In the state's antiquated system, a Cabernet costs a little more

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The supermarket shopping cart was filling up with the usual items -- bread, milk, breakfast cereal, and Sebastiani Sonoma Cabernet Sauvignon, which, it turned out, was a nice red wine for that evening's dinner ...

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Sick of Bethlehem

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Mar 11, 2009
 
Yup. Then we will have some guy with a turban waiting on us... shipping our hard earned dollars out of the country. I don't like the LCB either, but until something better comes along I will tolerate it sans a so called "free enterprise" system.

By the way Paul, good article. It's true what you say about other states. I've lived in Michigan for a while. Their system of "party stores" allows a person to buy their cigs, milk, wine, booze, or beer in one stop. And a case of beer can be bought as well as a six pack. A distributor in Mich is a huge place with a pile of truck docks not accessible to the consumer. Hence the absence of the stupid distributor min of a case and the bar max of two six packs.
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Mar 11, 2009
 
"Tolerate it until something better comes along"?
Mr. Carpenter, with whom I rarely agree, is describing exactly the "something better". In Iowa, for example, I can shop for my groceries in the supermarket, and pick up wine for dinner, or a beer or cooler for a fraction of the price of those items in PA, and without driving to different stores since there is no "one-stop" place here. We have a silly antiquated system!
Not sure how you tied this into that turban comment, not sure what that has to do with this story?
John Birch

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Mar 11, 2009
 
Sick:
Drive 12 miles East to NJ and try to find a guy with a turban in a liquor store. You won't (and so what if you did? He's probably as American as you). What you WILL find is twice the selection at much lower prices.
DRIBBLE CUP

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Mar 11, 2009
 
THIS GUYS CONSTANT WHYNING BLOWS. TAKE HIS JOB AWAY CAUSE HE IS USELESS. SOME KID FRESH OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL WHOULD DO A BETTER JOB FOR HALF THE PRICE MAYBE EVEN LESS THEN THAT. GO LIVE UNDER A BRIDGE, CARPENTER YOU DRONE.
Truth

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Mar 11, 2009
 
John Birch wrote:
Sick:
Drive 12 miles East to NJ and try to find a guy with a turban in a liquor store. You won't (and so what if you did? He's probably as American as you). What you WILL find is twice the selection at much lower prices.
You will not find twice the selection. GUARANTEED! Secondly, the price isn't always that much better, if at all. Price of a SANTA MARGHERITA Pinot Grigio in PA-$21.99. In Morristown NJ,$24.99. Cheaper where? PA! Try to find it at the Wine Hut, one of the largest retailers and you won't. They don't have it.
Gonzo

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Mar 11, 2009
 
While I certainly don't always agree with Mr. Carpenter, we're in agreement here. Since moving to PA 15 years ago this has been my 2nd biggest complaint (next to the bizarre array of local taxes that we are subjected to).

A government monopoly plus unionized employees does not lead to a happy consumer experience in the state stores. I'm glad to hear Mr. Carpenter comment favorably on the help that he received; it appears to me that is the exception rather than the rule.(AND there's the other major annoyance - why do I have wait in line behind restaurant owners who are purchasing an entire truckload? That's ludicrous!)
Scott

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Mar 11, 2009
 
Didn't Rendell try to disband the state store system years back? What happened? Assume special interest groups once again got in the way of improving things for the whole of society to benefit a few. Jagazzes.
Staberdearth

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Mar 11, 2009
 
This argument has been going on since at least the 1980's and most likely a lot earlier. Proof positive that once a government entity get its politi-tendrils into any aspect of your life, it never ends no matter how much you protest. This is a case study in that concept.

There is far too much cronyism and patronage involved here. Why do you think it is abbreviated as PA? The concept was honed to a fine art as a political tool here.
Truth

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Mar 11, 2009
 
Staberdearth wrote:
This argument has been going on since at least the 1980's and most likely a lot earlier. Proof positive that once a government entity get its politi-tendrils into any aspect of your life, it never ends no matter how much you protest. This is a case study in that concept.
There is far too much cronyism and patronage involved here. Why do you think it is abbreviated as PA? The concept was honed to a fine art as a political tool here.
Certainly there is far too much patronage. I remember reading that they had record sales this last holiday season.
PLCB stinks

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Mar 11, 2009
 
I've been driving to Jersey for YEARS to get better selection at a fraction of the price.
Another silly law is that you cannot ship wine to PA (despite to recent US Supreme Court opinion to the contrary). If a friend recommends a wine that is not carried in the state system, your choices are:(1) tough luck (2) break the law and get it in Jersey. In PA it is virtually impossible to be a wine collector without BREAKING THE LAW.
I tried to get a particular brand at the state store a few weeks ago. They told me they COULD get it for me, but the minimum quantity I had to order was a case! A CASE?!
Grumps

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Mar 11, 2009
 
The guys I go to in LMT are the grumpiest guys I have seen. They like make you intentionaly feel like a low life for buying a bottle of wine or something.$170K for a company to come in and work with these guys? UFB.
Truth

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Mar 11, 2009
 
Grumps wrote:
The guys I go to in LMT are the grumpiest guys I have seen. They like make you intentionaly feel like a low life for buying a bottle of wine or something.$170K for a company to come in and work with these guys? UFB.
Trexlertown or Macungie?
Truth

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Mar 11, 2009
 
PLCB stinks wrote:
I've been driving to Jersey for YEARS to get better selection at a fraction of the price.
Another silly law is that you cannot ship wine to PA (despite to recent US Supreme Court opinion to the contrary). If a friend recommends a wine that is not carried in the state system, your choices are:(1) tough luck (2) break the law and get it in Jersey. In PA it is virtually impossible to be a wine collector without BREAKING THE LAW.
I tried to get a particular brand at the state store a few weeks ago. They told me they COULD get it for me, but the minimum quantity I had to order was a case! A CASE?!
WOW!!! All the way from Pittsburgh. How much do you have to purchase to make it worth your time and money? Considering PA is usually within a dollar or so a bottle, I'd imagine you'd have to just about fill a box truck full of cases before you'd break even.
There is no way you can find a better selection in any store in NJ than you can find in Pa. You just can't.
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Mar 11, 2009
 
Emmaus (actualy not LMT)on 29 and Macungie on Rte 100. Don't go to TTown much. It has always striked me as strange. Almost like passing judgement or something.
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<quoted text>Trexlertown or Macungie?
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#15
Mar 11, 2009
 
Gotta go to Total Wine just over the state line on 95 in Delaware, that place kills any state store in PA and comes really close to NJ price wise. For variety, not sure anyone beats them. The place is an old Acme grocery store, 3/4 filled with wines.
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<quoted text>WOW!!! All the way from Pittsburgh. How much do you have to purchase to make it worth your time and money? Considering PA is usually within a dollar or so a bottle, I'd imagine you'd have to just about fill a box truck full of cases before you'd break even.
There is no way you can find a better selection in any store in NJ than you can find in Pa. You just can't.
Truth

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Mar 11, 2009
 
Grumps wrote:
Gotta go to Total Wine just over the state line on 95 in Delaware, that place kills any state store in PA and comes really close to NJ price wise. For variety, not sure anyone beats them. The place is an old Acme grocery store, 3/4 filled with wines.
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Been there, seen it. It's selection is hardly better than the Crest Plaza store near Target. Prices are pretty good, NJ's not really that great price wise. But Total Wine is 90 minutes away. That's 3 hours both ways. So is it really worth the $12-15 worth of gas and 3 hours out of your day to save a couple of bucks? To make it worth your time and effort and gas, you better be buying several cases worth.
mikki tenj_P5 Party

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Mar 11, 2009
 
Paul; It seems your article is comparing alot of apples to alot of oranges. Both seem to be good sides to cuttlefish or squid if you will.. Some big chunks of nori ( roasted seaweed) certainly seem to be on my menu all the time; Not just with wine.
Having some experience with supermarket availability of alcohol in Oregon , I was aware of both Costco bargains, Safeways shortcomings because of PA Laws , and simple economics. Stores that specialize in wine and alcohol can't offset their costs by larger ticket items like 42 inch plasma TVs. That 4 dollar markup , seeminingly , isn't a markup at all.
The dilemma you face with sub 20$ wine is not without its merit. Some people can find good wines from 10$-20$, some will opt for the closeout specials at 3.49 ; buy in bulk simply to get trashed; ( amen) and then there are WINE BUYERS at 25$+
If you can catch my drift; finding good sales is good to impress your date, perhaps your wife, perhaps even your dog who already is accustomed to lager. Don't complain about wine under 25$ if you can't understand why wholesale membership stores can sell wine cheaper. Retail vs. Wholesale; Why did you burden the paper with you lack of education for this article?

Legalize the buds, no tax,no licensen , Feds have made their $ on Racist tyranny since 1937.Since when does politician have the right to censor fellow man on all the moral plants when gods' marriage is failed so often among the so called sacred and the swingers oblige tax cuts freely with no investigation? DEA= Douchebags enforcing abomination. Psychoactivity proves cohabition if by supreme creationist being(s). Anyway Rastafarianism and Hindus have been oppressed in this freedom of religion country. Acknowledgment the legal wrongs both socially and religiously is necessary.
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#18
Mar 12, 2009
 
You're wondering why a California wine purchased in California cost much less than the same wine purchased in PENNSYLVANIA. Think about it. Nice job pretending to care about the clerks, too. You must not know any if you think they'd be better off in the private sector ...
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#19
Mar 12, 2009
 
I do not always agree with Paul but the PLCB was created when Prohibition ended. It's purpose was to extended the idea of prohibition as far as was legally possible. So the PLCB made it as difficult as they possibly could to buy booze. That included limited hours, limited locations,high prices and Evangelical clerks. The PLCB is actually one of the few government agencies that achieved it's mandate. We might not agree as the world has changed but they at least seem to be getting a little better. Just some food for thought.
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Mar 12, 2009
 
Sorry to the spelling geeks should be extend please drop the ed.

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