, but not part of this trial.
Example: if you have two children one is always yelling at the other one in fits of rage. Then, come to find out, that the other child that seems to the brunt of the abuse has been instigating in malicuos and cruel ways. Which child do you punish?
Sandy, you wrote that "..the marriage was over and she did the SMART thing and removed herself from the situation." However true, that is not ever a good idea to deal with the situation at its highest point of emotion. To be the cause of the marriage being over by cheating on your husband is a recipe for destruction. I consider that murder of the soul. by doing that, you just told someone that you are worthless to me and I took it upon myself to make myself happy and leave you behind.
Crimes of passion are not to be taken likely. It happens all the time for all the same reason. a spouse is made to feel worthless. In some cases, people were aquited just because they were tormented so badly that they lost control. These cases were murders of the spouses not the in-laws.
As a society, we have all lost the need to make others feel comfortable. We are definately in the "me" generation. We as a people are selfish and needy.
I am not sure, Sandy, you can really have enough evidence that Billy caused the household to be unstable. I have heard from countless people in countless situations where christie threw herself at other people. If you were to ask me to look at the past of each individual person (Christie and Billy) and go to friends and family of each to determine who was stable and who wasn't. I would lean toward Billy. It wasn't until Billy seemed to cross paths with Christie that he experienced any type of consistant unstable behaviour.
Keep in mind, friends will always look at the bright side of each other as well as family--that is not a bad thing. It just does not really make for a very objective opinion on things.
I wish for Billy to be punished if he did commit the crime he intended to commit. I really don't think that is remotely happen, however, I am also not one who is looking at all the facts. I also wish that Billy be freed if, in fact, he was not the one to commit this crime.
I am always astonished how people respond to others the way Sandy responded to Kristen's email. It shocks me how poeple who probably don't know each other could not respoect the opinion and rebut in a respectful manner. Friendships end (or never start), marriages break-up, problems don't get solved and countries go to war.
Sorry to take too much of anyone's time
thank you for your response!! you make alot of sense
Tammy

East Chatham, NY

#6 Apr 9, 2007
He own sister admits he did it.His own cousin a police officer is testifying against him. Hear say from Christie that bs. The only people who say Christie had a bad relationship with her parents are the Muller's, who have something to gain by saying that. When in NC Christie called her parents everyday, check the phone bills. If she had such a horrible relationship with her parents why did she live with them. She obviously had a better relationship with them than she did with Billy. Christie did everything with her mother, father and her son.
rixracer wrote:
The facts are sketchy, the motive uclear, and one person hangs in the balance. I am a typically a level-headed and objective person, but there are so many things that probably will never be known and the court will ultimately have to decide on a life sentence based on hear-say and faulty investigative techniques. Yes, billy is a big boy and should be able to stand on his own two feet.
I feel so bad about the Lynchs even though I have never met them. They most likely were wonderful, repected people in their community. I am sure they will be missed by a lot of people. God rest their souls.
Billy is on trial for killing her parents. Yet the only witness, Christie--known for being flirtatious, adulterous, and not having a good relationship with her parents, could have had something to do with this. Well, I think that is possible, but not part of this trial.
Example: if you have two children one is always yelling at the other one in fits of rage. Then, come to find out, that the other child that seems to the brunt of the abuse has been instigating in malicuos and cruel ways. Which child do you punish?
Sandy, you wrote that "..the marriage was over and she did the SMART thing and removed herself from the situation." However true, that is not ever a good idea to deal with the situation at its highest point of emotion. To be the cause of the marriage being over by cheating on your husband is a recipe for destruction. I consider that murder of the soul. by doing that, you just told someone that you are worthless to me and I took it upon myself to make myself happy and leave you behind.
Crimes of passion are not to be taken likely. It happens all the time for all the same reason. a spouse is made to feel worthless. In some cases, people were aquited just because they were tormented so badly that they lost control. These cases were murders of the spouses not the in-laws.
As a society, we have all lost the need to make others feel comfortable. We are definately in the "me" generation. We as a people are selfish and needy.
I am not sure, Sandy, you can really have enough evidence that Billy caused the household to be unstable. I have heard from countless people in countless situations where christie threw herself at other people. If you were to ask me to look at the past of each individual person (Christie and Billy) and go to friends and family of each to determine who was stable and who wasn't. I would lean toward Billy. It wasn't until Billy seemed to cross paths with Christie that he experienced any type of consistant unstable behaviour.
Keep in mind, friends will always look at the bright side of each other as well as family--that is not a bad thing. It just does not really make for a very objective opinion on things.
I wish for Billy to be punished if he did commit the crime he intended to commit. I really don't think that is remotely happen, however, I am also not one who is looking at all the facts. I also wish that Billy be freed if, in fact, he was not the one to commit this crime.
I am always astonished how people respond to others the way Sandy responded to Kristen's email. It shocks me how poeple who probably don't know each other could not respoect the opinion and rebut in a respectful manner. Friendships end (or never start), marriages break-up, problems don't get solved and countries go to war.
Sorry to take too much of anyone's time
Friend of billy

Delmar, NY

#7 Apr 9, 2007
Tammy wrote:
He own sister admits he did it.His own cousin a police officer is testifying against him. Hear say from Christie that bs. The only people who say Christie had a bad relationship with her parents are the Muller's, who have something to gain by saying that. When in NC Christie called her parents everyday, check the phone bills. If she had such a horrible relationship with her parents why did she live with them. She obviously had a better relationship with them than she did with Billy. Christie did everything with her mother, father and her son.<quoted text>
First of all which sister admitted he did it and secondly how do you know what his cousin is going to testify especially if the cousin hasn't testified yet. Are you a police officer, have you read his statement, or are you a mind-reader.
Friend of billy

Delmar, NY

#8 Apr 9, 2007
What sister admitted he did it. Has his cousin even testified yet, as far as I have read there was no mention of that testimony. How do you know what he is going to testify to, are you a police officer or officer of the court and have read the cousins testimony or are you just a mind-reader these days!

Since: Apr 07

Delmar, NY

#9 Apr 9, 2007
What sister admitted he did it. How do you know what the cousin is going to testify to, are you a police officer or an officer of the court, if not have you read his statement or are you just a mind-reader because I do not believe he has testified yet.
tny_tomasso

Norwich, NY

#10 Apr 9, 2007
someone writes "ass" and I write "kill" and they blank my word out...mus' be the racist asses who decides who can be heard and who can't
a stranger

Bethlehem, CT

#11 Apr 9, 2007
I FIRST HAND that relationship Christie had with her parents was sugar coated. I know for a fact that she at times hated her parents for always putting Nicole first. I also know that she dreaded those phone calls to her mother but if she didnt call them her parents would tell her she was "a bad daughter" to them and "a horrible mother for not letting Michael talk to his real grandparents, the only ones who really cared about him" She told me that herself. I also know for a fact that there is more to Christies story than what she is saying.. I can not tell you (the readers) how I know but hopefully soon I will be able to talk about the case. Just everyone keep one thing in mind... NONE of us were there... only Christie, Billy and her parents REALLY know the whole truth... so who are we to to say what really happened that night???? now it is up to the jury...
friend

United States

#12 Apr 11, 2007
very well said stranger lets hope they both tell the truth i think alot of people will be shocked if she told the truth but she seems to have gotten what she wanted so we will see how much truth she can give her male friend you know who i mean will be on her side all the way but down the road he will see just how she truly is
Grunt11

Albany, NY

#13 Apr 13, 2007
I have known Dennis the better part of 30 years, his brother even longer. We hung out @ 15, drank beer, worked together ( his brother and I) and shipped out to Nam, before most of you were born, to war. We have seen more than our share of death, distruction, and mayhem in a combat zone far more than most will ever see.

Dennis was a laid back easy going soul that could not be described as anything other than a perfect Gentelman. Yes, he had weapons, hunted and fished with us, and I never observed a violent bone in his body. Carolyn also complimented him as a lady. If they had any troubles in their family with children or outlaws, we never knew it, it just wasn't spoken about.

Stick to the facts of the case. These were 2 beautiful people and parents that understood the struggles of their children and as any good parent would, tried to help their children and son in law as best they could.

Because Christie was an angel or the town floozie, which ever tag you prefer to use, does this give any aquaintances or friends of hers, or spouse the right to enter their home with a loaded shotgun just to prove a point or make a statement ?

His brother and I am sure we would answer our door with a weapon in hand at any weird hour of the eve that someone decides to show up knocking and banging unannounced. Dennis thought better of people, and for that he had to loose his life and his family.

I spent a little time in the can, this idot didn't show up with the driveway blocked with his vehicle and a loaded shotgun to play checkers. Being a former peace officer, he will not have it easy where he is going. More than likely in special houseing away from the main prison population who would love to get their hands on a former cop. He will spen the rest of his natural life looking over his shoulder in a 9 X 10. I would venture to guess he deserves nothing less.

Semper Fi
A loss forever

Albany, NY

#14 Apr 18, 2007
Hopefully Billy Badass gets whats coming to him when he gets to prison. It doesnt bring our aunt and uncle, brother and sister, parents or son and daughter back(respectively), but to know that he's going to be gripping bars for the rest of his life with his face clenched and bubba standing over him is a great feeling. I never got to show dennis my new car or my decorated uniform or go on a fishing trip again with him and others have been affected in a similar fashion to never laugh with thier brother or sister again. These are things that can never be given back regardless. You dont accidently do the things mr badass did, even in a passionate rage.
zoe

Clifton Park, NY

#15 Apr 26, 2007
thank you jurors, D.A.9002
PATTY

Clifton Park, NY

#16 May 10, 2007
Most of you belong back in grade school, the only person responsible for the Lynches deaths is billy; he admittted in court that he did it, only his story , the one chose to tell not the other plan that it was all accidental? NO ONE ELSE IS TO BLAME.. and why couldn't he look the Lynches and the White familys in the eyes and say I'M sorry, and why did he change his clothes after he hid the gun in a body of water, because he was guilty and the jurors heard his bull, and they saw the truth, thank you JURORS now may Carolyn and Dennis rest in PEACE, Now the Judge needs to put billy away for the rest of his life. at least his mother can hug him and write him , call him, can we call Carolyn and Dennis.
PATTY

Clifton Park, NY

#17 May 10, 2007
God bless the D.A. and her team and the SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT,

“I DIDNT WRITE ABOUT SIZES,MAD!”

Since: Jun 07

nassau,ny

#18 Jun 21, 2007
kristen wrote:
Past bad deeds my ass. that crazy attention seeking bitch he married is the cause of all of this. I lived with them for over a year, i know what went on
The only crazy person is billy!!she would come to family picnics w/black eyes so before u talk ur smack grow up an know ur facts the jury did!If it was'nt for that crazy scumbag my aunt&uncle would still be here,it does'nt matter what went on in there lives nothing changes the fact he came to there home w/ a shot gun now does it!?!Its real sad u wont let christy&nikki morn in peace!what if that was ur mom&dad would u want some bitch calling u names and talking shit??i don't know if u r friends or family of the Billy but i can see how he turned out to be a cold hearted murder being around people like u all!

“I DIDNT WRITE ABOUT SIZES,MAD!”

Since: Jun 07

nassau,ny

#19 Jun 21, 2007
a stranger wrote:
I FIRST HAND that relationship Christie had with her parents was sugar coated. I know for a fact that she at times hated her parents for always putting Nicole first. I also know that she dreaded those phone calls to her mother but if she didnt call them her parents would tell her she was "a bad daughter" to them and "a horrible mother for not letting Michael talk to his real grandparents, the only ones who really cared about him" She told me that herself. I also know for a fact that there is more to Christies story than what she is saying.. I can not tell you (the readers) how I know but hopefully soon I will be able to talk about the case. Just everyone keep one thing in mind... NONE of us were there... only Christie, Billy and her parents REALLY know the whole truth... so who are we to to say what really happened that night???? now it is up to the jury...
Wow, i have never read so many lies in one comment box its very clear u did'nt know my cuz or my aunt&uncle!Its also very clear u just wanted to have ur 15min.!It really sounds like u were jealous of the tight bond that dennis&carolyn&the girls had!whats a matter mommy&daddy did'nt pay u no mind??well note this jealousy is a serious decease,i hope u get well soon!i grew up wishing that dennis&carolyn were my mom&dad.those girls had everything and there life was so normal till christy met Billy then it all went to shit!tour another one who needs to get a clue!let christy&nikki morn in peace and try to move on from this piont.i know we all feel lil better knowing we will never have to see that murder agian!
newphew in-law

Albany, NY

#20 Jun 21, 2007
YA KNOW THE SAD THING IS THAT BECAUSE OF THIS MANS JEALOUS WAYS AND HIS SANE RAGE , HE TOOK AWAY 2 OF THE MOST WONDERFUL PEOPLE. THE ACT HE DID IN FRONT OF HIS SON AND WIFE WITH CAROLYN UPSTAIRS PLEADING FOR WILLIAM H.MULLER TO STOP MADE ME CRY ,BUT HIS REPLY WAS WHEN THE FIRST SHOT BLAST WENT OFF AND CAROLYN CALLED FOR HER HUSBAND,WAS "SORRY HE WON'T BE ANSWERING YOU".WILLIAM WILL LIVE HIS NIGHTMARE OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL HE PASSES AWAY IN THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON.ITS A SAD THING,ONLY IF HE WOULD OF WALKED AWAY 2 LOVING PEOPLE WOULD STILL BE HERE.AS FAR AS CHRISSY SHE WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN AND THE LIL BABY BOY,LOUD "BANG" NOISES WILL SCARE HIM FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.WILLIAM H. MULLER DID A SELFISH ACT AND ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE STILL SUFFERING BECAUSE OF IT.IT IS UNSPEAKABLE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHOM COME TO HIS DEFENSE,,BUT WE REALIZE THAT THEY LOST SOMEONE 2,BUT THAT SOMEONE IS FOR THE TIME STILL ALIVE.WE CAN ONLY PRAY FOR HIS SOUL ,GOD MAKES THAT FINAL JUDGEMENT ON HIS SOUL,NOT MAN NOR WOMEN BUT GOD.ALL WE CAN DO IS LOCK HIM AWAY FROM SOCIETY FOR EVER.THERE WAS NO ACCIDENT THE GUN WENT OFF 3 TIMES FROM DENNIS GRABBING IT AND THE IS NO EXCUSE OF A STRAY SLUG FLYING THROUGH A WALL THAT STRUCK MY WIFES AUNT,HIS PAIRS FOUND HIM GUILTY OF 2-COUNTS OF FIRST DEGREE MURDER 2 LIFE COUNTS WITHOUT PAROLE.THIS GUY WAS A SHERIFF DEPUTY AND A MILITARY MAN IF THIS WAS A SO CALLED ACCIDENT WHY DIN'T HE CALL 911? WHY DID HE FLEE THE SCENE AND MOST OF ALL WHY DID HE GET RID OF THE SHOT GUN AND CHANGE HIS CLOTHES?THAT ANSWER IS SIMPLE HE PLANNED THE WHOLE THING ,HE NEVER WENT THERE TO TALK TO CHRISSY AND HE NEVER WENT THERE TO KILL HIMSELF.....I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING SO BRUTALLLY TRUTHFUL BUT YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT LIKE THIS -WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR LOVED ONES-.HIS FAMILY WILL NEVER RECOVER FROM HIS ACTIONS,AND MY WIFES FAMILY WILL NEVER RECOVER AS WELL SO THE CONCLUSION IS THAT BOTH FAMILIES LOST THE ONES THEY LOVED SO DEARLY.
annie canaan

AOL

#21 Jun 23, 2007
yous are right nephew in law, why were so many lies told let me ask all of you one question, if there was so much abuse going on do you really think that dennis would have worked w
ith his son in law day and night for 8 month

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