Vietnam Memorial on display (VIDEO)

[farmboy]

citigirl wrote:

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Farmie! I'm smart enough to know that YOUTUBE is not a credible source.
Go find a sheep to play with.
:) citi

Smartie!
Why aren't you in Iraq to serve?
Remember to vote for Mr. Mccain so you can be there for the next 100 years.

[The Real Truths]

Bill,
I appreciate your level tone and your honesty. And I can only speak from my own experience. But I will never deny that experience just to "get along."
I have spoken many times to the parents of a real good friend who died at my feet. He did NOT support the war! He wanted only to get home, party for while then get back to school. He expected to marry his long-time girlfriend and have a family, but first we would get together and spend some time at Lake Champlain and then Erie.

His parents wanted to believe that his service was in defense of our freedoms. And who can deny them that? But the last time I spoke with them,(his father has since died) they spoke of the war in Iraq and his Dad said he was afraid that it was just as wrong-headed as VietNam. I NEVER discussed with them Jack's anger about the war.

If certain people want to declare that every death of a US soldier on foreign soil is a NOBLE death, then I am afraid we are condemning future generations to the same arrogance of power displayed by this administration. And the same cavalier attitude regarding their service.

In my opinion, the best support I can extend to our troops in Iraq is to continue to fight to get them home, before their names get etched on a wall.

[Mot Nguoi Viet]

There must be some thruth in this?

The Most Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

The Pentagon Papers: Secrets, Lies and Audiotape
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB48/

Mike Gravel - The Pentagon Papers
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Pentagon Papers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers

"The man who leaked the Pentagon Papers talks about why five American presidents lied about Vietnam..."
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/...
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/guides/d...

[FIRREA]

Countries, boundaries, cultures, and skin colors have created conflicts and racist & discrimination within the human race. They created the term "if it's not us, who care". Well, I say "let's start caring". Let's start building our homes as well as "foriegn" people homes.

Yeah, it might be wrong to be saying "VN and Iraq wars are to defense our freedoms", but the wars are for somebody Freedom and Democracy, right? If you ask a South Vietnamese, they will say "yes, I like to have Freedom and Democracy and thank you American for a great effort". If you go ask a common Iraqi, what do you think he or she would say concerning the effort of American in their country? What about the South Korean? Tiawainese?

[The Real Truths]

The Iraqis have been polled many times and the majority do NOT want us there.

As for VietNam when WWII ended Ho Chi Minh appealed to the US for assistance in keeping the French from returning. It is no secret that he penned his declaration of independence using ours as a model. There are many ways things could have evolved if the US had at least listened to Vietnamese viewponts rather than automatically siding with the French colonialists.

The communists had an idea of how the country should be ruled and so too did those who were made wealthy by cooperating with the French.

The agreed to elections could have gone a long way toward unifying the entire country. And millions of lives may have been spared. Not to mention the devastation of the countryside by bombings and Agent Orange.

Again, the military efforts are for the most part about maintaining a status quo which benefits the wealthy and the corporations. If something resembling democracy emerges well good! If not Oh well.

[FIRREA]

"The communists had an idea of how the country should be ruled and so too did those who were made wealthy by cooperating with the French."
LOL.

I think you should go research on all the counties that went through Communism.
What did Communist Lenin and Stalin do to the Soviets in the 20's and 30's?
What did Communist Mao did to the Chinese in the 60's?
What Communist Pol Pot did to Cambodia in the 70's? BTW, "The Killing Fields" is a great movie.
What Ho Chi Minh did to North Vietnam in the 50's? Land Reform?
And than after 1975?
What about North Korea and Cuba? How did they turn out?

The Communists' idea is now in the trash.

[VCbac ky cho de]

Smedley wrote:

So what's your story, Firrea? That not an American name. Are you an ignorant immigrant? Go back where you came from and take your whelps with you.

i am an imagrant you piece of VCbac ky cho de

[VCbac ky cho de]

Smedley wrote:

I say again, if you weren't born here, leave. And take your whelps with you.

and i say to you if your ancestor were not born here, then you first.
guess who were here first even before columbus.

[FIRREA]

Smedley wrote:

So what's your story, Firrea? That not an American name. Are you an ignorant immigrant? Go back where you came from and take your whelps with you.

I know an American names Kevin. I know one name Carlos. I know one name Chow. And I know one even name Mahamoud. I don't know, how do you determine that a name is or is not "an American name"?

If all immigrants are to return to their original land, this "America" continent belongs to the Native American. And you my friend, should go too.

Individuality leads to the path of discrimination. Are you in that path?

[The Real Truths]

FIRREA wrote:

"The communists had an idea of how the country should be ruled and so too did those who were made wealthy by cooperating with the French."
LOL.
I think you should go research on all the counties that went through Communism.
What did Communist Lenin and Stalin do to the Soviets in the 20's and 30's?
What did Communist Mao did to the Chinese in the 60's?
What Communist Pol Pot did to Cambodia in the 70's? BTW, "The Killing Fields" is a great movie.
What Ho Chi Minh did to North Vietnam in the 50's? Land Reform?
And than after 1975?
What about North Korea and Cuba? How did they turn out?
The Communists' idea is now in the trash.

That was up to the Vietnamese to decide. Not you, or me or Eisenhower.

[VCbac ky cho de]

Are you a neanderthal?

[VCbac ky cho de]

let me guess, Genghis Khan got a piece of your ancestor.

[VCbac ky cho de]

Smedley wrote:

Are you a dink, slope, or gook?

no
i am a razorblade

[FIRREA]

The Real Truths wrote:

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That was up to the Vietnamese to decide. Not you, or me or Eisenhower.

To this day, the People of Vietnam get to decide NOTHING. With the grip of the Vietnam Communist Party, the People of Vietnam will never decide anything.

[Phiengung]

Smedley wrote:

I forgot, "zipperhead", "splib" and "slant eye".

Why are most sickos like this brut smedley all love vietcong?

Seek help quickly sicko. I don't want to hear bad news about you not because I care about you but the poor standby

[FIRREA]

Smedley wrote:

Everything I see on TV is that Vietnam is doing quite well. And today, Vietnamese military personnel are training in the U.S. on military bases. Just as long as U.S. oil companies get their drilling permits in the Spratly Islands. "Xin Loi", as we used to say.

Was I talking about those corrupted VCP leaders doing bussiness with foriegners that they once called "capitalist pigs"?

No I was talking about this:
A pro-Democracy activist in VN gets his mouth cover-up in court...
http://video.google.com/videoplay... \

If you want to see more Vietnamese suppressed by the VCP, let me know.

[Mot Nguoi Viet]

The Real Truths wrote:

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That was up to the Vietnamese to decide. Not you, or me or Eisenhower.

Smedley wrote:

Everything I see on TV is that Vietnam is doing quite well. And today, Vietnamese military personnel are training in the U.S. on military bases. Just as long as U.S. oil companies get their drilling permits in the Spratly Islands. "Xin Loi", as we used to say.

Thank you.

Year of the Pig

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.cinemapolitica.org/films/122
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Year_of_t...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.cinemapolitica.org/films/122
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Year_of_t...

[Phiengung]

Smedley wrote:

I really get angry at all the Vietnamese who didn't fight for their country, and left it to us young American poor dumb saps (sorry-assed privates) to become fodder for your cowardice on orders of our shameless leaders.

Smedley,

I thank you for your service in Vietnam all those years ago.

As to whether you were sent there against your will, I can't do anything about that. Your complaint about (South) Vietnamese who didn't fight for their country, you are right to criticize them. We, Vietnamese people, have paid a very high price for not fighting for our own country.

If you want to comment about Vietnam, all I ask from you is a well-balance view, don’t be like those American left leaning press who had aided Vietcong by their bias reports about the war you involved many years ago

I still feel your name callings on this forum distasteful.

[FIRREA]

Smedley wrote:

I really get angry at all the Vietnamese who didn't fight for their country, and left it to us young American poor dumb saps (sorry-assed privates) to become fodder for your cowardice on orders of our shameless leaders.

I think the group of people who you should be angry at is the US gov't. Instead of training the South, the US put too much effort in the war. By the time they figured it out in 1972, it was too late. And yes, by that time, the South became so corrupted because of the US money that they were not able to fight without the US soldiers.

99% of all leaders are shameless. Now, how are we going to check those shameless leaders? In VN, no body can check those shameless VCP leaders.

[Mot Nguoi Viet]

"While the Vietnamese navy is involved in drug importing, pro-Thieu elements of the Vietnamese army (ARVN) manage much of the distribution and sale of heroin to GIs inside South Vietnam."
http://members.tripod.com/~nguyentin/heroin-4...
"Ambassador Ellsworth Bunker’s Cable Concerning Corruption in South Vietnam"
http://www.generalhieu.com/bunker-2.htm