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#83 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>Amen. The CC agrees with that verse. It wrote it and put in the Bible.

"He is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he himself might be preeminent."

This proves he started a Church and did not leave a book. But he knew he was going to heaven, and he left somebody as head of his Church, Peter.

From his own mouth. "You are Peter and I will build my Church on you."

God did the same in the OT. Always had a man on Earth to lead. Abraham, Moses, Isaac, David, etc.

It is called Authority. Without Authority you get chaos, Protestantism.
Then the CC wrote a book that contradicts its own doctrine.

Brilliant!

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Royse City

#84 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>Amen. The CC agrees with that verse. It wrote it and put in the Bible.

"He is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things he himself might be preeminent."

This proves he started a Church and did not leave a book. But he knew he was going to heaven, and he left somebody as head of his Church, Peter.

From his own mouth. "You are Peter and I will build my Church on you."

God did the same in the OT. Always had a man on Earth to lead. Abraham, Moses, Isaac, David, etc.

It is called Authority. Without Authority you get chaos, Protestantism.
"You are Peter and I will build my Church on you."

Amen!

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#85 Jul 24, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>
If Church organization is not found and followed in the bible it is of Man. In your case by the pope.
And in your case it is Papa Campbell and Papa Stone who of course copied it from the Baptists.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#86 Jul 24, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
"You are Peter and I will build my Church on you."
Amen!
Did you know that Peter was the first man in recorded history to be named Rock? Jesus changed it twice, the first words he ever said to him, Cephas, and when he told him he was leaving him in charge.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#87 Jul 24, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
Then the CC wrote a book that contradicts its own doctrine.
Brilliant!
Impossible. Jesus said he would be protect the Church from all evil until the end of ages.

That would be evil to contradict the Bible, like personal interpretation of it.

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#88 Jul 24, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
<quoted text>
"You are Peter and I will build my Church on you."
Amen!
Im not sure that is what the text said. Lets see.

Matthew 16:18

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

18 I also say to you that you are [a]Peter, and upon this [b]rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

Matthew 16:18

King James Version (KJV)

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

All of these show what the text really says dont you agree.

It was not upon Peter that the future church would be built but upon the faith he showed in his earlier statement. As a matter of Fact, The gospel of Mark makes no illusion to the church being built upon Peter which that gospel was from Peters perspective.

So It is not even close to reason that the Church would be built upon a human being when infact the Church was built upon the foundation of Christ the perfect savior.

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#89 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you know that Peter was the first man in recorded history to be named Rock? Jesus changed it twice, the first words he ever said to him, Cephas, and when he told him he was leaving him in charge.
Did you know that the greek for those two words are different. If Christ would have meant for Peter to be what the Church was established on he would have said "you are Peter and upon you I will build my church" But he did not say that at all and to force that is wrong

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#90 Jul 24, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>
And in your case it is Papa Campbell and Papa Stone who of course copied it from the Baptists.
yep thats why we follow the bible and not man and the pope and stone and campbell are men. Why would you pick the pope (a man) over those other men since your into picking men?
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#91 Jul 24, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Did you know that the greek for those two words are different. If Christ would have meant for Peter to be what the Church was established on he would have said "you are Peter and upon you I will build my church" But he did not say that at all and to force that is wrong
Cephas is Aramaic.

I love how you keep talking for Paul and Christ,'IF Christ would have' and 'If Paul would have.'

If he would not have meant Peter, he would have left Peter out of the conversation altogether.

BTW You appear to know no history beyond 1500.

Do you know the geography of the Bible?

Jesus liked show and tell, and parables.

Do some study about the geography of Caesarea Philippi at that time and why Jesus brought the Apostles there to let the world know that Peter was the head of his Church.

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#92 Jul 24, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>yep thats why we follow the bible and not man and the pope and stone and campbell are men. Why would you pick the pope (a man) over those other men since your into picking men?
You maybe following something but it's most certainly not the Bible. Looks to me it's really the castoffs from the Baptist church. Dude your worship spaces look just like Baptist churches inside. You sing Baptist hymns. You use Welchs just like Baptists do in little cups in trays with holes in them. I've no doubt you are quite sincere in what you believe but what you believe is not real, it's a 19th fraud and I know it for a fact since I've seen the CofC from the inside. I escaped and so can you.

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#93 Jul 24, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>
You maybe following something but it's most certainly not the Bible. Looks to me it's really the castoffs from the Baptist church. Dude your worship spaces look just like Baptist churches inside. You sing Baptist hymns. You use Welchs just like Baptists do in little cups in trays with holes in them. I've no doubt you are quite sincere in what you believe but what you believe is not real, it's a 19th fraud and I know it for a fact since I've seen the CofC from the inside. I escaped and so can you.
...a 19th century fraud...I've been looking into what Baptists used for communion prior to the invention of Welchs. Looks like Primitive Baptists still use real wine...you know the kind with alcohol content.

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Royse City

#94 Jul 24, 2013
Ephesians 2:20 (NKJV) having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,

Foundation of the Peter only?

Nope.

Foundation of apostles and prophets.

Peter was no more important than Paul.

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Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#95 Jul 25, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
Ephesians 2:20 (NKJV) having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,
Foundation of the Peter only?
Nope.
Foundation of apostles and prophets.
Peter was no more important than Paul.
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Catholics believe in every verse in the Bible.

Jesus is the cornerstone and the Church was built on the apostles and the prophets,(Notice the absence of a Book)

But I remember a verse from Jesus' own mouth that says

"And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it."

He changes Simon's name to Peter, which means rock standing in front of the massive rock at Caesarea Philippi to make his point very clearly, and said upon you I will build my Church.

Peter was head of Jesus' Church after he ascended. I would say he is little more important than Paul. The bible proves this.

Show me any Christian writings that say otherwise in the first 3 centuries.

You Protesters think the Bible is this not that. It is that/ and.

Catholics

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#96 Jul 25, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Cephas is Aramaic.
I love how you keep talking for Paul and Christ,'IF Christ would have' and 'If Paul would have.'
If he would not have meant Peter, he would have left Peter out of the conversation altogether.
BTW You appear to know no history beyond 1500.
Do you know the geography of the Bible?
Jesus liked show and tell, and parables.
Do some study about the geography of Caesarea Philippi at that time and why Jesus brought the Apostles there to let the world know that Peter was the head of his Church.
The fact is, Matthew’s Gospel record was written in Greek; and the Greek clearly reflects a distinction between the masculine petros, and the feminine petra So the argument stands.

This point is alleged to be negated, however, by the supposition that Matthew originally penned his Gospel account in Aramaic, and so the Greek edition is merely a later translation. This view is based mostly upon a quotation from Papias (c. A.D. 135), as preserved by Eusebius (3.39). But Papias’ statement is quite ambiguous, and as Carson notes, few scholars today accept this view. He contends that “much evidence suggests that [Matthew] was first composed in Greek”(pp. 11-12). Hiebert has observed that there are certain “linguistic features” of Matthew’s record which “indicate that it was originally written in Greek”(p. 53; emp. WJ).

You do read in context dont you? So if you do go back to the conversation that was going on and see why that peter answered the question.

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#97 Jul 25, 2013
Hows that for history prior to 1500.

Wonder Matthew was written.... according to you not until the RCC wrote it. History says different.

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#98 Jul 25, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Catholics believe in every verse in the Bible.
Jesus is the cornerstone and the Church was built on the apostles and the prophets,(Notice the absence of a Book)
But I remember a verse from Jesus' own mouth that says
"And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it."
He changes Simon's name to Peter, which means rock standing in front of the massive rock at Caesarea Philippi to make his point very clearly, and said upon you I will build my Church.
Peter was head of Jesus' Church after he ascended. I would say he is little more important than Paul. The bible proves this.
Show me any Christian writings that say otherwise in the first 3 centuries.
You Protesters think the Bible is this not that. It is that/ and.
Catholics
IF RCC believes only in the verbal and not the written instructions of the Apostles that verbal ended upon the death of the Apostles, and dont talk about Apostolic succession which did not happen. So there is no way the RCC believes the verses in a bible.

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#99 Jul 25, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>
Catholics believe in every verse in the Bible.
Jesus is the cornerstone and the Church was built on the apostles and the prophets,(Notice the absence of a Book)
But I remember a verse from Jesus' own mouth that says
"And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it."
He changes Simon's name to Peter, which means rock standing in front of the massive rock at Caesarea Philippi to make his point very clearly, and said upon you I will build my Church.
Peter was head of Jesus' Church after he ascended. I would say he is little more important than Paul. The bible proves this.
Show me any Christian writings that say otherwise in the first 3 centuries.
You Protesters think the Bible is this not that. It is that/ and.
Catholics
Petros and petra reflect different genders — the former is masculine, the latter is feminine; thus a distinction is drawn.
Petros generally is a smaller stone, a fragment; petra is a more massive, bedrock-like substructure.
Christ distinguished between petros and petra by the use of pronouns of different person. Petros has a second person pronoun as a companion, while petra is used with a third person pronoun.
In the symbolism employed by Jesus, Peter is designated as the one who opens the doors to the kingdom (which he did for Jew and Gentile — Acts 2; 10). It is not customary for an object to occupy two roles, e.g., the foundation and door-opener, at the same time in the same metaphorical illustration.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#100 Jul 25, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>
Petros and petra reflect different genders — the former is masculine, the latter is feminine; thus a distinction is drawn.
Petros generally is a smaller stone, a fragment; petra is a more massive, bedrock-like substructure.
Christ distinguished between petros and petra by the use of pronouns of different person. Petros has a second person pronoun as a companion, while petra is used with a third person pronoun.
In the symbolism employed by Jesus, Peter is designated as the one who opens the doors to the kingdom (which he did for Jew and Gentile — Acts 2; 10). It is not customary for an object to occupy two roles, e.g., the foundation and door-opener, at the same time in the same metaphorical illustration.
Whew !!!!! That was a lot of wind.

Jesus changed Simon's name to Rock and in the same sentence said I will be build my church on you.

What is your infallible reason why Jesus changed his name to Rock in front of the massive rock at Caesarea Philippi

Do you know the geography of Caesarea Philippi and its history.

It was show and tell time for Jesus to make his point that Peter was a big as the rock at Caesarea Philippi. A city was built on this rock.

Similar to when Jesus paid only for him and Peter to be able to preach in the Temple. He could have told Judas to give him the money but Peter had to catch a fish for it to prove the point that Peter was his right hand man. He made it big deal to emphasize his point.

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#101 Jul 25, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>
Im not sure that is what the text said. Lets see.
Matthew 16:18
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
18 I also say to you that you are [a]Peter, and upon this [b]rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
Matthew 16:18
King James Version (KJV)
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
All of these show what the text really says dont you agree.
It was not upon Peter that the future church would be built but upon the faith he showed in his earlier statement. As a matter of Fact, The gospel of Mark makes no illusion to the church being built upon Peter which that gospel was from Peters perspective.
So It is not even close to reason that the Church would be built upon a human being when infact the Church was built upon the foundation of Christ the perfect savior.
Sooner or later you will stop this proof texting nonsense. The Gospel of Mark doesn't tell us a lot of things like a birth narrative so I guess by reading Mark we can only surmise Jesus just appeared one day out of the blue.

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#102 Jul 25, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>
Petros and petra reflect different genders — the former is masculine, the latter is feminine; thus a distinction is drawn.
Petros generally is a smaller stone, a fragment; petra is a more massive, bedrock-like substructure.
Christ distinguished between petros and petra by the use of pronouns of different person. Petros has a second person pronoun as a companion, while petra is used with a third person pronoun.
In the symbolism employed by Jesus, Peter is designated as the one who opens the doors to the kingdom (which he did for Jew and Gentile — Acts 2; 10). It is not customary for an object to occupy two roles, e.g., the foundation and door-opener, at the same time in the same metaphorical illustration.
Don't tell me you are a Greek scholar too! There are some mighty big English words in there as well...cut and paste whiz kid!

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