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Dave P

Morehead, KY

#781 Dec 17, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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You have yet to make show me that Paul spoke Scriptural truth, let alone that Paul didn't teach a gospel in total accord with what Yeshua and the twelve taught...
Yet there is evidence that Paul is the 'wolf of the tribe of Benjamin in Genesis 49 and the Balaam of the NT in Revelation 2 and the enemy of God for sowing bad seed that became most evident just before the harvest of the earth.
You have much nerve saying no one has shown you Paul spoke scriptural truth, then turning around and claiming there is evidence Paul fulfills Genesis 49 and Revelation 2- when the only evidence for that exists in your imagination. Like the trial of Paul that James supposedly wrote about.

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#782 Dec 17, 2013
Cults force children to do something without their consent. aka - infant baptism.

Cult leaders like their followers to bow before them and kiss their ring.

That sounds strangely familiar.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#783 Dec 17, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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You have much nerve saying no one has shown you Paul spoke scriptural truth, then turning around and claiming there is evidence Paul fulfills Genesis 49 and Revelation 2- when the only evidence for that exists in your imagination. Like the trial of Paul that James supposedly wrote about.
I have trust in the very words of God, not nerve to dare speak such about Paul. I trust what God said is absolutely true from Genesis through the Revelation of Master Yeshua.

In the OT, God said if someone didn't meet the tests He gave to know who spoke the truth, that the one not speaking the truth we are not to fear. How prophetic is that? Paul warns of curses to those who don't teach according to his gospel, which he received from no man. Yeshua appointed His hand picked eye-witnesses to testify of the gospel as He taught them first.

Note how much John has to say about keeping and abiding in the teachings of Master Yeshua and how important it is - from his gospel account throughout his letters and even such consistency to the Revelation of Master Yeshua - faith and works - works that are in keeping with the commandments of God and the Testimony and faith of Yeshua the Messiah.

Aside from 'let the word of Christ dwell in you richly', can you point me to one book or letter that Paul wrote which centers on the need to abide in whatever Yeshua taught the original disciples? This is the core of the gospel message and what we are to repent to do if we hope to be set free from our sins and iniquity to be doing the will of God as He taught.

I'm willing to maintain an open heart towards Paul if I have good cause. Can you show me where I've been misdirected in the matter by Mr. DelTondo?
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#784 Dec 17, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
Cults force children to do something without their consent. aka - infant baptism.
Cult leaders like their followers to bow before them and kiss their ring.
That sounds strangely familiar.
Heath, let's be reasonable and honest, not just stone throwers. I was forced to do many things by my CoC preacher dad. It was a horrible childhood, mainly because of him and his twisted senses that understood very little of the truth of God, but all the man made doctrines and such.

I hope that someday you'll realize Acts 3:22,23 IS as important as Acts 2:38,39; and they stand upon the great commission of Matthew, which stands upon the Sermon on the Mount, which stands upon the Torah, Psalms and Prophets.

God didn't come down to teach us so we could pretend what He said didn't matter if we get dunked in the water for the right reason and follow the CoC five acts of worship....

Yeshua didn't say He was sending us 'Elders and Deacons'. Look up who He said He would send us.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#785 Dec 17, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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I have trust in the very words of God, not nerve to dare speak such about Paul. I trust what God said is absolutely true from Genesis through the Revelation of Master Yeshua.
In the OT, God said if someone didn't meet the tests He gave to know who spoke the truth, that the one not speaking the truth we are not to fear. How prophetic is that? Paul warns of curses to those who don't teach according to his gospel, which he received from no man. Yeshua appointed His hand picked eye-witnesses to testify of the gospel as He taught them first.
Note how much John has to say about keeping and abiding in the teachings of Master Yeshua and how important it is - from his gospel account throughout his letters and even such consistency to the Revelation of Master Yeshua - faith and works - works that are in keeping with the commandments of God and the Testimony and faith of Yeshua the Messiah.
Aside from 'let the word of Christ dwell in you richly', can you point me to one book or letter that Paul wrote which centers on the need to abide in whatever Yeshua taught the original disciples? This is the core of the gospel message and what we are to repent to do if we hope to be set free from our sins and iniquity to be doing the will of God as He taught.
I'm willing to maintain an open heart towards Paul if I have good cause. Can you show me where I've been misdirected in the matter by Mr. DelTondo?
All of this from somebody who got mad because he was rejected to serve lemonade at a COC camp in Texas.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#786 Dec 17, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
"Behold your Mother" while dying on the cross. Just making family arrangements according to you low end prots.

Have you ever call her Blessed like the Bible says to? Why not?

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#787 Dec 17, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
Cults force children to do something without their consent. aka - infant baptism.
Cult leaders like their followers to bow before them and kiss their ring.
That sounds strangely familiar.
Are infants part of your household? I guess not. When do they become part of your family household. At the age of accountability, a man made l doctrine which is not in the Bible?

Why do you worry about feeding them, educating them, teach them how to play sports and video games, but you don't care a thing about their soul and bring them to Jesus like the Bible says to do. They are part of the Kingdom of God too.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#788 Dec 17, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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I'm willing to maintain an open heart towards Paul if I have good cause. Can you show me where I've been misdirected in the matter by Mr. DelTondo?
How about stopping the misdirection and dodgeball and start responding to some of the things that have been posted instead?

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#789 Dec 18, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>Heath, let's be reasonable and honest, not just stone throwers. I was forced to do many things by my CoC preacher dad. It was a horrible childhood, mainly because of him and his twisted senses that understood very little of the truth of God, but all the man made doctrines and such.

I hope that someday you'll realize Acts 3:22,23 IS as important as Acts 2:38,39; and they stand upon the great commission of Matthew, which stands upon the Sermon on the Mount, which stands upon the Torah, Psalms and Prophets.

God didn't come down to teach us so we could pretend what He said didn't matter if we get dunked in the water for the right reason and follow the CoC five acts of worship....

Yeshua didn't say He was sending us 'Elders and Deacons'. Look up who He said He would send us.
Amen to those passages. I preach them all the time.

I don't know about you childhood. However that does not change biblical reality.

What church are you in now?

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#790 Dec 18, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>Are infants part of your household? I guess not. When do they become part of your family household. At the age of accountability, a man made l doctrine which is not in the Bible?

Why do you worry about feeding them, educating them, teach them how to play sports and video games, but you don't care a thing about their soul and bring them to Jesus like the Bible says to do. They are part of the Kingdom of God too.
Where are infants mentioned in the household baptisms???

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#791 Dec 18, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>"Behold your Mother" while dying on the cross. Just making family arrangements according to you low end prots.

Have you ever call her Blessed like the Bible says to? Why not?
Then He said to the disciple, "Behold your mother!" And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home.
John 19:27

And?
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#792 Dec 18, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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Amen to those passages. I preach them all the time.
I don't know about you childhood. However that does not change biblical reality.
What church are you in now?
When I attend, it's usually the CoC. Sometimes SDA or DOC.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#793 Dec 18, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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All of this from somebody who got mad because he was rejected to serve lemonade at a COC camp in Texas.
Nothing but a made up post - never been to a CoC camp in Texas in my lifetime.

Why not address my point instead of making things up?

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#794 Dec 18, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
Cults force children to do something without their consent. aka - infant baptism.
Cult leaders like their followers to bow before them and kiss their ring.
That sounds strangely familiar.
And preachers in the denomination calling itself the Church of Christ demand their members kiss something besides a ring or else they are shown the exit door.

How about telling us where you guys got the authority to preside at weddings and funerals...certainly didn't come from the Bible. How about telling us where you guys get the words you say at weddings and funerals...certainly can't find instructions in the Bible.
Dave P

Dahlonega, GA

#795 Dec 18, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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Nothing but a made up post - never been to a CoC camp in Texas in my lifetime.
Why not address my point instead of making things up?
This is truly comical. BW telling someone to address his points instead of making stuff up. From the king of Dodgeball.

Plus, didn't you say you were not accepted to help at a coc camp in Texas? Or allowed to speak the truth as you saw it?

How about addressing the points directed at you lately?
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#796 Dec 18, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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Acts 7:53; "And you have received Torah by way of the command of Messengers and you have not kept it!"
We find Saul still active in murdering and imprisoning disciples still in chapter nine. Yes, I'll note that. But because Steven said this before Paul, doesn't the matter still reside in what Moses and Yeshua said?
Are we to believe the testimony of Moses, who Yeshua said spoke the truth, and that if we don't believe what Moses said, we won't believe what He said either? It's unfortunate Steven and Paul had a different understanding or something of the like - perhaps taught some other 'tradition' than what the Scripture said.
Otherwise I have to use the evidence of Moses and Yeshua over Steven, Paul and the author of Hebrews.
See Exodus 20, where the Ten Commandments were given. It's "God", not any angel.
I edited this down for size and content. Let's examine:
1. What DID Moses say? Deuteronomy 33:1-2 (Moses' own words)- And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. And he said, "The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; He shined forth from mount Paran, and He came with ten thousands of saints: from His right hand went a fiery law for them."
2. What did the Psalmist say? The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.
Stephen and Paul didn't have a misunderstanding. They understood this as many Jews had for hundreds of years prior. Stephen, Paul, and the Hebrew writer weren't making anything up. They were communicating things that the Jews already had heard and believed. There was scriptural precedent that supported this idea.
3. Here's the real deal BW- if this was indeed something that was believed and taught for centuries prior to Stephen and Paul, and there is scripture that can support their words, then you have no reason to slam either Stephen or Paul or the Hebrew writer for making this statement. It was part of the belief system- not some kind of lie or misunderstanding on any of their parts.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#797 Dec 18, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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Did Paul say all things are lawful or not? Did Paul equate what is right and wrong is based on ones own personal conscience or not? Did Paul teach the Torah was a curse on Israel given by angels who are no God or not?
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1. Discussed angels and Sinai. Scripture shows the possibility.

2. Did Paul teach the Torah was a curse on Israel? NO. Galatians 3:10- As many as are of the works of the law are under the curse. WHAT IS THE CURSE? For it is written, cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. All that are under the law are under the curse, because THEY CANNOT KEEP ALL OF THEM. The law of Moses was an add-on so to speak, given because of transgressions, until the seed of Abraham come.

3. All things lawful? Conscience dictates right or wrong? NO. Look at context. 1 Cor. 6, right before saying all things are lawful, he says "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God". He repeats this saying in 1 Cor. 10:23, AFTER telling them to flee from idolatry. To make the argument you are trying to make, you have to rip the passages completely out of context.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#798 Dec 19, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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Where are infants mentioned in the household baptisms???
Where are infants excluded in the household baptisms. You better believe that Jews considered infants part of their household. Circumcision?

You haven't answered the question. When are your children considered part of your household, when they are baptized? Do you claim them on your tax returns as part of your household. You are lying somewhere.

Since many of the the books of the NT were written later in the first century, during the time when children were raised in the first Christian homes, we neverónot even onceófind an example of a child raised in a Christian home who is baptized only upon making a "decision for Christ." Rather, it is always assumed that the children of Christian homes are already Christians, that they have already been "baptized into Christ" (Rom. 6:3). If infant baptism were not the rule, then we should have references to the children of Christian parents joining the Church only after they had come to the age of reason, and there are no such records in the Bible.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#801 Dec 19, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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Then He said to the disciple, "Behold your mother!" And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home.
John 19:27
And?
Amen: But she was all of Christianity's mother. She was the Mother of Christ.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#802 Dec 19, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Where are infants excluded in the household baptisms. You better believe that Jews considered infants part of their household. Circumcision?
You haven't answered the question. When are your children considered part of your household, when they are baptized? Do you claim them on your tax returns as part of your household. You are lying somewhere.
Since many of the the books of the NT were written later in the first century, during the time when children were raised in the first Christian homes, we neverónot even onceófind an example of a child raised in a Christian home who is baptized only upon making a "decision for Christ." Rather, it is always assumed that the children of Christian homes are already Christians, that they have already been "baptized into Christ" (Rom. 6:3). If infant baptism were not the rule, then we should have references to the children of Christian parents joining the Church only after they had come to the age of reason, and there are no such records in the Bible.
Heath is still trying to find where CofC preachers are given biblical authority to preside at weddings and funerals and where they are told what to say.

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