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Allen Parvin
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When will the police ever learn. Most all car chases end up in the very least, an accident. If these boys had committed a felony crime then maybe, and I mean maybe, the chase could have been in order. The problem is that the police, especially small town police, think they just have to have some excitement in their underpaid ho hum job. They want to be heros. I wonder if this cop feels like a hero this morning. Of course, in view of the public, he will be very sorry for the loss of life but the Kearney police are already defending his actions. Today he is still working and looking for the next jay-walking criminal that passes through his city. He more than likely feels no remorse at all. His ticket book and his apprehension of the suspects did no good but he got his violators. What a great service he did for the city of Kearney and the rest of the country. He should be removed from any chance of ever holding a police job anywhere. If he could have gotten close enough would he have shot them? The laws and the forgiveness of our leaders gives him the right to do what he wants. Right or wrong, he is the law. How safe do you feel with this type of "protection" out there? This country needs to totaly re-evaluate their chase policy. My sorrow goes out to each and every family member of all of these people involved in this so called accident. The better term would be murder. I doubt that this will ever reach print but it should and all people should make their voices heard. Yesterday this cop was a terrorist. Our soldiers are fighting and dying to eliminate them is Iraq.
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L From Kearney MO
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I totally agree with you Allen Parvin. Your comment is very well written. Makes me think who the police are really out to protect if anything. I mean these boys left the scene where the police were called to, one report says they left in a calm manner, stopped at the stop signs. At that point what harm were they causing. I mean everyone gets in arguments, but it doesn't mean that we all want to be pursued by police and possibly put to death. The police should have ceased the chase when the suspect increased the speed with dangerous circumstances. They could have taken down the plate number and retrieved the suspects information with that and later confronted the suspect if needed. Todays technology allows that. What are the families to tell these boys' kids? What about the two INNOCENT people, that also lost their lives because of the decision that was made to pursue these boys? I was out driving around that time and I have two young children, that could have been me or any other innocent bystanders that just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. My heart goes out to all the families of these 4 souls that lost their lives. Justice was not served by any means. Our country has enough problems with other countries and such, that we do not need to create our own. Allen Parvin wrote: When will the police ever learn. Most all car chases end up in the very least, an accident. If these boys had committed a felony crime then maybe, and I mean maybe, the chase could have been in order. The problem is that the police, especially small town police, think they just have to have some excitement in their underpaid ho hum job. They want to be heros. I wonder if this cop feels like a hero this morning. Of course, in view of the public, he will be very sorry for the loss of life but the Kearney police are already defending his actions. Today he is still working and looking for the next jay-walking criminal that passes through his city. He more than likely feels no remorse at all. His ticket book and his apprehension of the suspects did no good but he got his violators. What a great service he did for the city of Kearney and the rest of the country. He should be removed from any chance of ever holding a police job anywhere. If he could have gotten close enough would he have shot them? The laws and the forgiveness of our leaders gives him the right to do what he wants. Right or wrong, he is the law. How safe do you feel with this type of "protection" out there? This country needs to totaly re-evaluate their chase policy. My sorrow goes out to each and every family member of all of these people involved in this so called accident. The better term would be murder. I doubt that this will ever reach print but it should and all people should make their voices heard. Yesterday this cop was a terrorist. Our soldiers are fighting and dying to eliminate them is Iraq.
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PROUD AMERICAN
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IF THE KIDS HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, PRAYTELL WHY DID THEY SIMPLY NOT PULL OVER? DO YOU REALLY WANT TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE THE POLICE DON'T DO THEIR JOB? I HAVE LEARNED THAT WHEN I BECAME A PROPERTY OWNER I SUDDENLY REALIZED THE THE POLICE ARE MY FRIENDS AND ARE ON MY SIDE. BEFORE I BECAME A PROPERTY OWNER THEY WERE ALWAYS "THE ENEMY". I GREW UP. THE BLAME LIES CLEARLY ON THOSE FLEEING.
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Lou Lou the pit bull
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So Allen, and L from Kearney, you feel that when these "kids" started speeding and running from the cops, the police should have just backed off? I agree with Proud American if they didnt have anything to hide, they would have pulled over even if they were upset/mad. I think as adults we all know that if you see cops lights in your mirror you are to pull over, not speed up. I am truly sorry for the loss of life, its a tragedy for all families involved, especially the innocent. But what if the cops had backed off and these "kids" didnt stop the crazy driving? And had hit someone and killed them anyway? You would totally be on the other side of the fence wouldnt you? You would want to know where had the police been, why didnt they stop what was happening?
Every decision in life has a consequence and in this case it was a tragic one, and if they had lived by the law it would and could have been avoided.
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COPPER AND PROUD OF IT
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PROUD AMERICAN wrote: IF THE KIDS HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, PRAYTELL WHY DID THEY SIMPLY NOT PULL OVER? DO YOU REALLY WANT TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE THE POLICE DON'T DO THEIR JOB? I HAVE LEARNED THAT WHEN I BECAME A PROPERTY OWNER I SUDDENLY REALIZED THE THE POLICE ARE MY FRIENDS AND ARE ON MY SIDE. BEFORE I BECAME A PROPERTY OWNER THEY WERE ALWAYS "THE ENEMY". I GREW UP. THE BLAME LIES CLEARLY ON THOSE FLEEING. WELL, WELL, WELL, HERE WE GO AGAIN. Joe american, the man who does no wrong and thinks noone else does eitherand likes to sit on his couch with his hand down his pants judging the cops. WELL WAKE UP! THE POLICE HAVE A JOB TO DO, let them do it without judging them on something you'll never have the guts to do. Ever been in a police chase? I have and it's the most intense and scare the hell out of ya thing you'll ever go thru. do you honestly think the depart5ment he works for did not know 100% of the time what was going on while the pursuit was going on? But i'm sorry, need to stick to you, the person who'll just sit back and judge the police instead of having the balls to do it yourself. I bet you're one of these people who bitch about the stop sign ticket but when someone runs over your child playing in the street aftet they run the stop sign then it's the right thing to do "officer give that person a ticket for running a stop sign, how dare he run that stop sign and...." but oh wait, i did the same thing and it was ok/. WELL, THIS OFFICER INVOLVED IN THIS INCIDENT did what his department deemed necessary for the situation at hand. you sir or anyone else unless you are a cop do not have the right to judge his actions because you do not know shit about pursuit policies ...""OOPS DID I SAY PURSUIT POLICIES?"" HMM, GOTCHA WONDERIN NOW DON'T I.....shut your mouthes, have respect for the families of the dead kids and continue to support your local law enforcement, who knows, someday you might need em when your kid runs in a pursuit! oh yeah, and as for the person making the HO HUM JOB SMALL TOWN POLICE COMMENT........think about one thing, while you;re talking about him and his low wage and so on, if he wasn't there, who would do that job, bet your one of those people who like em to their face but talk about em behind their backs......remember without law enforcement and small town cops, there'd be nothing to stop mr. criminal from raping your wife, or killing your kids), or speeding thru your town anytime he wants to, or ..........GET THE POINT?
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COPPER AND PROUD OF IT
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Allen Parvin wrote: When will the police ever learn. Most all car chases end up in the very least, an accident. If these boys had committed a felony crime then maybe, and I mean maybe, the chase could have been in order. The problem is that the police, especially small town police, think they just have to have some excitement in their underpaid ho hum job. They want to be heros. I wonder if this cop feels like a hero this morning. Of course, in view of the public, he will be very sorry for the loss of life but the Kearney police are already defending his actions. Today he is still working and looking for the next jay-walking criminal that passes through his city. He more than likely feels no remorse at all. His ticket book and his apprehension of the suspects did no good but he got his violators. What a great service he did for the city of Kearney and the rest of the country. He should be removed from any chance of ever holding a police job anywhere. If he could have gotten close enough would he have shot them? The laws and the forgiveness of our leaders gives him the right to do what he wants. Right or wrong, he is the law. How safe do you feel with this type of "protection" out there? This country needs to totaly re-evaluate their chase policy. My sorrow goes out to each and every family member of all of these people involved in this so called accident. The better term would be murder. I doubt that this will ever reach print but it should and all people should make their voices heard. Yesterday this cop was a terrorist. Our soldiers are fighting and dying to eliminate them is Iraq. pursuits nearly 100% of the time occur because the person is worse than you think/...drugs int he car, gun in the car, fleeing felon, don'twanna GO BACK to jail or prison, i am willing to bet these kids had more to hide than a simple misdemeanor violation such as drugs, ect.... or they were JUST PLAIN BAD ... EVER CONSIDER THAT? AND AS FOR your re-evaluating their pursuit policies, thats differant with each department genius. and one last thing. PLEASE PLEASE "PLEASE!" DON'T BRING UP THE MEN AND WOMEN SERVING THE COUNTRY IN IRAQ AS A WAY TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A BIG MAN JUST TRYING TO SPREAD THE WORD OF THE TRUTH BULLSHIT. LET THE COPS TO THEIR JOBS AND YOU HANDLE THE BAR-B-Q ON SUNDAYS WITH YOUR FAMILY AND GRANDMA, THAT'S ABOUT THE MOST YOU NEED TO BE CONCERNED WITH, THE BIG BOYS WILL MAKE LIFE SAFER FOR YOU.
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Holt Mo
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The only people who deserve any blame at all in this case is the people who made the choice not to pull over when they heard the police siren and saw the police lights in their rearview mirror. They are the ones who made the wrong choice and they alone are responsible for the death or more like murder of the two innocent people that died. Why didn't they stop? Maybe we'll never know, but you can't blame an officer who's only doing what he was trained to do. And a comment for Allen Parvin our soliders and our police and firemen and all those that serve and protect our country are fighting for our FREEDOM and for the safety of all of us here in the US and abroad. Don't even think of lumping a man who was doing his job in with those vile people who maim and kill for the enjoyment of it. Place the blame squarely where is belongs, on the two men who didn't have the sense to pull over when they should have.
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Veteran Cop
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What a career ending move. Why would you chase a (most likely) known suspect from the scene of a domestic call when the need to arrest is not immediate? I'm all for a good chase and believe they are necessary, but for God's sake, act like you've been there before. If this chase was within policy, it's time for a review. The officer and the City of Kearney are most likely now facing four wrongful death law suits with huge awards at stake. Furthermore, your polital spin doctor (Mayor Bill Dane) is not helping with his quoted comments. Also, would the Kearney Police please engage in a physical fitness program and shave their facial hair. It's not very professional looking.
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Allen Parvin
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Mr Copper.
I don't believe this conversation had anything to do with the running of a stop sign or a lot of your other comments that seem pretty discusting to me. Believe it or not I have been a policeman so I'm not in the dark about pursuit policy. The reason the pursuits you have been in scared you so bad is because you knew that you did not have proper control of your vehicle. Accident after accident has been caused by pursuit of someone that could have been handled much different. Now for the rest of this story. One of the innocent that was killed was a relative of mine and I sir, am damn mad and hurt by what took place. Please don't accuse me of sitting on the couch with my hand down my pants. That was a sick and uncalled for comment coming from an officer of the law. One who seems to need his praise. There are many good cops out there but I am going to pass judgement here and say you don't appear to be one of them. You have your right to speak your thoughts the same as I but where is your respect for other peoples pain? Speaking of guts. I served in the Vietnam war. Try your guts there. You'll find them in your throat.
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Patti
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If anyone knows these roads the pursuit took place, you would know that the cop should have just stopped pursit and taken action in another lawful mannner. The roads they were traveling on are way to dangerous to continue pursuit!
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Upset in Cameron
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I just want to tell the families of Clark and Kathryn how sorry I was to hear the news. I’ve grown up in Cameron-and went to school with Clark- he was just a year younger. When he was born--My family lived across the street, we rode the bus together, and I ended up seeing him and Kathryn every morning (almost) at the local gas station before getting our day started. I cannot believe what happened. I think the cops should of stopped the chase-they could of picked that kid up another time-they knew his information. And because these kids were ignorant, and the cop who chased them the whole time--two innocent people are dead. They had nothing to do with any crime-and I am sure they were on their way to work or coming back from a job and never knew what was about to happen. Let this be ANOTHER example of what cops should and should not do. How many people are going to have to die as innocent bystanders? Where is the justice in that? This seems to be on ongoing problem-and something MORE should be done about it. To all who has been effected by this terrible loss- my heart and prayers go out to you.
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J from kearney missouri
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I am sorry to the families of Clark and Kathryn. I can just imagine what you went through. I too have lost someone who was dear to me before their time was due. I heard about what happened it was very sad that 4 lives were lost in this way. To all of those who either witnessed or knew who was killed, all of my prayers are with all of you. My prayers are even for those who died this horrible death.
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Mike local resident
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This is a shame and I feel very sorry for all envolved. I know the Asst Police Chief involved and I am sorry to say that Allen Parvin is more right than any of you can know. The officer should be relieved of duty, at the very least till the investigation is done. I drive these roads and grew up in this area. This area is small town rural America. It is the way things go, hopefully he will retire.
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Ken
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Moral of story: DO NOT RUN FROM THE POLICE. End of story.
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COPPER
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Allen Parvin wrote: Mr Copper.
I don't believe this conversation had anything to do with the running of a stop sign or a lot of your other comments that seem pretty discusting to me. Believe it or not I have been a policeman so I'm not in the dark about pursuit policy. The reason the pursuits you have been in scared you so bad is because you knew that you did not have proper control of your vehicle. Accident after accident has been caused by pursuit of someone that could have been handled much different. Now for the rest of this story. One of the innocent that was killed was a relative of mine and I sir, am damn mad and hurt by what took place. Please don't accuse me of sitting on the couch with my hand down my pants. That was a sick and uncalled for comment coming from an officer of the law. One who seems to need his praise. There are many good cops out there but I am going to pass judgement here and say you don't appear to be one of them. You have your right to speak your thoughts the same as I but where is your respect for other peoples pain? Speaking of guts. I served in the Vietnam war. Try your guts there. You'll find them in your throat. ROUND 2. IF THE PERSON in question is a relative of yours and you've been in law enforcement before then i'd assume he would have had more respect for the law than to run when he should've stopped. i do have respect for the dead, and although these 2 people made a wrong choice and paid for it with their lives i do sympathize with the families and do not wish this loss on anyone. i am sorry for your loss, the fact you served your country i have appreciation for but the bottom line is they made a choice and paid dearly. the cop is not wrong for doing his job. yes some of my comments were uncalled for and for that i apoligyse but i have my opinion and i stated it, right or wrong...... until they invent a better way for pursuits to run their course and law enforcement to do their jobs, this kind of stuff will happen and it's the people that sit around and pass judgement that i can't stand, if that includes you, then so be it.
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COPPER
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Upset in Cameron wrote: I just want to tell the families of Clark and Kathryn how sorry I was to hear the news. I’ve grown up in Cameron-and went to school with Clark- he was just a year younger. When he was born--My family lived across the street, we rode the bus together, and I ended up seeing him and Kathryn every morning (almost) at the local gas station before getting our day started. I cannot believe what happened. I think the cops should of stopped the chase-they could of picked that kid up another time-they knew his information. And because these kids were ignorant, and the cop who chased them the whole time--two innocent people are dead. They had nothing to do with any crime-and I am sure they were on their way to work or coming back from a job and never knew what was about to happen. Let this be ANOTHER example of what cops should and should not do. How many people are going to have to die as innocent bystanders? Where is the justice in that? This seems to be on ongoing problem-and something MORE should be done about it. To all who has been effected by this terrible loss- my heart and prayers go out to you. what everyone doesn't seem to understand is the department is involved the entire time the pursuit is going on, if they don't terminate the officer doesn't have too. if they choose to run, it's their lives they are playing with. the family and friends can sit around and second guess everyone but thats just the way it is. the police chase those that run.
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COPPER
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Veteran Cop wrote: What a career ending move. Why would you chase a (most likely) known suspect from the scene of a domestic call when the need to arrest is not immediate? I'm all for a good chase and believe they are necessary, but for God's sake, act like you've been there before. If this chase was within policy, it's time for a review. The officer and the City of Kearney are most likely now facing four wrongful death law suits with huge awards at stake. Furthermore, your polital spin doctor (Mayor Bill Dane) is not helping with his quoted comments. Also, would the Kearney Police please engage in a physical fitness program and shave their facial hair. It's not very professional looking. is there a video of this that you know of.
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Jason
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Yes there is a video. The Kearney police department have it and havce not released any of it to the public. The Missouri Highway patrol is going to review it.
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Allen Parvin
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Mr Copper. Apology accepted. The only thing that needs to be set straight between us is that the relative that was killed was not the one the police was pursuing. My relative was one of the innocent victims in the pickup. I really don't feel that having a dispute with you or anyone else will do any good now. Lets just agree to disagree and continue with our appointed place in life. I would also say to you to please use good judgement and take the safest way that you can. You implied that you might not be able to stand me. Actually, we could find mutual respect if we really knew each other. Regards.
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Christy
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I am a cousin of the young woman killed in the truck. I think the fault really does lie ont the 2 young men who ran from the police in the first place. If they had nothing to hide then why did they break the law by running from the police at speeds of over 100 miles an hour at times? Now, because of their recklessness, my cousin, her friend and these 2 boys are gone! These boys took someone very special away from many family and friends that loved both Diane and Clark. Where is the justice in that? Diane has a 12 year old son and clark has a young daughter, how are they supposed to deal with this. It's truly tragic!
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