Marriage in heaven

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Jul 19, 2013
 
Luk 20:33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.
Luk 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
Luk 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
Luk 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Luk 20:37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
Luk 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
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Jul 19, 2013
 
In the three accounts in Matthew ,Mark, and Luke the question of whose wife she would be, there is the verses about not being the God of dead but the living. So they surely should be considered also in the point Jesus was making.
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I believe we need to look at the beginning of the bible for a couple of points to consider. Only thoughts here on my part, but it does not imply there (IS) or (IS NOT) sexual relations in heaven. That point occurred to me because of angels producing with humans and the fact Adam and Eve clothed themselves after the fall. Any thoughts?
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Starting with the top/down, or take the high road theory -

We are created to either be a male or a female. When on denies their sex as created, isn't this rejecting our first estate, or who God created us to be? So those who would reject what God made them to be and try to be something that is not according to the order and economy of this side - how can God know they will not pervert who He creates them to be on the other? Sort of a 'test' to see if one accepts and abides in what we are made to be by what we do and approve of.

I think the meaning resides in this area of thought.

(at least for now)
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[QUOTE who="Barnsweb" Sort of a 'test' to see if one accepts and abides in what we are made to be by what we do and approve of.
I think the meaning resides in this area of thought.
(at least for now)[/QUOTE]It does seem we are to remain in the state we were called in. 1Co 7:24 and Ephesians 6 seem to support that idea in principle.
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One thought that came to my mind was from the Catholic perspective the only marriage that is valid is one by a Catholic priest. If there are no marriages in heaven is it possible from a Catholic viewpoint that there are no Catholic priests in heaven to perform marriages?
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It does seem that in the Garden man and woman were intended to reproduce in Gen. 1:28. There is no indication of reproducing in heaven so that may be one possibility for there being no marriage in heaven because there may be no sexual relations even though angels according to the bible are capable of that. An assumption is made that no one will reproduce in heaven with this view. The transformation to a glorified body is not understood by man and the reason this subject gets really deep. As in Gen.3:7 when mans eyes were opened and they realized they were naked they covered themselves, mans eyes are not opened to the transformation to a glorified body or really very much at all to do with the afterlife.
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Many don't believe that angels came down and had sexual relations with women, but it was genetic manipulations. If angels are ministering spirits, then it may be a questionable conclusion. There are some very learned teachers who take the viewpoint you gave, and I'm not saying I know more than them, but I cannot agree with other conclusions they have reached about what the 'gospel of the kingdom' is - as they just give it lip service and focus on things against the gospel as preached by the Lord and His chosen witnesses.

One passing thought I had was that God would never require an eternal marriage, as 50 years seems a long time as it is:-)

I'll just have to trust that He is good and knows our every need for fullness of life, joy and happiness. Whatever is in store for those who are His and faithful overcomers must surely be what is best for us.

....last night I posed the question to a couple from our Church on the way to a 'Friday night singing'- she thought I was nuts:-)
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It is a good point about whether the angels had sexual relations or not. In looking over those verses as in the case of the Holy Ghost overshadowing Mary it may be possible that with spirit beings reproduction is not as it is with humans. Many things are unknown to man. My other posts may or may not be correct although some translations imply that more than others. After looking at the words used I think to keep open the possibility of other options and sexual relations as we know them not an absolute, even though it is certainly a possibility. We know to little. I posted two versions to show the wording can have other possibilities in one and not the other.

Gods Word
Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, as well as later, when the sons of God slept with the daughters of other humans and had children by them. These children were famous long ago.

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Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
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Also in studying these verses noted a previous point. Leaving ones state was also in Jude.

Jud 1:6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great dayŚ
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Barnsweb, you were right. They won't touch this with a ten foot pole, lol.
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Another source that tells the most on the matter is the book of Enoch. It was preserved in Aramaic in Africa and has been translated into English now. Got a copy on Amazon.com . The first 'book' seems most likely to be genuine, but the latter books don't - in my opinion anyway. You'd have to read it for yourself to see what you think.

It goes into detail of what happened and how the Watchers sought Enoch to be a mediator with God on their behalf - to no avail. Jesus and the apostles quoted from the book - by appearances anyway... It's been a while since read, but I could put it on my reading list to go back and see what it says on the topic at hand. From memory, it seems they had left their first estate (spirit bodies?) and come in some flesh manifestation and took the women for wives, and the perversion of both were condemned by God.

Have you ever read or listened to any of the talks or studies by Chuck Missler on the subject?
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Anonymous Proxy wrote:
Barnsweb, you were right. They won't touch this with a ten foot pole, lol.
Yeah:-) Only a crazy guy would test the water on something like this - most people can't face truth because it may shatter their illusions:-)

So we do the best we can with what He gave us, stay true to what we know we can trust is true, and if sound conclusions arise - those should not be cast aside because of fear. There are likely several possibilities, but the matter is to hold fast to what is sure and true. If nothing else it's a good exercise in study and thinking.
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Barnsweb wrote:
Another source that tells the most on the matter is the book of Enoch. It was preserved in Aramaic in Africa and has been translated into English now. Got a copy on Amazon.com . The first 'book' seems most likely to be genuine, but the latter books don't - in my opinion anyway. You'd have to read it for yourself to see what you think.
It goes into detail of what happened and how the Watchers sought Enoch to be a mediator with God on their behalf - to no avail. Jesus and the apostles quoted from the book - by appearances anyway... It's been a while since read, but I could put it on my reading list to go back and see what it says on the topic at hand. From memory, it seems they had left their first estate (spirit bodies?) and come in some flesh manifestation and took the women for wives, and the perversion of both were condemned by God.
Have you ever read or listened to any of the talks or studies by Chuck Missler on the subject?
I have never heard of Chuck Missler before as I don't listen to preachers a lot. I started listening to him last night and was interrupted but am going to continue today. It is a different viewpoint. Our churches give us a very small and narrow viewpoint of God.
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Barnsweb, you were right. They won't touch this with a ten foot pole, lol.
Are there gonna be ten foot poles in heaven?
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Jul 21, 2013
 
Barnsweb wrote:
Another source that tells the most on the matter is the book of Enoch. It was preserved in Aramaic in Africa and has been translated into English now. Got a copy on Amazon.com . The first 'book' seems most likely to be genuine, but the latter books don't - in my opinion anyway. You'd have to read it for yourself to see what you think.
It goes into detail of what happened and how the Watchers sought Enoch to be a mediator with God on their behalf - to no avail. Jesus and the apostles quoted from the book - by appearances anyway... It's been a while since read, but I could put it on my reading list to go back and see what it says on the topic at hand. From memory, it seems they had left their first estate (spirit bodies?) and come in some flesh manifestation and took the women for wives, and the perversion of both were condemned by God.
Have you ever read or listened to any of the talks or studies by Chuck Missler on the subject?
The question is who are the Watchers seeking Enoch to talk to God. The term Watcher appear in the bible many times.
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Jul 22, 2013
 
Jason Skaggs wrote:
<quoted text>Are there gonna be ten foot poles in heaven?
Absolutely not! There won't be any more questions to be afraid of there:-)
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Jul 22, 2013
 
I'll have to read it again, but off-hand it seems they were on the fallen angel's side, but didn't abandon their 'spirit bodies' as the fallen ones did.
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Jul 22, 2013
 
Are these angles being described angels fallen from heaven or some of the the fallen angels that married daughters of Adam? I am assuming not all fallen angels married with daughters of man.


.Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

These spirits Christ preached to, are they the Sons of God in Genisis?
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men which were of old, the men of renown.

These spirits Christ preached to, are they the Sons of God in Genesis?

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
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Jul 22, 2013
 
I have lots of questions and not many answers when it comes to angels, their marriage, and their ability to have sex. The term Sons of God in Genesis, I assume to be male since they went into daughters of men. When Jesus answered the question of whose wife this woman would be he never said angles were not male and female.

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

My thought, can angles be of the female sex leaving their abode with the Sons of Adam also? Jezabel the wife of the King Ahab of Israel comes to mind but this name comes up again in Revelation.
Rev 2:20 But I have this against thee, that thou sufferest the woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess; and she teacheth and seduceth my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed to idols.


Just a thought.


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