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Older and Wiser

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If Catholics claim to follow the teachings of he Bible, why do they chose to follow ignore these BIBLE TEACHINGS???

1. Why does the Bible condemn clerical dress?(Matthew 23:5-6)

2. Why does the Bible teach against the adoration of Mary?(Luke 11:27-28)

3. Why does the Bible show that all Christians are priests?(1Peter 2:5,9)

4. Why does the Bible condemn the observance of special days (Galatians 4:0-11)

5. Why does the bible teach that all Christians are saints?(1Corintians 1:2)

6. Why does the Bible comdemn the making & adoration of images?(Exodus 20:4-5)

7. Why does the Bible teach that Baptism is immersion instead of pouring?(Colossians 2:12)

8. Why does it forbid us to address religious leaders as FATHER?(Matthew 23:9)

9. Why does the Bible teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the Apostle Peter (1Corintians 3:11)

10. Why does the Bible teach that there is one mediator instead of many?(1Timothy 2:5)

11. Why does the Bible teach that a Bishop must be a married man?(1Timothy 3:2, 4&5)

12. Why is the Bible opposed to the primacy of Peter?(Luke 22:24-27)

13. Why does the Bible oppose the idea of purgatory?(Luke 16:26)

14. Why is the Bible completely silent about infant baptism, instrumental music in worship, indulgences, confession to priests, the rosary, the mass - and many other things in the Catholic church?

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Do you really think anyone cares about this very old and tired cut and paste crap? I'll bet you're so proud and think you've really found something!

How about cutting and pasting everything you can find about Daniel Sommer?
Older and Wiser

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MarkEden wrote:
Do you really think anyone cares about this very old and tired cut and paste crap? I'll bet you're so proud and think you've really found something!
How about cutting and pasting everything you can find about Daniel Sommer?
Instead of trying to attack me - why don't you try defending each & every one of the 14 questions this post asks.

Are you aware that the Catholic Church was one of the first of the FALLING AWAY OF CHRIST'S CHURCH THAT WE ARE WARNED ABOUT IN THE
BIBLE???

And, did you know that it was the church of Christ that the people were falling away from???

Yes, some of the people began rejecting the teachings of Christ - and started making up their own rules & regulations & eventually THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CAME INTO EXISTANCE.

Heck, the Catholic is making up their own rules & regulations still to this day!

I can remember when Catholics thought it was a sin to eat meat on Friday.(they didn't like that rule, so they just changed it).

And now, rumor has it that Catholics are wanting to let priests marry.(so, I'm sure we'll see another change in rules & regulations in a few years.

DO YOU REALLY THINK CHRIST INTENDED FOR US TO MAKE UP THE RULES & REGULATIONS FOR HIS CHURCH AT OUR WHIM???

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST CHURCHES THAT THE BIBLE WARNS US ABOUT...

Please, I HONESTLY WANT TO SEE YOU TRY TO DEBUNK ONE WORD OF WHAT IS ON MY POST!!!

I DOUBT SERIOUSLY THAT YOU WILL DEBUNK EVEN ONE OF THES 14 POINTS - BECAUSE YOU CAN'T...

If you want to see posts about Daniel Sommer - you can post them yourself!
Dave P

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Old timer, at least 6 of that list can be cast out. I might do that tomorrow.

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Older and Wiser wrote:
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Instead of trying to attack me - why don't you try defending each & every one of the 14 questions this post asks.
Are you aware that the Catholic Church was one of the first of the FALLING AWAY OF CHRIST'S CHURCH THAT WE ARE WARNED ABOUT IN THE
BIBLE???
And, did you know that it was the church of Christ that the people were falling away from???
Yes, some of the people began rejecting the teachings of Christ - and started making up their own rules & regulations & eventually THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CAME INTO EXISTANCE.
Heck, the Catholic is making up their own rules & regulations still to this day!
I can remember when Catholics thought it was a sin to eat meat on Friday.(they didn't like that rule, so they just changed it).
And now, rumor has it that Catholics are wanting to let priests marry.(so, I'm sure we'll see another change in rules & regulations in a few years.
DO YOU REALLY THINK CHRIST INTENDED FOR US TO MAKE UP THE RULES & REGULATIONS FOR HIS CHURCH AT OUR WHIM???
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST CHURCHES THAT THE BIBLE WARNS US ABOUT...
Please, I HONESTLY WANT TO SEE YOU TRY TO DEBUNK ONE WORD OF WHAT IS ON MY POST!!!
I DOUBT SERIOUSLY THAT YOU WILL DEBUNK EVEN ONE OF THES 14 POINTS - BECAUSE YOU CAN'T...
If you want to see posts about Daniel Sommer - you can post them yourself!
You are late coming to the party. Every single one of these "questions" have been dealt with numerous times but I've yet to see anyone from the Church of Christ denomination even acknowledge Daniel Sommer's influence on its existence. You also must be unaware that I grew up in the Church of Christ denomination and became a Catholic in my late 20's. There is nothing that you or anyone in the Church of Christ denomination can throw at me that will stick and I prevail in every discussion because history and the witness of centuries is on my side.
Annoying Proxy

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Better late than never.

http://xcjournal.org/the-papacy/


I love history.

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Annoying Proxy wrote:
Better late than never.
http://xcjournal.org/the-papacy/
I love history.
I do too. You should try learning some.
Dave P

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10. Why does the Bible teach that there is one mediator instead of many?(1Timothy 2:5)

This is a lay-up. Old timer, how about going up a few verses to 1 Timothy 2:1? If we make intercessions for all men, aren't we mediators?

Maybe you should clarify.
Dave P

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1. Why does the Bible condemn clerical dress?(Matthew 23:5-6)

It doesn't. Context- Jesus is pronouncing woe to the scribes and Pharisees. It's their heart, not necessarily the clothes, that He is condemning.
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3. Why does the Bible show that all Christians are priests?(1Peter 2:5,9)

5. Why does the bible teach that all Christians are saints?(1Corintians 1:2)

Read catholic writings and you may be surprised to learn that catholics do believe that all are priests and saints. They believe in the "priestly service of believers".

I used these charges too until I learned better.
Dave P

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4. Why does the Bible condemn the observance of special days (Galatians 4:0-11)

This one is a joke. The Galatians text says no such thing; Romans 14:5-6 destroys that idea totally. Nonsense.
Dave P

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6. Why does the Bible comdemn the making & adoration of images?(Exodus 20:4-5)

Careful. I agree about the adoration and worship of images. But the making? Not necessarily. Remember the brass serpent, the carvings on the ark, the cherubs on the curtains of the tabernacle, the items of the temple, etc? All of the tabernacle furniture was "images" from the heavenly one.

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You are leaning more to Catholics Dave? Are you understanding them in another light now? Just curious
Dave P

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14. Why is the Bible completely silent about infant baptism, instrumental music in worship, indulgences, confession to priests, the rosary, the mass - and many other things in the Catholic church?

The statement that the Bible is completely silent about instrumental music in "worship" is ridiculous enough to throw this entire section out.

*I'm not catholic and can see through this nonsense. If something is right with God, I want to be in agreement with that-regardless of what group agrees or disagrees.

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Annoying Proxy wrote:
Better late than never.
http://xcjournal.org/the-papacy/
I love history.
More manure for the compost pile.

Wait until Older & Wiser finds out you and your crew are paedocommunionists.

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Dave P wrote:
4. Why does the Bible condemn the observance of special days (Galatians 4:0-11)
This one is a joke. The Galatians text says no such thing; Romans 14:5-6 destroys that idea totally. Nonsense.
You are going to make a wonderful Catholic! Welcome home!
Dave P

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You are leaning more to Catholics Dave? Are you understanding them in another light now? Just curious
I do understand them in new ways now Randy. Nobody ever bothers to LISTEN to anyone. We assume we know what they believe because someone told us what they believe.

One of my mentors was a former catholic and fed me some of the same nonsense I've read on here.

*Honestly Randy, the catholic ideas about Sola Scriptura make a lot of sense. It has led to confusion, not clarity. A lot of the "proof texts" given to defend SS I have noticed are taken out of context and don't mean what they are claimed to say. And I think you and I would both agree that not everyone can pick up their Bible, read it, and understand it without some kind of help.

I'm not ready to swim the Tiber. But my challenge to others would be to stop yelling and throwing out the same talking points, listen and think.

Another plus they have- they admit the wrongdoings in the past of the catholic church, or the men of the church. The hardline coc can't even admit their own history, and no one else seems willing to admit that pedophilia occurs within every group.

Perhaps getting involved in discussions with them is a good thing, and not a "waste" since "the Bible means nothing to them". That was my attitude before.

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Dave P wrote:
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I do understand them in new ways now Randy. Nobody ever bothers to LISTEN to anyone. We assume we know what they believe because someone told us what they believe.
One of my mentors was a former catholic and fed me some of the same nonsense I've read on here.
*Honestly Randy, the catholic ideas about Sola Scriptura make a lot of sense. It has led to confusion, not clarity. A lot of the "proof texts" given to defend SS I have noticed are taken out of context and don't mean what they are claimed to say. And I think you and I would both agree that not everyone can pick up their Bible, read it, and understand it without some kind of help.
I'm not ready to swim the Tiber. But my challenge to others would be to stop yelling and throwing out the same talking points, listen and think.
Another plus they have- they admit the wrongdoings in the past of the catholic church, or the men of the church. The hardline coc can't even admit their own history, and no one else seems willing to admit that pedophilia occurs within every group.
Perhaps getting involved in discussions with them is a good thing, and not a "waste" since "the Bible means nothing to them". That was my attitude before.
Part of my reason for pulling off of here was I seen what Mike and Mark were saying. I had to go dig a bit more on this. This has been a battle in my mind for quite some time. We all pick up the Bible, read it, and draw certain conclusions we then attempt to make others believe – enter denominationalism. I am not in a position to believer all about the Catholic Church but I do understand the points Mike and Mark have made in regards to Sola Scriptura. It boils down to pride. I read the Bible, then I say it means this. If you disagree, you aren’t a Christian. This is how we have used the Bible thus the countless denominations.
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2 Timothy 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth
We are told to rightly divide the word of truth, which means we can divide it wrongly. The Catholics with their history of scandals certainly are capable of dividing the scriptures in a wrong manner. Follow them straight to hell if you want, fortunately we have the word from God which gives us a chance to divide it correctly. Without scripture in our hands and only the homosexual/pedophile church to follow we are headed to hell for sure.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/sola-scriptura.ht...
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
Teaching contrary to scripture which the Catholic church does would be unprofitable and unrighteous.
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God???? Show me one verse in the bible that says the bible was created by the Roman Catholic church or even mentions a Roman Catholic church. Scripture originated from God and the Catholics like Mike and Mark claiming otherwise are nothing but false teachers.
2 Peter 1:21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
I think this verse eliminates the Catholic claim they created the bible. They are men not God no matter whatthey claim. You are more than welcome to follow these perverts if you wish, your church.
Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
Jesus never mentioned a Pope, a vicar of Christ , a Roman Catholic church, nor Mary worship.
If you ignore the Catholic rhetoric and study the schism you will see the Roman Catholics were the ones that demanded their bishop be supreme and caused the split. It was not that way from the beginning. They tried to kill everyone who wanted the scriptures to be placed in the hands of the common man. They failed to stop it, although they did succeed for centuries. Is that what Jesus came for?
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Nov 19, 2013
 
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I do too. You should try learning some.
I have shown you plenty of Catholic history, you just don't like it. I don't like it either.

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