Do you Trust JK's Accounting Version ...

Do you Trust JK's Accounting Version or the State Auditors ?

Created by Dollar Joe on Mar 28, 2012

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JK is 100% Honest, County Taxpayers Owe Him $1,202

JKs Alleged Overage is STILL County Property

D.A. must Investigate JKs accounting & equipment

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“Hey bro, can ya spare a dime?”

Since: Feb 12

Poorhouse, TN

#1 Mar 28, 2012
truth be told wrote:
Listed under FINDING 11.05 Section C it states:

"Adequate documentation was not provided to support all of the cash disbursements. The cunty commissioner provided a list of disbursements and supporting invoices. However, there was no documentation provided to support $472 of these cash disbursements, which were listed as purchases of an ice shave, popcorn, and cotton candy machines. We were unable to determine if other disbursements may also have been made by cash without any documentation."

"due to the above noted deficiencies, we would not account for all trasactions of the sports complex.

We attempted to reconcile receipts with available documentation and/or disbursement listings to determine the amount of cash disbursements; however, we were unable to determine the disposition of receipts totaling $1,202 for the period.

In addition, we could not determine if additional funds may have been received and disbursed by the sports complex."

In other words,$472 of the county's money is missing. A list was provided stating that an ice shaver, popcorn machine, and cotton candy maker were purchased with this money.

Joe is saying he purchased it with his own money and the items are located at his house. But a total of $1,202 is not accounted for properly including the $472.
More questions than answers so far. I voted for a D.A. Investigation this doesn't pass the smell test it stinks worse than the dross dump!

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Since: Feb 11

The Prairie

#3 Mar 28, 2012
Can you say BULLSHIT POLL because none of the options are the truth. The county doesn't owe him a dime. They turned over more than they had receipts for. If money was missing the audit would say so like it did in the another finding and there would already be an investigation.

Here is an idea but it will take an effort on your part and you may have to take your head off of your ass. Call the mayor's office he doesn't like Joe and ask him about it he isn't going to lie to cover for him and I'll bet he'll give you the same details that Debbie turned in more money than they had receipts for and he'll will also tell you that the county did not purchase those machines but he received copies of the receipts for proof of ownership if they were taken to the park then remove and that they shouldn't have been given to the auditor.

It is hilarious how idiots with personal vendettas can try to turn everything into a negative. They turned in more money in 3 months than the old group did in over 6 years yet somehow they are still the bad guys. [email protected] all.

Since: Feb 11

The Prairie

#8 Mar 28, 2012
if only you knew,
Well I think I do have an idea and bet I'm talking to a member of the "Multi Multi Millionaires" Club

Now follow this slowly so you can understand. Maybe call in Bob Sterling to help.

First NO ONE is claiming that any of that $1202 is personal money owed to anyone. It is all money the county took in that was directed used for purchases such as food, drinks, or other supplies at the ball park or that went into the general fund then re-budgeted to the ballpark at a later time.

The only claim to anything is that the receipts turned over for the purchase of 3 machines totaling $497 were not county purchases but receipts of private purchases. Those receipts were not suppose to be turned in to the auditors but used for proof of ownership of the equipment so if it was used at the ballpark then removed there was documents on file that the equipment was not the county's.

As for the $1202.00

If the cash register ran out of tape when they rang up a purchase at the concession stand it would not have been recorded on the register tape because there was not tape in the register so there would be no receipt for that sell nor any other sell until they got more tape. So there wouldn't be any receipts on record for those sells. If was not anyone being overcharged, but simply a transaction that was not recorded.

Also if a check was turned in for a tournament to the mayor's office and they didn't issue a receipt then there wouldn't be a receipt on record for that either. Again it was not anyone being overcharged, but simply a transaction that was not recorded.

But really does it matter what the story is because there isn't any missing money,or the audit would have stated as much the county took in more money than it could show receipts for. So do you actually have an issue other than you hate Joe?
disturbed

Camden, TN

#9 Mar 28, 2012
cwag wrote:
Can you say BULLSHIT POLL because none of the options are the truth. The county doesn't owe him a dime. They turned over more than they had receipts for. If money was missing the audit would say so like it did in the another finding and there would already be an investigation.
Here is an idea but it will take an effort on your part and you may have to take your head off of your ass. Call the mayor's office he doesn't like Joe and ask him about it he isn't going to lie to cover for him and I'll bet he'll give you the same details that Debbie turned in more money than they had receipts for and he'll will also tell you that the county did not purchase those machines but he received copies of the receipts for proof of ownership if they were taken to the park then remove and that they shouldn't have been given to the auditor.
It is hilarious how idiots with personal vendettas can try to turn everything into a negative. They turned in more money in 3 months than the old group did in over 6 years yet somehow they are still the bad guys. [email protected] all.
Are you blind or just stupid? Did you even read the audit report? I see no personal vendetta just someone asking questions of a public official regarding a very damning audit report. And yes it is a collection of 'negative' findings in the report. If someone had not already asked the questions I would. Now it is time for answers not excuses.

Since: Feb 11

The Prairie

#10 Mar 28, 2012
if only you knew wrote:
Don't you just find it COMICAL that all the whining and complaining Joe did while the "Good Old Boy" ballpark association ran the facility, the AUDITOR ONLY finds discrepancies in the accounting when Joe & Deb TOOK OVER?
"Collections at the Benton County Sports Complex were not receipted, deposited, or disbursed properly for the period April 2, 2011, through June 30, 2011. Prior to this period, the Benton County Sports Complex was leased to the nonprofit Benton County Ballpark Association under an agreement with the Benton County Parks and Recreation Board.
The ballpark association ended the lease agreement in April 2011, and a county commissioner volunteered to begin operating the sports complex for the county. Our examination of collections and deposits for the sports complex during this period noted the following deficiencies. "
So BEFORE April 2011 No ACCOUNTING Deficiencies?
In prior Audits there was only a note that the lease was not approved by the Commission, but NO ACCOUNTING deficiencies.
OH MY !!!!!!!!!!
Benton County Ballpark Association was never audited by the comptrollers office because it was masked as a non profit organization that had leased the park when in actuality it was an illegally formed board by the Parks and Recreation Board and held no Non-profit status. They never turned over a dime to the county in the 6 years they ran it, until the quit and turned in the $4,000 left in their account and actually cost the county around $30,000 a year with no return were much of the expenditures this past year were off set by actual money turned back in.

Since: Feb 11

The Prairie

#12 Mar 28, 2012
disturbed wrote:
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Are you blind or just stupid? Did you even read the audit report? I see no personal vendetta just someone asking questions of a public official regarding a very damning audit report. And yes it is a collection of 'negative' findings in the report. If someone had not already asked the questions I would. Now it is time for answers not excuses.
Ofcourse it is a vendetta thats why they are focusing on this where there is no actual wrong doing yet not said a word about actual missing money. I know if you are the same disturbef from Johns site that you are a do or die democrat but never thought you would be stupid enough to be a Benton County Good Ole Democrat right there I loss all respect for ya. This is the same BULLSHIT witch hunt the same idiots have been on since last January and if you can't see that there is no hope for you.

Since: Feb 11

The Prairie

#13 Mar 28, 2012
if only you knew wrote:
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You think you know my ass! Now follow this slowly so you can understand. Maybe call in Bob Sterling whoever the fcuk he is to help.
Let's try this LET'S MAKE AN EXCUSE GAME again.
YOU SAY;
"The only claim to anything is that the receipts turned over for the purchase of 3 machines totaling $497 were not county purchases but receipts of private purchases. Those receipts were not suppose to be turned in to the auditors but used for proof of ownership of the equipment so if it was used at the ballpark then removed there was documents on file that the equipment was not the county's."
THE AUDIT REPORT SAYS;
"However, there was no documentation provided to support $472 of these cash disbursements, which were listed as purchases of an ice shaver, popcorn, and cotton candy machines.
We were unable to determine if other disbursements may also have been made by cash without any documentation. Due to the above-noted deficiencies, we could not account for all transactions of the sports complex."
I SAY;
I TRUST the Auditor.
They (Joe & Debbie) could have taken in $10,000.00 and not reported it. The Auditor says "WE COULD NOT ACCOUNT FOR ALL TRANSACTIONS OF THE SPORTS COMPLEX"
As I said don't believe Joe or me call the Mayor or are you to damn retarded to operate a phone.

“Camden Tennessee”

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#14 Mar 28, 2012
cwag wrote:
<quoted text>As I said don't believe Joe or me call the Mayor or are you to damn retarded to operate a phone.
Too chicken is more like it.
The audit doesn't claim any missing money. No matter how much you wish it did, or how badly you want it to say that, it doesn't. PERIOD.

I said, I admit the register ran out of tape. I didn't say I ran the register at all. If you want to see that as conflicting info, feel free. I can say the lights are on, but that doesn't mean I flipped the switch.
The Mayors office has the documents to back up my rightful ownership of MY stuff, had it for a long time, had it at the time of the audit, why he didn't set them straight is on him, not me.
Sorry, you can sit on here and cry all you want to, but it isn't going to change the facts and the truth.
No money is missing at all. Sorry to burst your little bubble, but that's the facts, no matter how badly you want there to be.

If money was missing, the Comptroller would have said so, in plain English, it would say the words Missing Money, it doesn't because no money is missing.

We welcome the D.A. to look into this, the investigation would last 11 seconds, because no money is missing. Have fun with your campaign of public opinion that you are using misleading information, lies, and twists to accomplish.
We really don't care what you think. Just thought I would drop in and set it straight for the one or two people that might read this and believe you for a second.
Joke Isle

Jackson, TN

#15 Mar 28, 2012
cwag wrote:
<quoted text>As I said don't believe Joe or me call the Mayor or are you to damn retarded to operate a phone.
If Joe and Debbie done such a great job last year why aren't they running the concessions this year?
disturbed

Camden, TN

#16 Mar 28, 2012
Joe Kyle wrote:
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Too chicken is more like it.
The audit doesn't claim any missing money. No matter how much you wish it did, or how badly you want it to say that, it doesn't. PERIOD.
I said, I admit the register ran out of tape. I didn't say I ran the register at all. If you want to see that as conflicting info, feel free. I can say the lights are on, but that doesn't mean I flipped the switch.
The Mayors office has the documents to back up my rightful ownership of MY stuff, had it for a long time, had it at the time of the audit, why he didn't set them straight is on him, not me.
Sorry, you can sit on here and cry all you want to, but it isn't going to change the facts and the truth.
No money is missing at all. Sorry to burst your little bubble, but that's the facts, no matter how badly you want there to be.
If money was missing, the Comptroller would have said so, in plain English, it would say the words Missing Money, it doesn't because no money is missing.
We welcome the D.A. to look into this, the investigation would last 11 seconds, because no money is missing. Have fun with your campaign of public opinion that you are using misleading information, lies, and twists to accomplish.
We really don't care what you think. Just thought I would drop in and set it straight for the one or two people that might read this and believe you for a second.
No need for me to call the Mayor, I read the Audit report. There is no management response and the Auditor always gives the subject of findings an opportunity to respond to the findings with a response. You giving your "Response" to the Auditors Findings on Topix does not change the findings in the Audit Report.

FINDINGS: Violation of three separate T.C.A. Sections right out of the Audit.

"Section 9-2-103, Tennessee Code Annotated (TCA), requires official prenumbered receipts to be issued for all collections. The absence of official prenumbered receipts for all collections increases the risks of fraud and misappropriation. "

"Also, funds collected at the sports complex were not deposited with the county trustee. Section 5-8-207, TCA, requires county officials to deposit public funds within three days of collection. Since receipts were not issued and funds were not deposited, we could not verify total collections for the complex."

"In addition, these cash disbursements were not appropriated by the Benton County Commission as required by Section 5-9-401, TCA, which states that All funds from whatever source derived, including, but not limited to, taxes, county aid funds, federal funds, and fines, that are to be used in the operation and respective programs of the various departments, commissions, institutions, boards, offices and agencies of county governments shall be appropriated to such use by the county legislative bodies.

"In addition, we could not determine if additional funds may have been received and disbursed by the sports complex."

No you are right Joe. The Auditor did not say any money was missing. The Auditor appropriately implied that based on the above that there were so many irregularities and violations of statutory accounting practices it is impossible to know what happened!

Do the County and it's Taxpayers a favor and Don't Volunteer to Manage any more Taxpayer Money!

“Hey bro, can ya spare a dime?”

Since: Feb 12

Poorhouse, TN

#17 Mar 28, 2012
cwag wrote:
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Benton County Ballpark Association was never audited by the comptrollers office because it was masked as a non profit organization that had leased the park when in actuality it was an illegally formed board by the Parks and Recreation Board and held no Non-profit status. They never turned over a dime to the county in the 6 years they ran it, until the quit and turned in the $4,000 left in their account and actually cost the county around $30,000 a year with no return were much of the expenditures this past year were off set by actual money turned back in.
Since you are the unofficial GoTo guy when it comes to County financial matters let me ask you a few questions.

1. What was the terms of the lease held by the Benton County Ballpark Association?

2. How much according to the lease were they obligated to turn over to the County?

3. Why didn't Commissioner Debbie Dye contact CTAS and find out what legal obligations she and Joe would have to comply with before setting up their own little business enterprise at the County Ballpark.

4. How many T.C.A. Violations did Commissioner Debbie Dye violate while she and Joe ran the Ballpark?

Since: Feb 11

The Prairie

#18 Mar 28, 2012
Joke Isle wrote:
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If Joe and Debbie done such a great job last year why aren't they running the concessions this year?
Because they never wanted to run it in the first place they just did it for the county when the other group quit after the budget committee asked to see the books and when other volunteers quit after they started demanded pay.

Since: Feb 11

The Prairie

#20 Mar 28, 2012
Dollar Joe wrote:
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Since you are the unofficial GoTo guy when it comes to County financial matters let me ask you a few questions.
1. What was the terms of the lease held by the Benton County Ballpark Association?
2. How much according to the lease were they obligated to turn over to the County?
3. Why didn't Commissioner Debbie Dye contact CTAS and find out what legal obligations she and Joe would have to comply with before setting up their own little business enterprise at the County Ballpark.
4. How many T.C.A. Violations did Commissioner Debbie Dye violate while she and Joe ran the Ballpark?
1. and 2. Have asked many times for a copy but never given a copy of the agreement if one even exists. Commissioner Patton insured us all that the park would support itself.

3. 4. Buisness Enterprise? The county was backed in corner so actually 3 commissioners original started out running and only Debbie and Joe were able to stick it out the whole season. I guess they could have just closed the park.

Since: Feb 11

The Prairie

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Since: Feb 11

The Prairie

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“Hey bro, can ya spare a dime?”

Since: Feb 12

Poorhouse, TN

#23 Mar 28, 2012
I just got done reading the front page of the Camden News and several Audit findings were discussed with the Ballpark mentioned on page 2. It says an individual not naming who gave the Mayor receipts for the machines.

Wonderful! Where did the money come from to buy them? Unaccounted Cash taken in, Unaccounted Cash dispersed!

Who owned the cash register that kept running out of tape? Did Joe give the Mayor a receipt proving it belonged to him too?

Joe giving the Mayor receipts for equipment purchased proves nothing except there are still more questions than plausible answers.

Since: Feb 11

The Prairie

#24 Mar 28, 2012
Dollar Joe wrote:
I just got done reading the front page of the Camden News and several Audit findings were discussed with the Ballpark mentioned on page 2. It says an individual not naming who gave the Mayor receipts for the machines.
Wonderful! Where did the money come from to buy them? Unaccounted Cash taken in, Unaccounted Cash dispersed!
Who owned the cash register that kept running out of tape? Did Joe give the Mayor a receipt proving it belonged to him too?
Joe giving the Mayor receipts for equipment purchased proves nothing except there are still more questions than plausible answers.
Are you accusing Joe of stealing from the ballpark? What proof do you have for that allegation? Don't believe the paper? Well pull your head out of your ass and call the Mayor's office and ask him. You are implying a lot of stuff with nothing to back it up. Again the audit DOES NOT state any missing money at the ballpark.
Joke Isle

Brighton, TN

#25 Mar 28, 2012
cwag wrote:
<quoted text> Because they never wanted to run it in the first place they just did it for the county when the other group quit after the budget committee asked to see the books and when other volunteers quit after they started demanded pay.
If that was the case i wonder why he "Bought" all that equipment knowing he wouldn't be back.
Stomp Out Ignorance

Jackson, TN

#26 Mar 28, 2012
cwag wrote:
<quoted text>or are you to damn retarded to operate a phone.
Way out of line there! How dare you use such a reference! THAT is NEVER appropriate! If you were in my presence, you would eat a bar of Dial soap for that!

But it does go to show you have no respect for anyone. Once again, you are a disgrace to Eagle Scouts everywhere!!

Since: Feb 11

The Prairie

#27 Mar 28, 2012
Joke Isle wrote:
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If that was the case i wonder why he "Bought" all that equipment knowing he wouldn't be back.
Call him and ask him. Considering they were never taken to the park its apparent he didn't.

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