William

Birmingham, AL

#355 Nov 14, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Has worked for 2000 years. Not too shabby.
More like 1700 years, give or take a few. But who's counting.
William

Birmingham, AL

#356 Nov 14, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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William, here's what I struggling with here. Yes, I agree the common man needed the scriptures. That is exactly what Jesus, and His apostles did. But they did it through preaching, teaching, oral communication, reading from the scriptures. Even in the Bible folks didn't own the scriptures- they had to go to the synagogues to see it.

Now, everyone has multiple copies. And yet Biblical ignorance is multiplied tenfold. The "leaders" don't read or understand the scriptures, people are following false doctrines and ways. Many people see no need for a church, a preacher, etc. It really is "the Bible and me". The church, leaders have no authority in anyone's spiritual lives.

We may think the catholics have gone too far. But has protestantism and evangelicalism gone too far in the other direction?
When it's all over with, each and every one of us is going to stand before God to give an account of what we believed, and what we believe is based on those scriptures.

Would you say that that is a fair and accurate statement?
Dave P

Dawsonville, GA

#357 Nov 14, 2013
Joe-the-Plumber wrote:
"We may think the catholics have gone too far. But has protestantism and evangelicalism gone too far in the other direction?"
How has protestantism gone too far in the other direction?
For all of the reasons the protesters left the catholic church, did they take their reasonings, interpretations too far into the opposite spectrum?

Calvinism sprung from the reformation. It is a false system. That's just one example. Everyone having competing interpretations is another.
Dave P

Dawsonville, GA

#358 Nov 14, 2013
William wrote:
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When it's all over with, each and every one of us is going to stand before God to give an account of what we believed, and what we believe is based on those scriptures.
Would you say that that is a fair and accurate statement?
For the most part yes.
William

Birmingham, AL

#359 Nov 14, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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For the most part yes.
Hit the books, Marine!

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#360 Nov 14, 2013
William wrote:
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More like 1700 years, give or take a few. But who's counting.
Depending on who you talk to from AD 30 or AD 32 which will be between 1978 and 1981 years but lets round off to the nearest millennium.

Low end Prots like you might have a history as long 213 years.
Dave P

Dawsonville, GA

#361 Nov 14, 2013
William wrote:
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Hit the books, Marine!
Yes drill sergeant!

The only issue, small issue, I had was that we will give account for the deeds we have done; not necessarily what we believed. Trying to be literal there.

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#362 Nov 14, 2013
William wrote:
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When it's all over with, each and every one of us is going to stand before God to give an account of what we believed, and what we believe is based on those scriptures.
Would you say that that is a fair and accurate statement?
Completely inaccurate. Nowhere does Jesus mention any scripture to follow except the OT.

It would be a cruel God to ask people to read a book and figure out how not to go to hell. Poor illiterates. They have no hope.

Upon you Peter, I will be my church and I will give you the keys to the Kingdom, to bind and loose and to forgive sins or not. Whoever hears you, hears me.

He will want to know why you weren't part of the Church Jesus created which is he body of Christ and Kingdom of God on earth.

Since: Jun 11

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#363 Nov 14, 2013
William wrote:
Covenant Reform Anglican Paedocommunist
I wondering why they feel it's necessary to charge people over $3,000 to get on a boat and go around Alaska studying paedocommunion. CRAP is right!

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#364 Nov 14, 2013
And of course why didn't you follow the Church teaching which is my teaching.

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#365 Nov 14, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Yes drill sergeant!
The only issue, small issue, I had was that we will give account for the deeds we have done; not necessarily what we believed. Trying to be literal there.
Amen. faith without works is dead.
William

Birmingham, AL

#366 Nov 14, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Yes drill sergeant!
The only issue, small issue, I had was that we will give account for the deeds we have done; not necessarily what we believed. Trying to be literal there.
Since God is no respecter of persons, and the flesh is an abomination to him, I have a hard time seeing where anything we do in the flesh is going to matter to God. All of our flesh is a stench to him, as is any of our supposed "righteousness".

As for these supposed "works in the flesh", are our works to be helping little old ladies across the street? Or me not having dropped bombs and killing Christians, but only on Muslims?

How many works? What kind? How do I know if I've done enough? Is there a minimum that I can do and still make the cut? Do I need to keep all ten commandments? Nine, excluding the sabbath? Do I need to get a prayer shawl and start adhering to all 613 commandments, as JWO-guy is really trying to suggest?

In that Book of Life, is there an Excel Spreadsheet listing our works, and whether or not our good works have out-weighed our bad.

Not buying it.
William

Birmingham, AL

#367 Nov 14, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Amen. faith without works is dead.
What kind of works, Mr. 12 Tribes Scattered Abroad?
William

Birmingham, AL

#368 Nov 14, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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I wondering why they feel it's necessary to charge people over $3,000 to get on a boat and go around Alaska studying paedocommunion. CRAP is right!
Community Religion Advocating Plagiarism
William

Birmingham, AL

#369 Nov 14, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Completely inaccurate. Nowhere does Jesus mention any scripture to follow except the OT.
So you're a "Jesus Words Only" guy too?
William

Birmingham, AL

#370 Nov 14, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Depending on who you talk to from AD 30 or AD 32 which will be between 1978 and 1981 years but lets round off to the nearest millennium.
Low end Prots like you might have a history as long 213 years.
So you think that it was the modern day Catholic church that started on that infamous day of Pentecost, there in Acts 2, and that that church there in Jerusalem is also the same as the body of Christ that Paul talked about later.

Have I got this right?

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#371 Nov 14, 2013
William wrote:
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What kind of works, Mr. 12 Tribes Scattered Abroad?
I would think you would know that by now. The old love your neighbor, feed the hungry, clothe the naked etc.

Sad that you don't know that.

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#372 Nov 14, 2013
William wrote:
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So you're a "Jesus Words Only" guy too?
Oh I am "Jesus Words" guy, but not only.

Nobody in the Bible mentioned the Bible.

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#373 Nov 14, 2013
William wrote:
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So you think that it was the modern day Catholic church that started on that infamous day of Pentecost, there in Acts 2, and that that church there in Jerusalem is also the same as the body of Christ that Paul talked about later.
Have I got this right?
There is no evidence it could be any other Church.

Peter was the first Pope. Francis is the 266th.

Mystical Body of the Church

The analogy borne by any society of men to an organism is sufficiently manifest. In every society the constituent individuals are united, as are also the members of a body, to effect a common end; while the parts they severally play correspond to the functions of the bodily organs. They form a moral unity. This, of course, is true of the Church, but the Church has also a unity of a higher order; it is not merely a moral but a mystical body. This truth, that the Church is the mystical body of Christ, all its members being guided and directed by Christ the head, is set forth by St. Paul in various passages, more especially in Ephesians 4:4-13 (cf. John 15:5-8). The doctrine may be summarized as follows:

The members of the Church are bound together by a supernatural life communicated to them by Christ through the sacraments (John 15:5). Christ is the centre and source of life to Whom all are united, and Who endows each one with gifts fitting him for his position in the body (John 15:7-12). These graces, through which each is equipped for his work, form it into an organized whole, whose parts are knit together as though by a system of ligaments and joints (John 15:16; Colossians 2:19).
Through them, too, the Church has its growth and increase, growing in extension as it spreads through the world, and intensively as the individual Christian develops in himself the likeness of Christ (John 15:13-15).
In virtue of this union the Church is the fulness or complement (pleroma) of Christ (Ephesians 1:23). It forms one whole with Him; and the Apostle even speaks of the Church as "Christ" (1 Corinthians 12:12).
This union between head and members is conserved and nourished by the Holy Eucharist. Through this sacrament our incorporation into the Body of Christ is alike outwardly symbolized and inwardly actualized; "We being many are one bread, one body; for we all partake of the one bread" (1 Corinthians 10:17).
William

Birmingham, AL

#374 Nov 14, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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I would think you would know that by now. The old love your neighbor, feed the hungry, clothe the naked etc.
Sad that you don't know that.
Is that what James told the 12 tribes, scattered abroad, in his letter?

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