R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Morehead, KY

#267 Jul 9, 2013
True or False

The real division between what we now know of as the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church became clear after the Latin crusaders (Venetians, mostly) sacked Constantinople in 1204, but it had been growing for a long time.
At the time of the Great Schism, there were 5 Patriarchates in the Church, Antioch, Constantinople, Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Rome. The Patriarch of Rome was struck by egotism and considered and proclaimed himself infallible. The term "pope" means universal ruler. He thought he should rule the entire church by himself, and so the Roman Patriarchate split from the other 4 Patriarchates. So the new "Catholic" Church was created. Thus we see that if we look at the teachings of the Church before the Schism and after the Schism, the current Eastern Orthodox Church is the oldest Church.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#268 Jul 9, 2013
So the 2000 year CC cannot understand scripture and you can.
The Church that wrote and produced the Bible does not understand it?

The CC has had 2000 years and remains clueless in spiritual darkness. They are willfully rebellious against the scripture. I do not agree at all that the CC wrote and produced the Bible- complete lie- and 2000 years of remaining in that darkness is inexcusable.

The billions of people in the dark are doing exactly what the organization and Satan want them to do.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#269 Jul 9, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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The Old who Schismed who argument. I tell you what. The Orthodox are still Catholic. I always say CC. Rome is the original Church . Orthodox are our cousins. They kind of split up too without authority though.
Antioch and Jerusalem are older than Rome. Churches in those cities first.
Dave P

Lexington, KY

#270 Jul 9, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Let me get this right. When did Christianity start? Any sane semi-literate person will admit only the CC existed for 1520 years.
Then the reformation came and all of the low church Prots say all of the reformers were wrong therefore not Christians.
So I guess Christianity started when Dave P first read the Catholic book.
Its hard for me to believe that somebody will actually admit to such ignorance of anything that went on before him.
Christianity started at Jerusalem on Pentecost. By the end of the first century, false teachers were emerging. By around the 300's, the apostacy was in full swing. Then your group came along. There have been faithful Christians throughout all history, but not all groups were faithful.

Catholicism isn't Biblical Christianity.

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#271 Jul 9, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
True or False
The real division between what we now know of as the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church became clear after the Latin crusaders (Venetians, mostly) sacked Constantinople in 1204, but it had been growing for a long time.
At the time of the Great Schism, there were 5 Patriarchates in the Church, Antioch, Constantinople, Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Rome. The Patriarch of Rome was struck by egotism and considered and proclaimed himself infallible. The term "pope" means universal ruler. He thought he should rule the entire church by himself, and so the Roman Patriarchate split from the other 4 Patriarchates. So the new "Catholic" Church was created. Thus we see that if we look at the teachings of the Church before the Schism and after the Schism, the current Eastern Orthodox Church is the oldest Church.
Sproul History of the Early Church 101! FALSE and you should be ashamed of spreading this cr*p.

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#272 Jul 9, 2013
Dave P wrote:
<quoted text>
Christianity started at Jerusalem on Pentecost. By the end of the first century, false teachers were emerging. By around the 300's, the apostacy was in full swing. Then your group came along. There have been faithful Christians throughout all history, but not all groups were faithful.
Catholicism isn't Biblical Christianity.
and no doubt you consider yourself one of those faithful Christians.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#273 Jul 9, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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Sproul History of the Early Church 101! FALSE and you should be ashamed of spreading this cr*p.
Surely you can give us a detailed explanation of exactly what are the false statements above.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#274 Jul 9, 2013
The Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch is the most ancient Christian church in the world. According to Saint Luke:
The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.(New Testament, Acts 11:26) Hmmmm, no mention of Rome. Paul rebuked Peter here. Apparently no one told Paul that Peter was the Pope.

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#275 Jul 9, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
True or False
The real division between what we now know of as the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church became clear after the Latin crusaders (Venetians, mostly) sacked Constantinople in 1204, but it had been growing for a long time.
At the time of the Great Schism, there were 5 Patriarchates in the Church, Antioch, Constantinople, Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Rome. The Patriarch of Rome was struck by egotism and considered and proclaimed himself infallible. The term "pope" means universal ruler. He thought he should rule the entire church by himself, and so the Roman Patriarchate split from the other 4 Patriarchates. So the new "Catholic" Church was created. Thus we see that if we look at the teachings of the Church before the Schism and after the Schism, the current Eastern Orthodox Church is the oldest Church.
Ever hear of the Massacre of the Latins? Of course you haven't. This Schism was ethnic and political with a smattering of religion as an excuse. The 5 Patriarchates were extant from the beginning and all traced their founding to a particular Apostle within a few years of each other. All still exist. For centuries before the Schism they would have all believed and taught the same Sacred Tradition and Creed. Saying that the term pope means "universal ruler" is pure ignorant Catholic bashing. The Dogma of Papal Infallibility was declared by the First Vatican Council in 1870. As with other Ecumenical Councils through the centuries, such as those which resulted in the Canon and the Nicene Creed, the decisions of this Council are considered to be infallible.
Mike Peterson

Atlanta, GA

#276 Jul 9, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
True or False
The real division between what we now know of as the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church became clear after the Latin crusaders (Venetians, mostly) sacked Constantinople in 1204, but it had been growing for a long time.
At the time of the Great Schism, there were 5 Patriarchates in the Church, Antioch, Constantinople, Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Rome. The Patriarch of Rome was struck by egotism and considered and proclaimed himself infallible. The term "pope" means universal ruler. He thought he should rule the entire church by himself, and so the Roman Patriarchate split from the other 4 Patriarchates. So the new "Catholic" Church was created. Thus we see that if we look at the teachings of the Church before the Schism and after the Schism, the current Eastern Orthodox Church is the oldest Church.
Pope is an Latin word for papa.

The rest is Who Schismed Who.

Jesus gave Peter the keys. Peter was the first Bishop of Antioch and later went back to Rome and was Bishop of Rome when he was martyred.

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#277 Jul 9, 2013
Too bad the CofC and the prots weren't around back then to fix all this.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#278 Jul 9, 2013
The low opinion Mark and Mike have of Catholic widows may be based on a background that by the sounds of this testimony would seem they have a hate for women. She is an ex nun. Is it true?

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7kQ0z...
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#279 Jul 9, 2013
Try this link. It is better.

R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#280 Jul 9, 2013
Is this ex priest and ex nun lying also?

R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#281 Jul 9, 2013
This guy is probably lying also.

R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Manassas, VA

#282 Jul 9, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Pope is an Latin word for papa.
The rest is Who Schismed Who.
Jesus gave Peter the keys. Peter was the first Bishop of Antioch and later went back to Rome and was Bishop of Rome when he was martyred.
I have a big trust problem with the Catholic church and their account of church history. There is just to many bones in their closet for them to be a credible, reliable, source of history or bible doctrine.
Mike Peterson

United States

#283 Jul 10, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
<quoted text>I have a big trust problem with the Catholic church and their account of church history. There is just to many bones in their closet for them to be a credible, reliable, source of history or bible doctrine.
That's because you don't read the history. Everything is out there. To read early Christian history you can no longer honestly stay protestant

You can read abut the Saints and the sinners.

The Church has kept great records. There have been sinners from within the Church but Jesus has protected the Church from all evil for 2000 years.
Mike Peterson

United States

#284 Jul 10, 2013
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL wrote:
The Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch is the most ancient Christian church in the world. According to Saint Luke:
The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.(New Testament, Acts 11:26) Hmmmm, no mention of Rome. Paul rebuked Peter here. Apparently no one told Paul that Peter was the Pope.
If you knew your Bible Paul was not referring to anything Theological but political. Where to sit at meal. The Pope can be questioned today on political matters. You gave a great example of how the Papacy works.

Antioch is most ancient church in the world? Forget about Pentecost when the Church started. Jerusalem ring a bell?

Antioch was an important early church. Peter was the first Bishop.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Los Angeles, CA

#285 Jul 10, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
If you knew your Bible Paul was not referring to anything Theological but political. Where to sit at meal. The Pope can be questioned today on political matters. You gave a great example of how the Papacy works.
Antioch is most ancient church in the world? Forget about Pentecost when the Church started. Jerusalem ring a bell?
Antioch was an important early church. Peter was the first Bishop.
It was nothing political. What it shows is Peter was no Pope. Are we going to put the blinders on today about the Catholic practices I linked above? Here (Gal.2)is an example of what the real church does when sin is practiced by it's leaders. It is openly rebuked by the . Did that happen with the nun torture chambers linked above? Is the Pope infallible? Peter was certainly not infallible or he would not have been openly rebuked.
R-oman C-atholic SPROUL

Los Angeles, CA

#286 Jul 10, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
That's because you don't read the history. Everything is out there. To read early Christian history you can no longer honestly stay protestant
You can read abut the Saints and the sinners.
The Church has kept great records. There have been sinners from within the Church but Jesus has protected the Church from all evil for 2000 years.
How can a church be filled with corruption throughout history and then keep honest records about their history? They try their best to cover up everything.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/monsign...

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