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just venting

Hawesville, KY

#1 Dec 22, 2008
I have to say that the new court house is nice. But was it necessary to build it so big, or make it so extravagant? After all, the main purpose of the court house is to punish people for committing crimes, not to visit the Hilton! I am curious to know how much the huge tower on top of the building cost. I understand that we needed a nicer court house and that it needs to be built to last, but I believe they went over board. Even in Marion County, they spent all that money and built that huge courthouse, but yet almost everything is still done in the old one. I just really feel that all of that money spent on the unnecessary extravagant things could have been put to better use in all of the counties that are getting the new courthouses. Our economy is struggling and people in the communities, are losing their jobs. It is terrible that the tax payers that contributed to the new building will have to be in the courthouse being sued when they lose their jobs, homes, and fall behind on bills.
squirt

Lexington, KY

#2 Dec 22, 2008
just venting wrote:
I have to say that the new court house is nice. But was it necessary to build it so big, or make it so extravagant? After all, the main purpose of the court house is to punish people for committing crimes, not to visit the Hilton! I am curious to know how much the huge tower on top of the building cost. I understand that we needed a nicer court house and that it needs to be built to last, but I believe they went over board. Even in Marion County, they spent all that money and built that huge courthouse, but yet almost everything is still done in the old one. I just really feel that all of that money spent on the unnecessary extravagant things could have been put to better use in all of the counties that are getting the new courthouses. Our economy is struggling and people in the communities, are losing their jobs. It is terrible that the tax payers that contributed to the new building will have to be in the courthouse being sued when they lose their jobs, homes, and fall behind on bills.
finally a post on topix that makes sense
humbled

Clarkson, KY

#3 Dec 22, 2008
I totally agree. As I was going through town today I had the same thought. Why are we as taxpayers paying for all this? I have been to the existing court house and never had problems obtaining what I needed there or I just mailed it in. I know that some are hoping that the court house and jail brings more business to the downtown area but, if you don't have jobs what is the use of going downtown. You have no money to spend in stores and you can't afford to eat at the restuarants. I am just waiting for another tax increase on my home, car or paycheck where it is already stretched to the max.
Cosmo

Jasper, IN

#4 Dec 22, 2008
Warren County has built two Justice Centers in the last 15 years---and your--yes YOUR--taxes went to pay for them! I glad that the folks in Warren are now paying for ours. The new Justice center in Marion hasn't even been built yet--what you are talking about is the County building.
playball

Caneyville, KY

#5 Dec 22, 2008
just venting wrote:
I have to say that the new court house is nice. But was it necessary to build it so big, or make it so extravagant? After all, the main purpose of the court house is to punish people for committing crimes, not to visit the Hilton! I am curious to know how much the huge tower on top of the building cost. I understand that we needed a nicer court house and that it needs to be built to last, but I believe they went over board. Even in Marion County, they spent all that money and built that huge courthouse, but yet almost everything is still done in the old one. I just really feel that all of that money spent on the unnecessary extravagant things could have been put to better use in all of the counties that are getting the new courthouses. Our economy is struggling and people in the communities, are losing their jobs. It is terrible that the tax payers that contributed to the new building will have to be in the courthouse being sued when they lose their jobs, homes, and fall behind on bills.
The problem I have with the new court house is it should have been built away from the road more. It would look better back off of the road to where you can really see it. Now the bell tower is something else. Why is the clock so small. They might as well left it off because it is hard to see. As far as Marion Co., that is not a court house. That hasn't been built yet. What they have is a Gov. building.
Fine

Campbellsville, KY

#6 Dec 23, 2008
Well, I for one, think it has greatly improved the east end of Main Street. Now if something could just be done with the Glass Shop, Lynns Wholesale Electric junky store and the nasty Firestone store that end of town would certainly look much nicer and cleaner.

Yes, your tax dollars are paying for it, but there was also a significant amount of state funding involved, and if our court hadn't accepted it to build this building, they'd have lost that money.

Once the old Merchants Hotel renovation is complete, and if we can get the rest of some of those nasty buildings cleaned up on Main Street, we'll have an nice downtown.

I'm not gonna complain about the courthouse/jail because it wasn't that long ago that the old Parks Belk, Dollar General and Jeffries Feed and Seed were MAJOR MAJOR eyesores...oh how quickly we forget.
dipstick

Lexington, KY

#7 Dec 23, 2008
the places you call eyesores make people money that pile of brick on the corner of main and central cost people money maby your the old eyesore
nosey rosey

Destin, FL

#8 Dec 23, 2008
The Parks Belk Building was not an eyesore, it was ill-kept just as the old Merchant's Hotel was...by the same old fellow. Other towns have used buildings such as Parks Belk as cornerstones of their renaissance. Not some multi-million dollar out of scale building paid for by taxpayers who now don't have enough money to run government. So much could have been done if the people of this County would do something other than bitch on topix
Fine

Campbellsville, KY

#9 Dec 23, 2008
Well Nosey Rosey, hop off here and get to it then! Let's see, I bet you live in a Glass House don't you?

The Parks Belk Building was an eyesore. Windows broken, bricks, siding, alumnium falling off...it was a nasty old building. And, Merchants Hotel has been bought by someone else and is being renovated. Mr. Sapp never cared enough to renovate anything. All he did was let stuff deteriorate.

Sheldon Jeffries is probably making more money now than he ever was at the old location, and in the end, he ended up taking an eyesore in the old Carnation plant and turning it into something! Credit Sheldon for that.

If you can't see the improvement on Main Street, then you're obviously blind, or else ignorant like 90% of the rest of the people who post on Topix.
Fine

Campbellsville, KY

#10 Dec 23, 2008
Oh, and I believe that the Merchants Hotel will be the cornerstone of the downtown Renaissance as you so eloquently put it. But, it has nothing to do with the previous owners who let it turn into shambles.

Thank God not every business person in this town lets thier buildings turn into condemned junk holes.

By the way, another eyesore is the old Central Motor Lodge. I guess the city won't condemn it since its owner is a City Councilman? And, while we're on eyesores, how bout the Fruit of the Loom Building? Oh wait, we can't tear that down since it is our heritage...it built this town...so therefore we must look at a large, junky, rat infested building forever as a nice reminder.

We have all these eyesores around, and you all are bitchin about a new courthouse? Geez. Grow up.
just venting

Hawesville, KY

#11 Dec 23, 2008
well when you guys are bankrupt and needing somewhere to turn, you will be thinking of all the money the government wasted making that new EXPENSIVE courthouse. I don't give a [email protected], how pretty the town looks, i care about the people and kids that are losing their homes, going hungry, and that are sad and depressed because right now there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
nosey rosey

Destin, FL

#12 Dec 23, 2008
I said the Parks Belk building could have been renovated had anyone in this town wanted to buy it and do it. The city sold the Merchant's Hotel for a buck to somebody who was from California and had ideas about the town.
The courthouse still cost many millions of dollars. And they will have to be paid by the taxpayers of the state. The jail, still not paying its own way, will be a big drag on the county tax payers.
Mr. Nunnery, Ms. Sullivan and several others have been working to fix up the downtown for years. Give credit where credit is due.
Mr. Sapp let his buildings deteriorate...but the city took no steps to stop this from happening.
As for the New Merchants hotel. Last I heard it was supposed to be rennovated into low income housing. Look what e-TOWN did with the dilapidated hotel on their square, as far as housing goes.
Fruit of the loom does not belong to the city or the county. I understood the county was supposed to do upkeep on the property in return for being able to use it for their recycling and junk. Doesn't look like much upkeep is being done.
Fine

Vine Grove, KY

#13 Dec 23, 2008
According to the website...www.merchanttower.co m,

"For many reasons (floor plan, location, feasibility, etc.), this magnificent building is better suited as a multi-use retail/restaurant/office space. Repurposing the building so it has a useful future is the single most important factor to rescuing the building"

As for the courthouse, if it hadn't been built here, it would have gone to some other county and still be paid for the same way. Why shouldn't our officials have taken advantage of the funds available and build it? Every other county around us is getting a new courthouse...if our leaders hadn't of done so, people would have been harping on how "unprogressive" we are since every other county has a shiny new courthouse. I guess everyone can't be pleased no matter what. I still contend it cleans up that end of Main Street a lot.

The jail has only been open a month. It's only a matter of time til it is full...right now there are close to 80 inmates, and nearly 3/4 of those are local inmates that we would have been paying another county to keep (Marion County for example). Before long it will be full, unfortunately for our society, but it will end up paying for itself.

So we end up with the best of both...a renovated, historic building that is going to be retail, office and resaurant space downtown in the old Merchant Hotel/Tower...plus several new businesses downtown (Tulip Tree, Cafe Bonin, Green Room, Twisted Stem) and a more modern end of Main Street with the Courthouse, renovated post office into attorney offices, the classic Methodist Church bldg, etc.)

To me, that is progress and I think it looks good...but again, that's only my opinion.

The best thing that could happen to the FOL building is a fire or a tornado just wipe it out. Maybe a controlled burn for training for statewide firefighters is in order? Perhaps Charlie Shaw should look into that! Talk about some prime real estate for development if that building was just out of the way...

I'm afraid to guess what goes on in that building, but I have a good idea, similar to what was going on in the old Central Motor Lodge before they finally made the owner board it up to restrict access. I'd venture to say people are doing drugs and God knows what else in the FOL building. I really wish our leaders would get on top of the FOL bldg and make something happen with it, but I have a feeling it will stand vacant and crumble for years and years similar to the old steel mills in Pittsburgh did.
nosey rosey

Destin, FL

#14 Dec 23, 2008
I agree that progress is being made. But the court house is too big and totally out of scale with the rest of town. We did not need this big of court house. Look into the series of articles in the Herald Leader about this courthouses in Kentucky. We could have just renovated the Parks Belk Building. We have a champagne appetite on a beer budget. Just because somebody else got a big courthouse does that mean we had to. Some counties chose to renovate old historic buildings.
And about the jail. Our own inmates will not pay for the jail....find out what happened to Adair County when they filled theirs with their own locals.
Fine

Vine Grove, KY

#15 Dec 23, 2008
I don't think anyone ever said our own inmates will pay for the jail. That was never the plan. The plan was, and still is, for the state to use the facility to house inmates from other places that are full. The state, or other counties, will pay for their housing. Given a chance, it will work...and if the economy keeps going to hell it's gonna work pretty fast because we are about to see a big increase in crime as people start getting desperate. Unfortunate, but true.

I'll reserve judgement on the size of the courthouse until we see how the space is used. It will be interesting to tour it once opened and actually get a look inside at what all that space is actually for.

Granted, you do make a point that it is, perhaps, a bit out of scale, but I still think it cleans up that end of town and will look much better once complete and landscaping in place and so forth.

If I'm not mistaken, the huge amount of state funding was for "new construction" not renovation. In some cases, renovation isn't feasible. Remember the library looking at the Ann's Dance studio? It just costs too much.

There's one for ya...we do need a bigger, nicer library...that'll be our next big construction in town..wait and see.

BTW, I like the honest and clean discussion about this that we are having on here. Unlike most topix topics this one has not been diluted with a bunch of crap....yet. I keep waiting though.

To me, that's what this forum is for..for each of us to express our thoughts/opinions honestly and openly and not slam each other for what we think. Actually if everyone on here could do that, we all might learn a thing or two...imagine that!!!
cicero

Monticello, KY

#16 Dec 23, 2008
We are so screwed. These people are taking our money and building Sadaam Hussein palaces for our overlords to hold court. The public officials retire on full pay. I can't do that. You can't do that. It is a rape. Enjoy or not as you choose.
On top of that, the new courthouse is the most grotesque ugly ass building I have seen in my life.
nosey rosey

Destin, FL

#17 Dec 23, 2008
The library is my big concern. When I first moved to Campbellsville, a magistrate was trying to eliminate the Library Tax because his constituents did not use it. We have needed a more up to date library with hours that cater to the people of the community. We need better evening and weekend hours.
I think the property location is a great place. The Ann's Dance old furniture store idea was rather ridiculous because it simply did not have enough space to grow a good library. One small town I lived in long ago and far away signed an agreement with the local college and housed the whole county library and the college library in the same building. County tax dollars purchased books and assisted in the salaries. It was all good. And the hours were great. Something to think about.
big sam

Campbellsville, KY

#18 Dec 23, 2008
nosey rosey wrote:
I agree that progress is being made. But the court house is too big and totally out of scale with the rest of town. We did not need this big of court house. Look into the series of articles in the Herald Leader about this courthouses in Kentucky. We could have just renovated the Parks Belk Building. We have a champagne appetite on a beer budget. Just because somebody else got a big courthouse does that mean we had to. Some counties chose to renovate old historic buildings.
And about the jail. Our own inmates will not pay for the jail....find out what happened to Adair County when they filled theirs with their own locals.
adair makes money dipshit with less than 100 inmates!
Fine

Vine Grove, KY

#19 Dec 23, 2008
That's not a bad idea. CU's library isn't large either...that's not a bad idea at all...
justice

Elizabethtown, KY

#20 Dec 23, 2008
the judical center is not being paid for with tax money. it is fines and court cost that is paid to the Office of the Courts....so keep breaking the law, and pay your fines!!

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