spose

Leitchfield, KY

#266 Sep 8, 2012
Hey McStupid, what happened to you and WakeUp and your foreign tax scenarios. Did you find out you were both stupid?
McGruff

Lexington, KY

#267 Sep 8, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>tsk, tsk. Facts have always been your bugaboo.
Just because somebody gets a tax refund doesn't mean they didn't pay tax. In most cases they paid more during the year than they owed.
that is correct. But 47% pay no federal income tax. They get back more than they paid in. Fact nitwit
McGruff

Lexington, KY

#268 Sep 8, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>Your numbers are all fallout from the 2009 crash. 8 years of Bush had a big price tag.
no they are all obammys record for the last four years. Obammy has to put on his big boy panties and take responsibility for his policies and his lack of leadership
McGruff

Lexington, KY

#269 Sep 8, 2012
spose wrote:
<quoted text>No shit for brains my statements are 100% true. The problem is that you can't read the tax tables and you rely on that great bastion of misinformation, USA Today.

A self employed working stiff making over $46,250 will pay 25% in federal income tax on the amount over $46,250 plus he will pay self employment tax of 15.3%. Do the math moron, 25 and 15.3 is 40.3 so I stand by my statement. Mitt Romney on the other hand is paying a maximum of 15% on millions and his investment income is never subject to self employment tax.

That's a 25% gap any way you slice it. And why does Romney receive such favorable treatment? Because he's a job creator....it just happens to be foreign jobs.
no nitwit. The effective rate is what they will pay nitwit. Not the starting rate. It is what you pay after loopholes nitwit. And USA today got the info from the IRS. So nice try to lie but no one believes you. I show you to be a nitwit Dailey.

Romney doesn't get special treatment. He doesn't get a pay check. He gets his income from cap gains and they are all taxed the same. Even Bill Clinton lowered capital gains rates when he was prez by 8%. There is no social security tax on cap gains nitwit. And no reason for there to be.
dontknowitall

Elizabethtown, KY

#270 Sep 8, 2012
THIS I DO KNOW FOR FACT....a single mother of 3 living near Hodgenville worked for 6 months this year at a local factory and filed her taxes. She received a $6825 check. I think it's wrong to get back MORE than you pay in...just saying. As soon as she found out how much her tax return would be she quit her job and went back to food stamps and what ever other assistance that's available to help low lifes that are too lazy to work.
spose

Leitchfield, KY

#271 Sep 8, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
no nitwit. The effective rate is what they will pay nitwit. Not the starting rate. It is what you pay after loopholes nitwit. And USA today got the info from the IRS. So nice try to lie but no one believes you. I show you to be a nitwit Dailey.
Romney doesn't get special treatment. He doesn't get a pay check. He gets his income from cap gains and they are all taxed the same. Even Bill Clinton lowered capital gains rates when he was prez by 8%. There is no social security tax on cap gains nitwit. And no reason for there to be.
You do persist in being a phking moron. Here are the facts fool. A single self employed taxpayer will pay 25% income tax on the amount over around 36,000 taxable income and an additional 15.3% in self employment tax. Now you ignorant moron try to add those up and you will see that this individual pays 40% on that money. Mitt pays no more than 15% on his entire 20 million.

You say, "Romney doesn't get special treatment." A 25% cut is not special treatment?

You gotta love, "I show you to be a nitwit Dailey." Please tell me how a moron such as you can prove anyone to be a nitwit 'Dailey' when they can't even spell daily.

And further over the abyss you go saying, "It is what you pay after loopholes nitwit." I know you won't because you're too chicken shit but just for shits and giggles please show us a "loophole". I bet you can't.
McGruff

Lexington, KY

#272 Sep 8, 2012
spose wrote:
<quoted text>You do persist in being a phking moron. Here are the facts fool. A single self employed taxpayer will pay 25% income tax on the amount over around 36,000 taxable income and an additional 15.3% in self employment tax. Now you ignorant moron try to add those up and you will see that this individual pays 40% on that money. Mitt pays no more than 15% on his entire 20 million.

You say, "Romney doesn't get special treatment." A 25% cut is not special treatment?

You gotta love, "I show you to be a nitwit Dailey." Please tell me how a moron such as you can prove anyone to be a nitwit 'Dailey' when they can't even spell daily.

And further over the abyss you go saying, "It is what you pay after loopholes nitwit." I know you won't because you're too chicken shit but just for shits and giggles please show us a "loophole". I bet you can't.
they don't pay that nitwit. In fact the IRS shows that the average taxpayer pays 11% in federal income tax.

A loophole? Easy enough. The mortgage interest loophole, the child tax credit, the personal exemption, and any business expense. All loopholes that keep anyone from paying 25%.

And no Romney doesn't get special treatment. Cap gains are treated differently from income. It is because investments are needed to drive business. Mitt pays the same exact tax on his cap gains as does everyone else who have cap gains. The fact that he has become rich enough to live off ho's cap gains is irrelevant. That is to be admired and not attacked. We all should be so lucky some day.
spose

Leitchfield, KY

#273 Sep 8, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
they don't pay that nitwit. In fact the IRS shows that the average taxpayer pays 11% in federal income tax.
A loophole? Easy enough. The mortgage interest loophole, the child tax credit, the personal exemption, and any business expense. All loopholes that keep anyone from paying 25%.
And no Romney doesn't get special treatment. Cap gains are treated differently from income. It is because investments are needed to drive business. Mitt pays the same exact tax on his cap gains as does everyone else who have cap gains. The fact that he has become rich enough to live off ho's cap gains is irrelevant. That is to be admired and not attacked. We all should be so lucky some day.
You know absolutely nothing about how the tax system works. And the sad part is you can go to the IRS website and find out so much.

And the fool says..."The mortgage interest loophole, the child tax credit, the personal exemption, and any business expense."

You phkin idiot, the home mortgage interest is a deduction to help families buy a home. You would have us lose this deduction as Romney wants because it only affects the middle class. The child tax credit is another "CREDIT" that helps the middle class. You say the personal exemption is a loophole. Another deduction you want to wipe out from the middle class. Just what the phk do you have against the middle class? Business expenses are no loophole you freakin moron. They are just that, expenses of operating a business. Would you have the business only pay on the gross income after you remove these "loopholes"?

A loophole is a section of the IRS code written specifically for one company or one industry that is not available to others. Legislators often write them and point out when they were created to identify them.

You think a business expense is a loophole. You are worse than stupid.
McGruff

Lexington, KY

#274 Sep 8, 2012
spose wrote:
<quoted text>You know absolutely nothing about how the tax system works. And the sad part is you can go to the IRS website and find out so much.

And the fool says..."The mortgage interest loophole, the child tax credit, the personal exemption, and any business expense."

You phkin idiot, the home mortgage interest is a deduction to help families buy a home. You would have us lose this deduction as Romney wants because it only affects the middle class. The child tax credit is another "CREDIT" that helps the middle class. You say the personal exemption is a loophole. Another deduction you want to wipe out from the middle class. Just what the phk do you have against the middle class? Business expenses are no loophole you freakin moron. They are just that, expenses of operating a business. Would you have the business only pay on the gross income after you remove these "loopholes"?

A loophole is a section of the IRS code written specifically for one company or one industry that is not available to others. Legislators often write them and point out when they were created to identify them.

You think a business expense is a loophole. You are worse than stupid.
I don't want to eliminate any of those you lying nitwit. When did I say that? But they are in fact loopholes. Just exactly like I said.

And just exactly like I said the average taxpayer pays 11% in federal income tax. Not 40% as you claimed.

Now yet again improve you to be a clueless nitwit and a liar. Again I prove to be your superior.
spose

Leitchfield, KY

#275 Sep 9, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't want to eliminate any of those you lying nitwit. When did I say that? But they are in fact loopholes. Just exactly like I said.
And just exactly like I said the average taxpayer pays 11% in federal income tax. Not 40% as you claimed.
Now yet again improve you to be a clueless nitwit and a liar. Again I prove to be your superior.
OK Mr. superior moron how's about you go to the irs website and research the tax rate schedules and bring us back an 11% bracket. You'll find 10%, 15%, 25% and 35%, but you won't find an 11%.

Mitt's will never go higher than 15%. You should at least find those 35% for the working stiff but not so for Romney. Is that fair? Oh yeah, that's right, he's a job creator. So please tell me how investing in the economy of a foreign country creates jobs...in the USA?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#276 Sep 9, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
that is correct. But 47% pay no federal income tax. They get back more than they paid in. Fact nitwit
Those bugaboo facts just keep shoving sticks in your spokes, McGruff. Will you ever learn that you can't trust conservative bloggers to tell the truth?

"Tax Policy Center data show that only about 17 percent of households did not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax in 2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked that year. In 2007, a more typical year, the figure was 14 percent. This percentage would be even lower if it reflected other federal taxes that households pay, including excise taxes on gasoline and other items." - cpbb.org 04/11/12

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#277 Sep 9, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
no they are all obammys record for the last four years. Obammy has to put on his big boy panties and take responsibility for his policies and his lack of leadership
Still ducking and weaving, McGruff? 8 years of Cause comes before 4 years of Effect.
When will Romney put on his big boy panties and show HIS records?
Wondering

Elizabethtown, KY

#278 Sep 9, 2012
Perhaps McGruff is talking about the people who have lower incomes and get a tax return at the end of the year when all their federal tax payments are refunded. Like me!
McGruff

Lexington, KY

#279 Sep 9, 2012
spose wrote:
<quoted text>OK Mr. superior moron how's about you go to the irs website and research the tax rate schedules and bring us back an 11% bracket. You'll find 10%, 15%, 25% and 35%, but you won't find an 11%.

Mitt's will never go higher than 15%. You should at least find those 35% for the working stiff but not so for Romney. Is that fair? Oh yeah, that's right, he's a job creator. So please tell me how investing in the economy of a foreign country creates jobs...in the USA?
first it doesn't matter the bracket. It matters what you pay. The IRS says the average worker pays 11%. Maybe you need to argue with them.

Second if Romney earns a pay check then yes his rate will be what ever bracket he falls in minus deductions. He doesn't get a special rate. Cap gains are treated differently for a reason. Ask bill Clinton why.
McGruff

Lexington, KY

#280 Sep 9, 2012
spose wrote:
<quoted text>OK Mr. superior moron how's about you go to the irs website and research the tax rate schedules and bring us back an 11% bracket. You'll find 10%, 15%, 25% and 35%, but you won't find an 11%.

Mitt's will never go higher than 15%. You should at least find those 35% for the working stiff but not so for Romney. Is that fair? Oh yeah, that's right, he's a job creator. So please tell me how investing in the economy of a foreign country creates jobs...in the USA?
he invested only some of his money in foreign investments.
McGruff

Lexington, KY

#281 Sep 9, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>Those bugaboo facts just keep shoving sticks in your spokes, McGruff. Will you ever learn that you can't trust conservative bloggers to tell the truth?

"Tax Policy Center data show that only about 17 percent of households did not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax in 2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked that year. In 2007, a more typical year, the figure was 14 percent. This percentage would be even lower if it reflected other federal taxes that households pay, including excise taxes on gasoline and other items." - cpbb.org 04/11/12
you say or payroll tax. There is your problem. We are talking about federal income tax. You intentionally lie to try to prove your point. 47% pay no federal income tax just like I said.
McGruff

Lexington, KY

#282 Sep 9, 2012
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>Still ducking and weaving, McGruff? 8 years of Cause comes before 4 years of Effect.
When will Romney put on his big boy panties and show HIS records?
obammy is responsible. Maybe 8 years of Clinton caused it. You do know he singed into law all those easy mortgage laws?
spose

Leitchfield, KY

#283 Sep 9, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
you say or payroll tax. There is your problem. We are talking about federal income tax. You intentionally lie to try to prove your point. 47% pay no federal income tax just like I said.
Oh no you don't SFB. You don't get away with that weak garbage. On the one hand you want to gripe that some will get back more federal income tax than they paid. You think that is a travesty and you discount the payment of employment taxes but if there are no payroll taxes paid the individual in question doesn't get that refund so yes that is significant. He didn't lie. Payroll taxes are a part of the equation.
spose

Leitchfield, KY

#284 Sep 9, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
first it doesn't matter the bracket. It matters what you pay. The IRS says the average worker pays 11%. Maybe you need to argue with them.
Second if Romney earns a pay check then yes his rate will be what ever bracket he falls in minus deductions. He doesn't get a special rate. Cap gains are treated differently for a reason. Ask bill Clinton why.
You take great pleasure in blaming Clinton for a lower capital gains rate.#1 it was a compromise with republicans and #2 it was capped at 28%. A capital gains rate capped at 28% compared to a top rate of 39.6% is significantly fairer that a 15% rate with a top rate of 35%. That's a far cry from the 15% cap we have today given to us by Dubya Bush.

You get your talking points from these nutso right wing sites but you fail to bring any facts to the table. Just rhetoric.
McGruff

Lexington, KY

#285 Sep 9, 2012
spose wrote:
<quoted text>Oh no you don't SFB. You don't get away with that weak garbage. On the one hand you want to gripe that some will get back more federal income tax than they paid. You think that is a travesty and you discount the payment of employment taxes but if there are no payroll taxes paid the individual in question doesn't get that refund so yes that is significant. He didn't lie. Payroll taxes are a part of the equation.
no we were discussing income tax. 47% pay no income tax. 47% don't apt a thing toward the roads, bridges, Solyndra loans, or GSA conv. The patrol tax is for their soc sec. Al gore has that locked up in the lockbox for us. But 47% pay nothing toward the workings of this country.

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