California Proposition 19: the Mariju...

California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

Created by CitizenTopix on Oct 7, 2010

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Bruno24

Brussels, Belgium

#13010 Nov 14, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>BS...of course it's better then smoking cigarettes, but smoking anything is not good for you. Most people that smoke pot are not occasional and also breath deep holding it in. A lot of those tests you read are not done like that. Check out what the medical field says and not what the advocates say. Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users' risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana, compared to their general risk of heart attack when not smoking. How many people are having heart attacks because of pot but never reported? Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers typically inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer, when smoking.
Research indicates that THC impairs the body's immune system from fighting disease, which can cause a wide variety of health problems. One study found that marijuana actually inhibited the disease-preventing actions of key immune cells. Another study found that THC increased the risk of developing bacterial infections and tumors.
Several studies have found that children born to mothers who used marijuana during pregnancy exhibit some problems with neurological development. According to those studies, prenatal marijuana exposure can cause:
Altered responses to visual stimuli
Increased tremulousness
Problems with sustained attention and memory
I wonder why the poor people that smoke pot have so many kids with add?
Give the references. Up to now, all papers mentioning problems were based on lack of statistical coherence, or pure speculation based on in vitro in vivo extrapolation. I do accept that smoking anything is not recommendable during pregnancy. Nothing here to justify illegality of pot.
Anyway, making a drug illegal augments its consumption, in all cases (with dangerous or non dangerous products).
Big D

Modesto, CA

#13011 Nov 14, 2012
Mr Anderson wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama kinda IS half "D" and half "R"
Obama has backed your party off several issues in the middle/right and coopted those ideas for himself.
like O'romneebama care
now he has your party in a tough spot....
they have to change or die...
why just today senetor rand paul called for a path to citizenship, just like S. hannity and R. murdoch did....
those are the smart rethugs...
tacking back to the center is the ONLY thing that will get you more votes....
those from your side, that think nominating a MORE conservative candidate, like gingrich or santorum??
are asking for an EVEN larger whippin.....
Mr Anderson

As they have not yet had their ultra-right wing candidate yet, I don’t expect them to learn until they do.

Honestly

Until they get someone like Rick Santorum ( who of course will go down in flames in the general election ) I don’t think the far right will actually take stock of the situation.

The GOP is in a tough spot, a large section of their party hates other large groups of people, Minorities ( all of them usually ), women ( subservient sex ), Immigrants ( even legal ones ), and... drum roll.... Liberals ( who are a majority of Americans ), anyone of a religion other than some particular religion.

How do they start reaching out, with out a large segment of their base abandoning them?

to be honest... I have no idea how they will do this.

But I don’t think they will face their crisis yet, I think they will lurch right one more time, and actually run a right wing religious nut job and have him go down in a landslide before they actually face their situation.
If it

Glendora, CA

#13012 Nov 14, 2012
GOP can always submitt.
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#13013 Nov 14, 2012
Mr Anderson wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama kinda IS half "D" and half "R"
Obama has backed your party off several issues in the middle/right and coopted those ideas for himself.
like O'romneebama care
now he has your party in a tough spot....
they have to change or die...
why just today senetor rand paul called for a path to citizenship, just like S. hannity and R. murdoch did....
those are the smart rethugs...
tacking back to the center is the ONLY thing that will get you more votes....
those from your side, that think nominating a MORE conservative candidate, like gingrich or santorum??
are asking for an EVEN larger whippin.....
lol....don't paint the great obama as being in the middle...lol....that is funny.....The only middle is his constant use of loving and protecting the middle class, if he says it enough you fools will believe it.
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#13014 Nov 14, 2012
Resuckdickens wrote:
<quoted text>
why are you going to a pot shop?? presumably to get Pot.
if you think you are going to drop dead(from a heart attack) from smoking...
because you are not....not unless your heart is F&&ked up to start with......your just not old enough...
....confusing
I tried it for some problems like you, didn't help that much, smoking it gave me heartburn and made my chest hurt, eating it was hard to control the outcome, after reading about what it does to the heart to middle age men, I won't smoke it anymore and most likely will not use it anymore. Not too many people middle age know what condition their heart is, a heart attack can sneak up on anyone. Why take the chance? It's not worth it.
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#13015 Nov 14, 2012
Bruno24 wrote:
<quoted text>
Give the references. Up to now, all papers mentioning problems were based on lack of statistical coherence, or pure speculation based on in vitro in vivo extrapolation. I do accept that smoking anything is not recommendable during pregnancy. Nothing here to justify illegality of pot.
Anyway, making a drug illegal augments its consumption, in all cases (with dangerous or non dangerous products).
I hope the 2 states will be able to go through with making it legal, it will be a good chance to see how it works. I too think it should be legal. I'm just saying, like drinking booze, it has it's risks. It won't save the world.
If it

Glendora, CA

#13016 Nov 14, 2012
Your right again, the GOP and Republicans should submit.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#13017 Nov 14, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>I hope the 2 states will be able to go through with making it legal, it will be a good chance to see how it works. I too think it should be legal. I'm just saying, like drinking booze, it has it's risks. It won't save the world.
I agree, they will be interesting test beds

the older I get ( I wish I would stop that ) the less I drink ( although I have been enjoying a nightcap lately ) and I have no interest whatsoever in pot.

This is going to be interesting to watch
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#13018 Nov 14, 2012
If it wrote:
Your right again, the GOP and Republicans should submit.
I have an idea, Republicans should agree to raise taxes but only on registered Democrats since you voted for it. You get to pay for it.
pot seller

Lexington, KY

#13019 Nov 14, 2012
hell yes make it leagle and this eagle will fly to cally buy all i can get get richer in ky
PappaJerk

Glendora, CA

#13020 Nov 14, 2012
Pappa Johns Pizza, Jerk owner who threateded to reduce his employees working hours because President Obama won his second term in office has another SELF made problem to deal with.

As before the Pappa John empolyees call the boss a JERK.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#13021 Nov 14, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>I have an idea, Republicans should agree to raise taxes but only on registered Democrats since you voted for it. You get to pay for it.
That is a slippery slope, what if we raise taxes only on lower income registered republicans that vote for tax breaks for people that make over $500,000 a year, to make up for the loss?
One Way

Santa Cruz, CA

#13022 Nov 14, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
"Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him" (Proverbs 26: 12). I think that sums up Anderson pretty well.
Every good thing seems wasted on you- pot, the Bible, engagement, tolerance, humor- freedom.
If you offer nothing in the way of success- you
leave the world no choice but to deal with you according failures. You couldn't find this lesson is scripture?
(put that in your pipe and smoke it.)
sociopathic Liberals

Orland, CA

#13023 Nov 14, 2012
PappaJerk wrote:
Pappa Johns Pizza, Jerk owner who threateded to reduce his employees working hours because President Obama won his second term in office has another SELF made problem to deal with.
As before the Pappa John empolyees call the boss a JERK.
Amazing how stupid you idiots look who have never owned, operated or managed any business when you spew your stupidity about something you obviously have no clue about!!!
Mr Anderson

Washington, UT

#13024 Nov 14, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>I hope the 2 states will be able to go through with making it legal, it will be a good chance to see how it works. I too think it should be legal. I'm just saying, like drinking booze, it has it's risks. It won't save the world.
no one asked for marijuana to save the world, although willie nelson, sais i saved HIS life.

all anyone is asking for, is for pot to be reschedualed and decriminalized..

legalization is up to the particular state....

but decriminalization shpould happen at the federal level...

although im not holding my" bong hit" in, waiting for it to happen.

I kinda already have a feeling about what is going to happen.

people are going to try to enjoy themsleves......and this will start a huge war with the social conservatives....yet there will be nothing they can do.

and it will obviously bring down the feds.

for comleatly different reasons.

the feds want to eradicate it, not because it is immoral somehow to smoke gifts from god?

but because it represents a threat to the bottome line of other sectors of the economy....

ps: I stopped doing bongsloads back in 99'
Mr Anderson

Washington, UT

#13025 Nov 14, 2012
One Way wrote:
<quoted text>
Every good thing seems wasted on you- pot, the Bible, engagement, tolerance, humor- freedom.
If you offer nothing in the way of success- you
leave the world no choice but to deal with you according failures. You couldn't find this lesson is scripture?
(put that in your pipe and smoke it.)
alhough riccardo called me conceited??

he also called me "wise"

I feel gooey all over!!

LOL;)
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#13026 Nov 14, 2012
One Way wrote:
<quoted text>
Every good thing seems wasted on you- pot, the Bible, engagement, tolerance, humor- freedom.
If you offer nothing in the way of success- you
leave the world no choice but to deal with you according failures. You couldn't find this lesson is scripture?
(put that in your pipe and smoke it.)
Even if you don't believe in God or the Bible, Proverbs has some good life lessons. I'm in no way pushing religion on anyone. Sorry if you see it that way.
Mr Anderson

Washington, UT

#13027 Nov 14, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>I have an idea, Republicans should agree to raise taxes but only on registered Democrats since you voted for it. You get to pay for it.
you make it oud like a majority of the people who voted for romney make MORE than 250000 a year....

when they DONT!!

they will appreciate the extention of he tax cuts!!

as will I

the ony people wo will ge back to the 90'sare those making OVER a quarter million a year....

what is the effective rate hike fo soeonemking 250000 a year?

3% or $7500 extra !!

wow WHAT A huge extra gouge in a quarter mil.

your insistance that the rich be let off along with the middle class is infantile.

the middle class actaully spends their tax break.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#13028 Nov 14, 2012
Mr Anderson wrote:
<quoted text>
I feel gooey all over!!
LOL;)
that is the pot talking :)
Mr Anderson

Washington, UT

#13029 Nov 14, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>lol....don't paint the great obama as being in the middle...lol....that is funny.....The only middle is his constant use of loving and protecting the middle class, if he says it enough you fools will believe it.
he is not in the middle huh??

I hope you dont think mitt was?

his campaign was RUN on a promise to extend the bush tax cuts for the middle class.....and he's reiterated that pledge about a half dozens times in the last week, since he cleaned the floor with romneys face.

ive never seen a winning cadidate for president act so egalitaran and "work like" aftr a stunnin "middle" class victory....

dont blame Obama for being such a centrist.....he is only taking over political turf that YOUR OWN party surrendered, like O romney care, which was first proposed as an alternative to "hillary" care by chuck grassley and orrin hatch(both rethugs)

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