Currituck mid-county bridge to cost $460M

The long-awaited mid-county bridge linking Currituck's mainland and Outer Banks would cost $459.6 million, take four years to build and cost users a toll of between $6 and $12, officials said Tuesday.

[SCo]

This is a perfect example of the tax payers being rig off by the Con men and their ignorant followers. Spending 460M to benefit the profit and greed of a few. We fought a Revolutionary war to get away from this type of tyranny that involved a lot less.

[Ronnie Roach]

It was my understanding that the majority of the cost would be recouped by the tolls placed on the bridge. I think this is probably the best tax plan available - those that use it pay for it.

[Carova Kid]

Exactly! Tolls will pay the biggest part of the cost to build so don't use cost to try to demean the project. These same tolls will also serve to keep every Virginian and his brother from using the bridge as a new route onto the OBX. People don't even stop to think of the traffic burdens to the area that the bridge will aleviate. Kitty Hawk and Southern Shores can return to much as it was before the North Beaches developed. Duck also will be much better off without all the North Beach traffic passing through. Then there is the hurricane evacuation benefits. Right now everybody on the OBX has to cross the Bonner bridge. Wouldn't it be nice to have a second evacuation route across the sound? What if there was a failure to the Bonner Bridge? At least there would be an alternate route. To be honest, I don't see how we can not build the bridge. It's a no-brainer! Let's quit dragging our feet and do it before it is obsolete already!

[SCo]

How ignorant do you think American people are? Socialist buy that garbage but not Americans. That thrash is an out and out lie.
You have never seen any of what you say happen and you won’t. There is no profit unless the tax payers are feeding the program. The insiders know it and those who are force to pay at threat to their families know it. All and I mean Millions of dollars, of indirect moneys will be siphoned off out of tax payer’s funds at NO return to them.
The rapped increase in the destruction and pollution of what is left of the beach and the mainland will cost the home and property owner thousands. While the out of state localy owned government continue to put American lives at danger for their profit.
Both of you sound like you are out to make a fast buck at the local’s expense.

[Carova Kid]

Is it just me or does your paranoid political blubbering not make any sence? All we are talking about here is an improvement in infastructure and a plan to eleviate as much expence as possible to the taxpayer. Do you forget in the first place how many tax dollars that stretch of beach provides for currituck county? Let's spend some of that on the people that provide it and not on RUN DOWN HORSE FACILITIES for truely special interests. P.S. Do you realize what children go through to attend school when they live at the North Beach? This is Currituck County and Currituck's beach. Why should we have to go 60+ miles out of our way and through an other county to go to our own beach? PSS Don't worry about overdevelopment of the coastal area. The insurance companies have already seen to it that that will not happen! Now we need work elsewhere and a route to get there!

[SCo]

Typical socialist minded thinking; you hide behind the kids and spout off how you provide us with all that great revenue. I was born and raised here; my family goes back pass to 1700’s. So don’t sit here and tell me how we need that beach. We can do just fine with or with out it. It is a place to visit not live. People that move and live their, care more about putting their butt floss in the sun and having people wait on them, then they do about their kids. Other wise they would not be there in the first place. I personally could care less about that beach or the bridge but for one small detail. The people moving here and the scalawag that support the overdevelopment of the county and the beach do not care about the quality of life their making. They are only looking at the money. This shows the lack of leadership that the people controlling the local government have. People like you are the problem, not part of the solution. You are destroying this county with your ignorance. You want people to give you 460M+ of their hard work, work they need to use to supports their families, just so you and other twits like you can part you’re A!! in the sun. May be driving 60+ miles will give you time to think about the skin cancer.
Although if the current socialist batch of presidential candidates get in, the tax payer will be paying for your medical bills any way.

[Ronnie Roach]

Carova Kid,

It is not just you. SCo should care about this beach. That beach has allowed the people of Dare and Currituck Counties to have more services and options than many of their inland neighbors.

SCo seems so filled with hate that they are having a tough time seeing the big picture.

[SCo]

The American tax payers are with in their right to hate the people that steel from there family as well as destroy their homes. I do not need or want your services. As long as we are force to live under the rule of people like you we will always have a form of government which consists of rule by an elite groups who rule in their own interests, especially the accumulation of wealth and privilege. Yon in sure that only certain members of society will have a valid voice in the government. Just as King George wanted, the rest of us will work to pay so you can play. It’s known as an Oligarchy/Plutocracy.

[Ernie]

Roach, it seems like you pop out of the woodwork concerning about every controversial subject on the Outer Banks. I don't think you are a local. Where do you come from? Mexico?

[Dondo]

I get it....Poncho Roacho & Cisco Carova Kid...gringos from South of the Border???
I thought everyone on the obx came from yankeeland.
Ha!!

[Ronnie Roach]

I sure do like Mexican Food.

[Jimmy]

As a life long resident of Currituck County, until I was displaced up north, Ill be the first to admit that traffic in the summer from Grandy south is terrible. Something needs to be done. But knowing the history of development there it just seems that as soon as you put that bridge in it will just increase development in the northern areas of the beach and traffic wont get better because more people will be coming. When they made the highway 4 lanes years ago to releave the traffic around Moyock and points south how long did that help. A couple of years and then we were right back where we started. I dont know what the solution is but it seems that putting a bridge through some of the little natural habitat Currituck has left isnt the answer.

[Hating trailer park trash]

SCo. I'm with you on this one! Good for you letting these "folks" know what the real deal is...as for Corolla and Carova..Keep it, I have not felt like they were part of the mainland since I was a kid back-in-the-day playing in the old hunt club. Corolla and Carova decided they were better, they made their plan for a political "take over”. I don’t know which is worse, they got Ernie and we got Barry, both with deep ties to that piece of Yankee ridden land..I have grown so tired of Yankees telling us “how we should do it, because their smarter” attitude…Horses cannot roam no more, the beauty is gone..All because horses might crap on your sod…may Neptune and Mother Nature with all their might claim what is the theirs..(No one be harmed or injured though)
Good riddance oh great OBX (good grief!)

[Ronnie Roach]

SCo and Hater,

OK, I will take the bait.

I am not sure you are really portraying the "Real Deal" to the "folks". The tax revenue from the Currituck Beaches pay a significant portion of Currituck's tax base.

Whether you feel "connected" to the folks on the beach really doesn't matter much to the issue at hand. The bottom line is that the bridge will be paid by those using it - it will not take money out of your pocket or destroy homes. It might even create a better tax base for your county which will offer more opportunity to you and your family.

[Rich]

SCo wrote:

Both of you sound like you are out to make a fast buck at the local’s expense.

If you want the beach to yourself, simply buy up all the other properties and no one will come. Most of the people there depend on the people coming from elsewhere to spend their money and pay you to live there. Don't fool yourself, you need them. You want to stop development but that also provides income for many locals. Without visitors, there would be very few residents unless you fish for a living.

[SCo]

I wish I had a dollar for every time I have heard the song and dance about tax base, tax base. That is trash and has always been political bull used by developers and realtor to push through their projects at taxpayer expense. I or my family does not need your opportunity you say you will offer. We can do just fine with out it, and have. I also know more then a few that have done well for themselves and their family with out destroying others homes.
I’m connected to the beach but, your not connected to reality if you do not think that the taxpayer will not pay for the bridge. They have already paid millions and the bridge is not built. The fact that you and others like you don’t understand how you are destroying others homes is not surprising. As it has been shown in many studies that the urban sprawl you want to create, has a major negative effect on the health and environmental of places like Currituck. Residents of sprawling neighborhoods emit more pollution per person and suffer more traffic fatalities. Sprawl supporters claiming that consumers prefer lower density neighborhoods and that sprawl does not necessarily increase traffic. We all know this is bull. Sprawl is also linked with increased crime and vandalism. Sprawl negatively impacts land and water quantity and quality and is shown to be linked to a decline in social capital.
Then there is the problem with population density and the number of rules that must be imposed. As people are moved closer together geographically their actions are more likely to noticeably impact others around them. This potential impact requires the creation of additional socialist rules to prevent conflict. Individual Freedoms and liberties are lost because of this. An example would be as houses become closer together the acceptable maximum volume of noise decreases, or use of ones personal property is no longer allowed as it becomes intrusive to other residents. One becomes imprisoned in their own homes. It is no longer a home it is a cell.
Quality of life has been eroded by the lifestyles sprawl promotes. It Conflict with the clean and descent lifestyle in rural areas of America. It turns forest and fields into slums and parking lots and neighbors into drug pusher and criminals. It turns quiet country road in to a killing ground for kids and pets. It drowns out the sounds of wild life and obliterates the stars from the night sky. Most people agree that unchecked development is a bad deal, for commuters, for taxpayers, for the environment.
If the bridge is put in and the developers build it is because the ones in our government don’t care and are owned by the money. Americans can fight the soft war now or the hard one later.

[Carova Kid]

SCo,
I see why your blubbering doesn't make sence half the time. I see a large percent of what you had to say in your last post was straight off the Wikipedia definition of urban sprawl. But once again you misconstrude the info you were reading. You contradicted yourself when you said the the high population density caused by urban sprawl was a problem. The real problem with urban sprawl is LOW DENSITY. That is the urban sprawl argument! People occupy more space than is necessary therfore adversly effectin the enviroment. That is an argument that could be debated to no end. City mouse vs. country mouse. Please get your fact straight before putting you typing fingers in gear. P.S. This forum is for expressing peoples opinions. Not a place to enable you to engage in an argument and hide behind your computer while you use google and who knows what ever else resources to make yourself sound superhuman smart about all the issues. If you do have all the answers let's see your name on the county commissioner ballet. It shouldn't be too hard to beat Ernie this go round! P.S. Don't forget to tell us all your name so we can vote for you!

[SCo]

Kid
Your comprehension has failed you again. You can use Yahoo, Google or numerous other search engine to research urban sprawl and its bad effects on the quality of life. It is plain that what you are afraid is that people may start asking questions and stop the destruction of their homes and their county. This worries you because if this happens it will make it hard for you and your commissioner buds to rip the citizens off.
In true socialist mind set you think you own the forum and the people on it. Any one who has a different opinion is frustrating to you so want to shut them up. Hum - sound like the commissioners telling citizens to shut up and sit down at the meetings.

[Hating trailer park trash]

Ronnie Roach wrote:

SCo and Hater,
OK, I will take the bait.
I am not sure you are really portraying the "Real Deal" to the "folks". The tax revenue from the Currituck Beaches pay a significant portion of Currituck's tax base.
Whether you feel "connected" to the folks on the beach really doesn't matter much to the issue at hand. The bottom line is that the bridge will be paid by those using it - it will not take money out of your pocket or destroy homes. It might even create a better tax base for your county which will offer more opportunity to you and your family.

Sorry Mr. Roach you are incorrect, it will destroy homes and decrease value but..it is needed, if you think it is because I care about getting anyone to the great "land-o-the Yankee and blush wine drinkers" abode well forget it. I want the bridge so that these maniac drivers will quit killing my fellow "Currituckians". Give them a quicker route in which to travel and run amuck. There is one thing I would like to say to you Mr. Roach, there is NO benefit to me or my family regarding this bridge, I didn’t go to college to become a toll operator,(no offense to toll workers, we love you all) I know some of those out there think we are uneducated so that comment was for them...
While I respect your opinion Mr. Roach I disagree with you on many levels, I would get upset except I think I know you...
As for a tax base I think you have been around long enough to remember that that area was not always the tax base that it is now. Have you noticed that for all this "tax base" there is nothing for the children of Currituck to do? Parents must pay for their children to do or go anywhere, Dare County has the YMCA and Corolla has a nice skate park, something we needed here on the mainland. I know we have the two parks but last time I went to the one at Maple they took the trails away, guess Gene wanted more land for “da planes”
A bridge coming straight from the backside of Virginia would have been my choice, bypass the whole mainland but no-one asked me.
Mr. Roach I am but one of many who have not sold their sole to the tourists....now where’s that Nor’easter so we can start all over again?
Within my comments I wish no harm to any persons, or animals (Corolla Horses)
I respect the rights of others and appreciate diversity in most forms.

[Ronnie Roach]

I wish you were a little more specific about the "destroying homes" and "decreasing values" argument. While a very few homes might need to be moved, I don't think the new bridge will destroy or damage Currituck County. On the contrary - I believe it will expand opportunity for those on both sides of the sound.

I will be glad to discuss the economic issues regarding the Currituck Bridge. Feel free to contact me and I will be glad to hear your side and share mine. http://www.ronnieroach.com No nasty comments - no yelling - just a friendly discussion of the facts - I will even let you buy lunch.

As for the services for the children - I could not agree more. I think we all need to embrace the fact that we live in a County that people want to spend time and money in during the summer months. Why not take a portion of that revenue and increase the quality of life for those that live here all year? It is not a matter of selling your soul - it is a matter of managing resources. We should face the facts - we live on a commodity - people love our beaches. Why not embrace the opportunity which benefits everyone. Dare County has made great strides - I am sure Currituck could do the same.