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#102
Nov 12, 2012
 
(@ just saying) explain the poor. who is the poor that you speak of? are they poor by choice? because they will not work. have they been injured and can not work no fault of thier own? I am not tring to be cynical I really would like to know why is thier so many poor. and just because you do not agree that Obama care is unfunded will not change the fact that it is unfunded and your taxes are going up and the country is going deeper in debit Obama can not spend us out of debt but that is his only plan you seem to look for the republican to fix Obama care it should be repealed and this fantasy of not raising your taxes if they raise taxes on the rich is a pre planned strategy to blame the republicans for raising the tax on the middle class which is Obama's plan all along tell me why it is fair to raise taxes on the people that are already paying 90% of all taxes paid just because they worked hard.got lucky with a company or what ever short of theft you would not want to pay 91% tax rate if you were making that money I would wonder why work if I had to pay 91% of my pay check so others would not have to work
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#103
Nov 12, 2012
 
it's because he is a lying sack of sh*t
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#104
Nov 13, 2012
 
dont care wrote:
(@ just saying) explain the poor. who is the poor that you speak of? are they poor by choice? because they will not work. have they been injured and can not work no fault of thier own?
They are all of those things, and more. They are also many elderly citizens, disabled veterans, college students, battered wives, widows, and orphans. If you don't know who the poor people are, I won't be able to explain it to you. I was one of them for several years. It sucks. Most poor people want to work their way into the middle class. Sure, there are a few leeches, and they should be forced to pull their weight.
dont care wrote:
I am not tring to be cynical I really would like to know why is thier so many poor.
Good paying low-skilled jobs are being shipped overseas. College is very expensive. Not everyone has a reasonable path to a decent paying job. More and more wealth is being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. That's the real redistribution of wealth that is going on, and it's facilitated by people like Romney paying a MUCH lower tax rate than middle class working folks. I probably pay more than DOUBLE the tax rate Romney pays!
dont care wrote:
and just because you do not agree that Obama care is unfunded will not change the fact that it is unfunded and your taxes are going up and the country is going deeper in debit
The CBO says it's revenue neutral. I will listen to them, not you, on this issue.
dont care wrote:
Obama can not spend us out of debt but that is his only plan you seem to look for the republican to fix Obama care it should be repealed and this fantasy of not raising your taxes if they raise taxes on the rich is a pre planned strategy to blame the republicans for raising the tax on the middle class which is Obama's plan all along
No, you can't spend your way out of debt. You can spend your way out of a Deep Recession and then you have to start paying it back. Raising taxes on the top 1% to the Clinton rates and cutting spending is the way to do that. I look for the Republicans to finally offer some useful suggestions on health care instead of the vapid "Repeal and Replace" mantra they chanted. That was just a catch phrase that appealed to low-information voters and it didn't work. Nobody wants to raise taxes on the Middle Class. That is an unsubstantiated lie that Tea Baggers want to spread.
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tell me why it is fair to raise taxes on the people that are already paying 90% of all taxes paid just because they worked hard.got lucky with a company or what ever short of theft you would not want to pay 91% tax rate if you were making that money I would wonder why work if I had to pay 91% of my pay check so others would not have to work
They are paying 90% of the taxes because they have 90% of the money! I'm not advocating a 91% tax rate. 40% is plenty. We learned that with the balanced budget in Clinton's last year in office. I was just providing some historical background that the most fortunate in our country were asked to pay far higher taxes than what is being discussed. Back when the top tax rate was so high (they didn't pay 91% of everything they made, just 91% on every dollar over a certain amount - probably something like a million dollars in today's dollars), and when the top tax rate was that high the super wealthy DIDN'T draw huge paychecks. They plowed the money back into their business to grow the business. They build hospital wings and put their names on them. I'm not saying we need to go back to 91%, but people didn't stop working at 91%. They sure won't stop working at 40%!
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Owensboro, KY

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#105
Nov 13, 2012
 
I heard they going have swinger party's at White House next year
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#106
Nov 13, 2012
 
@just saying The CBO says it's revenue neutral. I will listen to them, not you, on this issue.

just one more lie from the democrats tell me where did the money suddenly come from to make Obama care revenue neutral? it has never been funded raising your taxes forcing people to buy insurance at exuberant prices and I guess that you think the price of insurance will not go through the roof after the government enforces this TAX of buy insurance pay fines or go to jail. insurance company will get richer and this montra of every one will be insured is a lie all the poor you listed are on welfare with medical cards now or can get them or are not that poor I don't want a nanny state but that is where this country is headed I just don't understand why that is what you want
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#107
Nov 13, 2012
 
dont care wrote:
@just saying The CBO says it's revenue neutral. I will listen to them, not you, on this issue.
just one more lie from the democrats tell me where did the money suddenly come from to make Obama care revenue neutral? it has never been funded raising your taxes
It's not the Democrats. It's the CBO. I'm not going to debate the accuracy of the CBO analysis. It would be futile.
dont care wrote:
forcing people to buy insurance at exuberant prices and I guess that you think the price of insurance will not go through the roof after the government enforces this TAX of buy insurance pay fines or go to jail.
I expect prices to come DOWN when everyone has to purchase insurance and competition drives down prices. It's not unlike all drivers being required to pay for car insurance.
dont care wrote:
insurance company will get richer and this montra of every one will be insured is a lie all the poor you listed are on welfare with medical cards now or can get them or are not that poor
I have no doubt there will be some that slip through the cracks and part of my insurance premium will be for uninsured people just like part of my auto insurance covers uninsured motorists. I can only hope the appropriate agencies limit the abuses, or I will vote for someone more serious about ferreting out such abuses.
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I don't want a nanny state but that is where this country is headed I just don't understand why that is what you want
A nanny state? Are you serious? Do you get your talking points from Glenn Beck? Rush Limbaugh? Adolf Hitler?

Please explain HOW a market-based Health Care plan (as opposed to a single payer, or Government run health care system) is indicative of a Nanny State.

If you are referring to something else, I'd like to hear it, because all I get from you is worn out rhetoric and talking points. I seriously doubt a fresh idea has popped into your head since 1979.
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#108
Nov 14, 2012
 
Republican wrote:
After reviewing your past posts, and seeing many errors in your responses, I wonder if you would be interested in a debate here on Topix concerning Obama? I will back up everything with mainstream media sources, Fox news will be left out of it. I will even branch out and use the BBC and other world news sources that cover happenings that the mainstream media will not touch. What do you say? Are you up to the task? Or are you an unarmed soldier in a battle of wits? Let's dance!
I'm still waiting for you to pick a topic, or did you start reading something other than Faux News and discover reality?
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#109
Nov 14, 2012
 
just sayin wrote:
<quoted text>I'm still waiting for you to pick a topic, or did you start reading something other than Faux News and discover reality?
Okay Dexter you can chill now. We all know that you are far more superior because you get your information from another propaganda outlet other than his. You rock left wing sheep, you rock!
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#110
Nov 14, 2012
 
John Connor wrote:
Okay Dexter you can chill now. We all know that you are far more superior because you get your information from another propaganda outlet other than his. You rock left wing sheep, you rock!
That's just retarded. If you can't make a cogent argument after calling my ability to debate into question, that makes you a liar, a coward, or an idiot. You pick.
dont care

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#111
Nov 15, 2012
 
@ just saying a nanny state is where the government takes care of you from cradle to grave they do not care about the quality of your life just so you serve the good of the collective that is where this country is headed just like Russia

"I expect prices to come DOWN when everyone has to purchase insurance and competition drives down prices. It's not unlike all drivers being required to pay for car insurance.

dream on now that you have no choice they will charge what ever they want to charge and tell me what competition there will only be one in the end the one that the government runs just like the insurance for Ky employees they get one choice in western Ky. they get one choice in eastern Ky Frankfort has multiple choices

you say it is just like having to buy car insurance how so I can choose to not buy car insurance I can ride the bus call a cab have a friend drive me pay some one to drive me around the choice to buy obama care has been removed. my freedom has been infringed that is why they have to call it a tax the supreme court found that the government could raise taxes and give you insurance but if you are forced to buy insurance it is unconstitutional.

you keep throwing out democrat talking point most of which have already been proven as lies yet you accuse me of using talking talking points from Glenn Beck Rush Limbaugh and Adolf Hitler really? the democrats are the one with the Hitler fantasies at least as far as total control over the country and the people and the elimination of of parts of the people namely the middle class Obama has already stated how he will raise taxes on the middle class I just don't know if you do not care what he does because you are on the lower end of the pay scale and hope you get some freebie hand outs if you are on the upper end of the pay scale and know you are not going to be hurt that badly financially because your money is in a safe place off shore in securities or something similar or if you have just lived and breathed the liberal mantra for so long you can no longer see or believe the truth about what is happening right in front of your eyes

I would prefer that the insurance and the whole economy was left in a free market status with competition between companies but there will not be any choices with your socialist based government which if it follows the same track as other countries have it will turn into a Marxist regime and eventually end in a communist dictatorship and I hope you remain happy with your choice for that as well your PRIVILEGE OF VOTING may be lost at some point with all the reports of fraud in the last election that right may have already been lost. I don't think there was enough if any true fraud in the election to change the out come the slight majority got what they wanted but I still want answers to Libya I don't care who Petraeus is sleeping with and that seems to be what the Obama administration wants everyone attention on not Libya
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#112
Nov 16, 2012
 
It's really hard to be a fascist and a communist at the same time, but you seem to think Democrats are pulling that off. You don't have to buy car insurance if you don't drive a car. You can decide not to drive a car. You can't decide not to get sick. I don't want to live in a society where we tell sick Americans without insurance "tough luck", but I don't want to pay for those foolish enough not to buy insurance but can afford it. We're paying for all this medical care today. All the mandate does is stop the moochers.

I'm not on any "freebies" and I don't have an offshore account. The tax increases will hurt, but I don't want to pass this huge burden on to my children. I demand spending cuts to go along with these tax increases. I don't want to just raise taxes and keep racking up debt. We have to turn this thing around and it's going to take tax increases AND spending cuts. We may have to raise the retirement age. But Social Security is not a handout. I have worked my whole life paying into Social Security and Medicare. I am absolutely entitled to it, but I'm willing to see my retirement age raised a few years if that's what it takes to not burden my children with debt.

I do want to know what happened at Benghazi and I am not happy with the BS story we've gotten from the administration so far. However, I also am VERY concerned if the head of the CIA is having an affair. Anyone with a security clearance knows that infidelity and debt are the two major invitations for compromise that the enemy uses to turn people. Having America's top spy compromised in such a way is a big deal. Not as big as Benghazi, but not trivial by any means.
dont care

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#113
Nov 17, 2012
 
@ just saying "It's really hard to be a fascist and a communist at the same time, but you seem to think Democrats are pulling that off."

I believe the party has some of both, it has some good people as well but I do believe that the fascist, communist and socialist factions are the one fighting for control at the present time.

" All the mandate does is stop the moochers."

I doubt that it will change a thing on those people that have always found a way to work around the system or out right beat the system

"I do want to know what happened at Benghazi and I am not happy with the BS story we've gotten from the administration so far."

I would as well but I believe that it will be buried and kept as a secret until Obama is out of office and that is if they can not keep the truth buried until after his death like it was done with other Presidents. anything that would have damaged thier reputation was never told while they were still alive and that has happened for both parties

" I also am VERY concerned if the head of the CIA is having an affair. Anyone with a security clearance knows that infidelity and debt are the two major invitations for compromise that the enemy uses to turn people."

True but if he is telling it then the threat is nullified I am not excusing him for his actions he should be removed from his post if the allegations are true but I believe he is falling on his sword to protect Obama at least in a way. it has taken the focus off of Benghazi and put his affair out front I am more concerned with Obama's actions or lack there of concerning Benghazi than an affair admitted to by a CIA spy that he should have been able to hide a lot better if he had wanted to but if he is providing temporary cover for his boss the CIA can and has created evidence or hid the truth for years on a number of occasions
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#114
Nov 17, 2012
 
dont care wrote:
@ just saying "It's really hard to be a fascist and a communist at the same time, but you seem to think Democrats are pulling that off."
I believe the party has some of both, it has some good people as well but I do believe that the fascist, communist and socialist factions are the one fighting for control at the present time.
I find it remarkable that you would accuse anyone that is a moderate, liberal, libertarian, or progressive, of being a fascist.
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#115
Nov 18, 2012
 
just sayin wrote:
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I find it remarkable that you would accuse anyone that is a moderate, liberal, libertarian, or progressive, of being a fascist.
if you are referring to yourself I did not accuse you of anything Unless you are one of the people jocking for the leadership of the democrat party which I do not think you are
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#116
Nov 18, 2012
 
Burn a Koran, wipe your azz with a picture of Obama, cling to your guns and religion, let armeggedon begin, need some trigger time.
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#117
Nov 18, 2012
 
dont care wrote:
if you are referring to yourself I did not accuse you of anything Unless you are one of the people jocking for the leadership of the democrat party which I do not think you are
No, my point is that fascism is an extreme right position. Most people consider liberals and progressives to be left leaning (the latter more so), and moderates to be between liberals and conservatives. Fascists are right of conservatives. When you said "I do believe that the fascist, communist and socialist factions are the one[s] fighting for control at the present time", that is either an extraordinary claim, or you are just throwing out pejoratives without knowing what you are talking about.

You are more likely to find fascists in the Tea Party. Socialists can be found in the Progressive wing of the Democratic Party. Communists aren't very popular anywhere, so they aren't much of a threat. The biggest threat is from Socialist Progessives pulling the Democratic Party too far left and the Fascist Tea Party pulling the Republican Party too far right.
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#118
Nov 19, 2012
 
just sayin wrote:
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No, my point is that fascism is an extreme right position. Most people consider liberals and progressives to be left leaning (the latter more so), and moderates to be between liberals and conservatives. Fascists are right of conservatives. When you said "I do believe that the fascist, communist and socialist factions are the one[s] fighting for control at the present time", that is either an extraordinary claim, or you are just throwing out pejoratives without knowing what you are talking about.
You are more likely to find fascists in the Tea Party. Socialists can be found in the Progressive wing of the Democratic Party. Communists aren't very popular anywhere, so they aren't much of a threat. The biggest threat is from Socialist Progessives pulling the Democratic Party too far left and the Fascist Tea Party pulling the Republican Party too far right.
the Fascist comment came from you. I was just stating that your democrat party is full of anything other than people that want democracy. I have said all along that your President is a socialist. the Communism marxism comment was meant to show that Obama and his people will use or go along with anything other than democracy to achieve thier goal of destruction of this country he just as well killed the men in Benghazi and you want to protect him. you have pulled the same old lib trick of twisting comments to serve your on agenda rather than face the problems. your answer to every problem is raise taxes put businesses out of business spend spend spend until the money is gone and then what? this is not the fault of Bush it is Obama our economy is in the dump because Clinton did nothing Obama imposed the largest tax in history businesses are shutting down due to Obama care I don't really care what your mother told you the Government does not owe you a paycheck your job does not owe you insurance coverage people that were smart enough or hard working enough or lucky enough to make a lot of money or even get rich are not by definition are not evil and they do not owe you a thing. the evil in this country are the politicians that are rich and became rich from our taxes they vote to give themselves a raise every year at the same time they vote to raise taxes and pass another business killing regulation
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#119
Nov 19, 2012
 
maybe what we need is a little McCarthyism then we would see some change in the democrat party just saying
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#120
Nov 19, 2012
 
dont care wrote:
the Fascist comment came from you. I was just stating that your democrat party is full of anything other than people that want democracy. I have said all along that your President is a socialist. the Communism marxism comment was meant to show that Obama and his people will use or go along with anything other than democracy to achieve thier goal of destruction of this country he just as well killed the men in Benghazi and you want to protect him. you have pulled the same old lib trick of twisting comments to serve your on agenda rather than face the problems. your answer to every problem is raise taxes put businesses out of business spend spend spend until the money is gone and then what? this is not the fault of Bush it is Obama our economy is in the dump because Clinton did nothing Obama imposed the largest tax in history businesses are shutting down due to Obama care I don't really care what your mother told you the Government does not owe you a paycheck your job does not owe you insurance coverage people that were smart enough or hard working enough or lucky enough to make a lot of money or even get rich are not by definition are not evil and they do not owe you a thing. the evil in this country are the politicians that are rich and became rich from our taxes they vote to give themselves a raise every year at the same time they vote to raise taxes and pass another business killing regulation
First of all, I didn't say the government owes me a job. They owe me Social Security and Medicare when I reach retirement age since I have been paying into them all my working life.

I'm not twisting anything. I am pointing out that you are throwing out pejoratives without knowing what they really mean. You are simply parroting the talking point of the radical right wing talking heads.

The real evil in this country is the poison you obviously have in your Kool-Aid. The First Amendment goes both ways.
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Nov 19, 2012
 
dont care wrote:
maybe what we need is a little McCarthyism then we would see some change in the democrat party just saying
You just proved my point! You really are a fascist! McCarthyism is based on Nationalism perfected by the Nazi Party in Germany. The all-consuming paranoid Communist hunt by feeble-minded xenophobes. You would fit right in.

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