Letter: Water bottling proposal a tra...

Letter: Water bottling proposal a travesty

There are 12 comments on the Chico Enterprise-Record story from Sep 13, 2009, titled Letter: Water bottling proposal a travesty. In it, Chico Enterprise-Record reports that:

I agree with everything mentioned in your editorial about water storage. This is why I am absolutely flabbergasted to say the very least upon learning of a bottled water site proposal in Orland.

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erroronpage

United States

#1 Sep 13, 2009
money,politicians and water mixes very(well) in Glenn county
David Kerr

Mill Run, PA

#2 Sep 13, 2009
Shame on Nestle. Any company which contemplates investing in CA violates their duty to maximize shareholder value. Investing in one of the well governed states is a much better option for all concerned.

Shipping water by rail from Montana would cost one thousandths of the cost of CA litigation.

Since: Dec 08

United States

#3 Sep 13, 2009
They are bring needed jobs to Glenn County and using water that if it isn't used here will be shipped south. Why would we want that? Can we get them to put a plant in Oroville too?
I Feel That If

Rancho Cordova, CA

#4 Sep 13, 2009
live in Butte County. Counties may have boundaries, but the groundwater does not. The groundwater and aquifers belong to everyone and should not be sold to the highest bidder. We all should be concerned. The survival or the failure of all our private wells depends on us.

— Bonnie Masarik, Yankee Hill

RIGHT ON BONNIE !
Water is not for sale! It belongs to everyone, It is a right just like air! We can't put a price on Water!
Let's see.... Electricty is needed to pump the water then electricty is needed to run the plant, Trucks use Diesel fuel to diliver bottled water all over our area
So they are going to sell our water back to us with a proffit? Oh... We havent even made the Bottle yet. Wow!
Totally Insane.
I Wonder Why Folks In Orland Haven't Put A Stop To This Madness.
Oh I forgot.. They need Jobs.
The Great White Way!
Control over everything!
Country,Human,Animal,Earth,Spa ce!
ProtectMyWaterRi ghts

AOL

#5 Sep 13, 2009
I find it interesting that you are concerned with your property rights (hence the name pyrp) yet you are not interested in the water rights that may affect that property. All the property in the world will do you no good if you do not have a way to irrigate it. The people of Butte and Glenn County that are against this proposal understand that the large amounts of water that will be pulled from the aquifer that serves this large area will have the potential to dry up existing wells, regardless of what the Crystal Geyser says or what the city council is willing to believe. The jobs that it will create (8-10 at the most) will be of no benefit to the city and county if revenue is lost due to the inability of the farmers to farm because they have no water.
Someone from Oroville (a city that has benefitted from the storage of water but is suffering economically at the time because of low levels)would be so willing to sell what water they have.
ProtectMyWaterRi ghts

AOL

#6 Sep 13, 2009
"I Wonder Why Folks In Orland Haven't Put A Stop To This Madness.
Oh I forgot.. They need Jobs.
The Great White Way!
Control over everything!
Country,Human,Animal,Earth,Spa ce!"

You could not be more correct in most of what you say. As is Bonnie from Yankee Hill. There is one thing that you do need to know though. There is a very active group of people in Orland and Glenn county that are fighting this project. They know that a few token low paying jobs are not worth giving up their farms and livelyhoods. They know that it will take a lot of work though because the city council seems to already have fallen for the charming salesmen from Crystal Geyeser and have sold out the very constituents that they should be representing.
This fight is not over though. Please help us fight this fight. The aquifer they will be pumping from is the water source for those in Butte, Glenn and parts of Tehama and Colusa Counties. All of the residents in these counties that understand how important water rights are need to stand with the residents of Orland and say "Protect Our Water Right" do not sell our water to this foreign company to be shipped out of the area.
Dizzy

Sacramento, CA

#7 Sep 13, 2009
I wouldn't say that Northern California has it worst.

It's pretty bad all over the state.
What - me worry

United States

#8 Sep 13, 2009
Nestle pulled out of their proposed bottling plant in McCloud because of a similar outcry and went to Sacramento to bottle water from Saramento Municipal water. So why doesn't Crystal Geyser hook up to Orland Municipal Water where the city can certainly control how much water is pumped?

Orland has a new well and pump at the Orland Airport that gets very little usage and there is a huge vacant building from the luggage company that went to China. Move into that building and use water from that city well. Then you will have jobs, fill a vacant building, use water from a well that needs pumping and the city controls the amount and the water is tested.

Now, if that doesn't work, Crystal Geyser can go to Sacramento and the NIMBYS will keep yet another business from locating here. Remember Hershey's Chocolate Plant?

Since: Dec 08

United States

#9 Sep 14, 2009
ProtectMyWaterRights wrote:
I find it interesting that you are concerned with your property rights (hence the name pyrp) yet you are not interested in the water rights that may affect that property. All the property in the world will do you no good if you do not have a way to irrigate it. The people of Butte and Glenn County that are against this proposal understand that the large amounts of water that will be pulled from the aquifer that serves this large area will have the potential to dry up existing wells, regardless of what the Crystal Geyser says or what the city council is willing to believe. The jobs that it will create (8-10 at the most) will be of no benefit to the city and county if revenue is lost due to the inability of the farmers to farm because they have no water.
Someone from Oroville (a city that has benefitted from the storage of water but is suffering economically at the time because of low levels)would be so willing to sell what water they have.
The County of Butte sells it's water from Oroville damn to downstream buyers every year. What would be wrong with using that water here to create jobs? Your 8-10 job estimate is absurdly low. Butte County is forced to pay for it's water allotment from the damn every year or lose the rights to it, even if they had no buyer.

So what I an saying is protect the ground water. Having them move the plant to Oroville and bottling refreshing Feather River water instead. Water that would otherwise run downstream.

Since: Dec 08

United States

#10 Sep 14, 2009
Frankly, bottled water is a fad that will fade with time. Butte County would be able to re-purpose the water in the future
ProtectMyWaterRi ghts

AOL

#11 Sep 14, 2009
pypr wrote:
<quoted text>
The County of Butte sells it's water from Oroville damn to downstream buyers every year. What would be wrong with using that water here to create jobs? Your 8-10 job estimate is absurdly low. Butte County is forced to pay for it's water allotment from the damn every year or lose the rights to it, even if they had no buyer.
So what I an saying is protect the ground water. Having them move the plant to Oroville and bottling refreshing Feather River water instead. Water that would otherwise run downstream.
I agree with protecting ground water however the government sees property rights as something completely different than water rights. When two entities (let’s say a homeowner and a large water bottling facility) have wells next to one another, there is no regulation as to who can pump how much water. There is not regulation in the state of California for the pumping of ground water. It is the “right of capture”(i.e. whoever has the biggest pump wins). When the company pumping large amounts of water causes the water table to drop and the residents well to go dry, the resident has no recourse. This proposed plant is in the middle of an area with farms and residences on private wells. While the residents in Orland are hooked to the City water and must pay for its usage, this company would have its own wells with no monitoring and regulation. The local residents must pay for their small usage but this big company does not have to. This plant will operate 24/7 and will be making the bottles on site. They will be trucking 24/7 on county roads through the city limit and residential areas. They will be sending waste water (yes it takes a great deal of water to “make” water) to the local sewage system that was very recently deemed full. A local business that supports local farmers was told to scale back production because the sewage ponds could not handle the increased flow. Now suddenly it can? A local business that supports local farmers can not expand but a foreign company that will ship product and profit out of the country out of the area? Hmm.
You say in your post that Butte County must pay for its water whether they use it or not. This company will not pay for its water. These bottling plants go into these towns with a figure of how much water they will need. It may seem like a small amount to the local city leaders who OK it. Then once the plant is up and running they increase the amount of water that they take. If a city tries to stop them they delete the city coffers through lawsuits. It has happened in virtually all areas where water bottling facilities have gone in. If you can find one location where a bottling plant went in that the locals were happy after the fact that they approved it-please let me know. I have not found one in this country, but I keep hearing and reading just the opposite. These bottling plants do not want to pump from above ground sources because it is then subject to regulation.
Ounce_of_Reason

United States

#12 Sep 15, 2009
I can't understand the "hysteria". This company is a economic gem for any small communities. Besides the job creation (both direct & indirect),to get a Fortune 500 company in Orland will open the door for more retail stores and stronger economic base. Was water, truck traffic a reason for denying a company, such as "Sierra Nevada", from expanding in Chico? I'm sure it was an issue, but looking at the positives the town is the better for it.
The water issue is very weak. If a farmer decided to plant 80 acres of olives (the same water consumption annually), nobody would say anything.
The orchard would pull the water from a shallower well over 4-5 months. The farmer would therefore have a "greater" impact on the aquafer than this plant.
People, please look at the facts, ask the right questions and listen to reason.

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