Saucon Valley teachers strike begins bitterly

Bryan Eichfeld, a construction materials salesman and parent in the Saucon Valley School District, complained to school board President Ralph Puerta: ''I will have a decrease in pay this year because things are ... Read more
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Private and parochial

Allentown, PA

#168 Sep 18, 2008
Marc wrote:
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The average government school per child is $12K-$15K (higher in NJ)- OK. There is no ignorance there - that is a fact.
Private and parochial schools in the greater Philly area rate at $5k-$8k - and provide a better education. Yes - I said it.
I am not going after teachers more than I am going after the waste of the union and the bloated administration which is just that. No **** about the inner city - everybody has the chance with the voucher to pick their school. Now this is not a lunch ticket to free ride - students will need to perform. OK. No ignorance.
I do have friends that are teachers - both in private and government schools, so this is a good debate. The government schools require all this certification - which is why one of my friends jumped through hoops to go from a private school to a government school.
Sir - teachers (and government employees) are like anything else in the economy. They should be subjected to normal business cycles - which yes includes competition.
I will debate any point. Start with the $12k (bottom # per student - might be higher in SV district) and tell me why competition would not work say if I took someone in that district and allowed for them to pick a school of their choice. I would bet you that a parent would find a school for about half to three-quarters of tuition. You sound like a teacher and someone who is not open to competition LOL.
Would that teachers could follow the parochial school rules -- screen applicants, remove permanently those that don't toe the line, not have to comply with standards. People are willing to work there for lesser salaries for a reason. It is easier. That is not a knock on the teachers there -- they made a choice and most are happy with it.
Scores for the same economic groups are not better statewide in parochial schools than in the public schools in the same areas. Cyber/charter school scores are in some instances better but not so in the areas when the charters prevent them from ditching special ed and behavior problems. The state has tried the privatization route twice -- in Chester-Upland and in Philly -- both times with catastrophic results. The public section of Philly schools actually outperformed the pricatized part even after the private company was allowed to routinely transfer their most problematic students to the public side.
jones

AOL

#169 Sep 18, 2008
Chester and Philly, White people don't live there anymore. You want demographics. This is what it's all about.
Marc

Philadelphia, PA

#170 Sep 18, 2008
Private and parochial wrote:
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Would that teachers could follow the parochial school rules -- screen applicants, remove permanently those that don't toe the line, not have to comply with standards. People are willing to work there for lesser salaries for a reason. It is easier. That is not a knock on the teachers there -- they made a choice and most are happy with it.
Scores for the same economic groups are not better statewide in parochial schools than in the public schools in the same areas. Cyber/charter school scores are in some instances better but not so in the areas when the charters prevent them from ditching special ed and behavior problems. The state has tried the privatization route twice -- in Chester-Upland and in Philly -- both times with catastrophic results. The public section of Philly schools actually outperformed the pricatized part even after the private company was allowed to routinely transfer their most problematic students to the public side.
My argument is focused on the competition and yes- it would work by saving the taxpayer money on useless administration which is bloated, the NEA itself and providing the freedom of choice. For example - Camden County NJ which is a wasteland as is most of NJ in government would allow for parents to send their kids to Bishop Eustace, Camden Catholic or a private high school WITH A VOUCHER. Eustace tuition -$11,000. Camden Catholic -$6,400. The average government school per child -$12-15k. Take out the municipal costs for fire and police - right there you have remarkable savings.

I do not want to hear catostrophy and failure. What that implies is that government schools are the only and best option. Simply not true. As i mentioned in previous posts - this is not a free ticket ride for the kids - now they need to perform.

Competition is great - it allows for choice in the free market. This is the best way.
Angela Osmun

Allentown, PA

#171 Sep 29, 2008
This is ludicrious, the teachers need to realize that the residents pay their salaries, not just the district. I am so sick of people like Demko thinking that during the beginning of a recession, that people in the area are about to roll over to these stupid demands. I love my teachers, but with the health benefits they already get, and with the salaries already so high, its time to just, and i do mean this out of love, shut up and put your students first again.
Tax Payer

Telford, PA

#172 Oct 27, 2009
Raise the testing scores, then talk about pay raises. From what I can see, the scores have been dropping the the past years.
Tax Payer

Telford, PA

#173 Oct 27, 2009
You cant handle the truth wrote:
Everyone else around them are hurting? In Saucon Valley? Get real. Most of the parents on these posts are p.o/'d because they have to make arrangements for someone else (besides the school district which they feel is a publicly supported daycare) to watch their precious little angels. If you don't like your taxes, move! This is America, you are allowed. If you don't want to move, get your representatives to change the system to something that you find less heinous. The striking teachers and the stubborn school board are symptoms of the real problem here, not the cause. How about an increase in sales taxes, maybe 2%- no one is forced to spend anymore than they need - and would be far less than the property taxes they have to pay.
But no, Anonymous, that would maske to much sense for an uneducated twirp like you. You would rather spread your venomous half truths and keep pointing your finger rather than suggesting a solution to the problem.
You are a jackass. If you want more money, then let it show in the testing scores. How dare you tell the tax payers to move if they don't want to pay more in taxes. You just proved that the teachers are just greedy. You are the highest payed teachers in the county. When will it stop. What a pathetic bunch. Go to hell.

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