Pennsylvania isn't the only state with budget woes

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Korea

#1 Jul 2, 2009
Pennsylvania collected $25.5 billion in tax receipts for the 2008-09 fiscal year. That's $3.25 billion, or 11.3 percent, less than anticipated, the state Revenue Department said Wednesday.

What makes anyone think it may not be $3.25 billion less next year. This budget needs to come in at $22.25 billion and not a penny more. Rendell needs to trim $6.6 billion off this bloated mess.

The fatman must cut the fat.
Enough

United States

#2 Jul 2, 2009
Yep and all of the state's mentioned in the article either have a democratic governor and/or a legislative branch controlled by liberal democrats who can't seem to stop spending on projects to appease their special interest groups and continue to increase taxes on individuals and businesses. Does this tell you something not only about these states but where the country is headed under this clown who is our president and is liberal pals in the Congress.
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Korea

#3 Jul 2, 2009
I am a Democratic Party member. There is much I agree on, but with respect to these levels of deficits and the implementation of a Keynesian solution, I believe they dropped the ball by doing it in a politically way that rewards construction industry, but is too slow to have an impact in 2009. As a non-Keynesian, I would have done things significantly different which I have mentioned numerous times.

With regards to state government, yes there are avenues for fiscal stimulus of deficit spending if it put more people to work "TEMPORARILY" at low wages, but the reality is that $8 billion of new permanent spending has been implemented in PA that has created these fiscal deficits, but very little economic expansion in his 7 years in office.

Where are all the other New Frontiersmen Democrats who believe in Keyens and Kennedy tax cuts and budget surpluses?

This new crew of Democrats are a complete failure and stand for very little than a neo-socialist agenda. This is not the Democratic Party I knew which stood for the working man and the middle class across races. It is an entitlement middle class that delivers entitlements to voters and then thinks they entitiled to grand lifestyles on the taxpayers dime.

Time for moderates to take back the Democratic Party. I like Obama, but he is on a Jimmy Carter pathway to a 1 term presidency unless he lucks out and there is something like 4 million jobs created in 2011-2012 election cycle. He needs to scale down his agenda and truly focus on 1 or 2 major items and deliver it without another $1 trillon budget deficit.

He may have won a mandate by his election, but he still has contraints of the pursestrings in a contracting economy where taxpayers are eventually faced with higher taxes unless federal government slims down by about $500 billion per year.
Lauren

Shamokin, PA

#4 Jul 2, 2009
I don't think the recession is as bad as they make it sound..... it may be on it's way, but until I see people stop shopping at malls or stores, going on vacations, etc. it's not that bad..... Maybe overall the US is doing bad, but it's not a lot of citizens faults (except for the ones that overspend what they don't have). I live fiscally conservative all year round. I don't have a credit card. I live without cable and internet. I pay my bills first and then save what is leftover and I was able to go on a vacation this year. I do think I am lucky because I have a job. But if you have a job and you live conservatively - I don't think there is anything to complain about. We live so much more richer than almost all other countries. We are blessed. And we are used to the American mindset of having a lot. If for once, we don't, then we need to understand we can't spend all the time and still be grateful for how much we have. And especially be thankful for the things that matter...
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Korea

#5 Jul 2, 2009
Lauren wrote:
I don't think the recession is as bad as they make it sound..... it may be on it's way, but until I see people stop shopping at malls or stores, going on vacations, etc. it's not that bad..... Maybe overall the US is doing bad, but it's not a lot of citizens faults (except for the ones that overspend what they don't have). I live fiscally conservative all year round. I don't have a credit card. I live without cable and internet. I pay my bills first and then save what is leftover and I was able to go on a vacation this year. I do think I am lucky because I have a job. But if you have a job and you live conservatively - I don't think there is anything to complain about. We live so much more richer than almost all other countries. We are blessed. And we are used to the American mindset of having a lot. If for once, we don't, then we need to understand we can't spend all the time and still be grateful for how much we have. And especially be thankful for the things that matter...
We will break 8 million unemployed in 2010 prior to recovery. Then factor in about another 8 million underemployed or part-time employment. Then US producing about 1 million new workers each year from graduation.

If this isn't reveresed within the next year, you are looking at 20 million unemployed or underemployed. This is very significant. 5% decline year after year in GDP is serious.

There will always be people out shopping when there is deflation. These are the people who actually have steady employment and built up significant savings and wealth.

Bad times are here and they are not reversing anytime soon.
snowman allentown PA

Reading, PA

#6 Jul 2, 2009
And nowhere do I hear about cutbacks from either side just we like our budget. What a bunch of egotistical bast...rds who care not one damn bit for the people that pay these taxes. I am talkimg about the governor, the assembly, the workers and especially the fxxing lobbyists.
LVHN spouse

North Wales, PA

#7 Jul 2, 2009
And don't you love those ads from the ACORN based SEIU LOCAL 668 and their lies about cutting fat in the budget so they can get more money..hey, how's that hope and change working for you!!!
Uncle Sam

Lehighton, PA

#8 Jul 3, 2009
We need to learn live within our means, this sometime requires tough decisions.
judi from bethlehem

Bethlehem, PA

#9 Jul 3, 2009
LVHN spouse wrote:
And don't you love those ads from the ACORN based SEIU LOCAL 668 and their lies about cutting fat in the budget so they can get more money..hey, how's that hope and change working for you!!!
Wait till you see the gov't ad offering free cell phones to the dregs collecting welfare and food stamps.
Is the gov't TRYING to cause an uprising?
John Galt

Coraopolis, PA

#10 Jul 3, 2009
The Republicans are bad, the Democrats are worse. But after the ample evidence provided by their complete and continuing incompetence, the voter that pulls the lever for either is the absolute worst. Please wake up before it is too late, if it isn't already. If a politician promises you something for nothing, turn away. If a politician promises to make your life better at the expense of another, turn away. There is no free lunch. You can never balance a budget by continuously raising taxes and spending 1.2 times your receipts. The only way to stop the bleeding is to cut spending and reign in government.

We have only ourselves to blame for these disasters that are our local, state, and federal governments. Will we learn?

Since: Jun 09

Englewood, CO

#11 Jul 3, 2009
judi from bethlehem wrote:
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Wait till you see the gov't ad offering free cell phones to the dregs collecting welfare and food stamps.
Is the gov't TRYING to cause an uprising?
"dregs"? lord knows we wouldn't want someone to have access to a phone, so they may be able get a job, get off welfare and start paying taxes.
judi from bethlehem

Bethlehem, PA

#12 Jul 3, 2009
nappyrhino wrote:
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"dregs"? lord knows we wouldn't want someone to have access to a phone, so they may be able get a job, get off welfare and start paying taxes.
Yeah,right, that's gonna happen. The cell phone is going to motivate them right up and out the door and off welfare. Get real!

Investigate welfare fraud in this State before you accuse me of begrudging anyone, anything.

Since: Jun 09

Englewood, CO

#13 Jul 3, 2009
judi from bethlehem wrote:
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Yeah,right, that's gonna happen. The cell phone is going to motivate them right up and out the door and off welfare. Get real!
Investigate welfare fraud in this State before you accuse me of begrudging anyone, anything.
so you're saying EVERY person who may be eligible for one of these phones is a "dreg", who would have no inclination of trying to better their situation?

given the current economic climate, you don't know WHO is eligible for one. might be a neighbour of your's, might be YOU, next.
judi from bethlehem

Bethlehem, PA

#14 Jul 3, 2009
Won't be me nappyrhino. Never had to ask for assistance from anyone. There are too many ways to make money and pay my own bills. As long as it was legal, I did whatever job I had to do to earn my own way and I will continue to do so.
AND - I did not say EVERY person eligible, was a dreg.
But I do know for a fact that there are a lot of people out there ripping off the gov't and do not deserve a cell phone on top of it.
I don't deny help to anyone who actually needs it.

Anonymous-PA State Worker

Allentown, PA

#15 Jul 3, 2009
There’s been some talk lately about whether or not state employees are covered under the protections of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. The short answer is yes.

When the law was first passed, it was not intended to cover government employees. In 1966, the Act was amended to cover certain government employees in certain conditions. In 1976, in National League of Cities v. Usery (426 U.S. 833 (1976)), the US Supreme Court ruled that the FLSA did not cover government employees doing traditional government-employee-type work, effectively ending the employees’ protection under FLSA.

However, Garcia v. San Antonio Metropolitan Transit Authority (469 U.S. 528 (1985)) effectively reversed National League of Cities. It clearly states that employees of state and local governments are covered by the Fair Labor Standards Act. And given the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution, no state legislation can override federal law. So even if our legislators rush through an emergency bill that attempts to block FLSA protections for state employees, it would not stand up against federal law.

Your move

“Cool Logic - Burning Passion”

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#16 Jul 7, 2009
comment wrote:
I am a Democratic Party member. There is much I agree on, but with respect to these levels of deficits and the implementation of a Keynesian solution, I believe they dropped the ball by doing it in a politically way that rewards construction industry, but is too slow to have an impact in 2009. As a non-Keynesian, I would have done things significantly different which I have mentioned numerous times.
With regards to state government, yes there are avenues for fiscal stimulus of deficit spending if it put more people to work "TEMPORARILY" at low wages, but the reality is that $8 billion of new permanent spending has been implemented in PA that has created these fiscal deficits, but very little economic expansion in his 7 years in office.
Where are all the other New Frontiersmen Democrats who believe in Keyens and Kennedy tax cuts and budget surpluses?
This new crew of Democrats are a complete failure and stand for very little than a neo-socialist agenda. This is not the Democratic Party I knew which stood for the working man and the middle class across races. It is an entitlement middle class that delivers entitlements to voters and then thinks they entitiled to grand lifestyles on the taxpayers dime.
Time for moderates to take back the Democratic Party. I like Obama, but he is on a Jimmy Carter pathway to a 1 term presidency unless he lucks out and there is something like 4 million jobs created in 2011-2012 election cycle. He needs to scale down his agenda and truly focus on 1 or 2 major items and deliver it without another $1 trillon budget deficit.
He may have won a mandate by his election, but he still has contraints of the pursestrings in a contracting economy where taxpayers are eventually faced with higher taxes unless federal government slims down by about $500 billion per year.
Come hell or high water, Obama is working on his leftist social engineering agenda and the economy is just getting in his way. There is so much wrong with where and how he is focusing his utopian naivete. He will eventually pay for it once the left of center, the center US citizenry, and much of the media gets their heads out from up their a-sses and stops dancing to the Obama change tune, which was an illusion with smoke and mirrors from before day one.

“Cool Logic - Burning Passion”

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#17 Jul 7, 2009
nappyrhino wrote:
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so you're saying EVERY person who may be eligible for one of these phones is a "dreg", who would have no inclination of trying to better their situation?
given the current economic climate, you don't know WHO is eligible for one. might be a neighbour of your's, might be YOU, next.
Always beware of the poster who begins their, begging the question, diatribe with "so you're saying"... they are bound to be putting words in your mouth as they skew your position...

Since: Jun 09

Englewood, CO

#18 Jul 8, 2009
StaberDearth wrote:
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Always beware of the poster who begins their, begging the question, diatribe with "so you're saying"... they are bound to be putting words in your mouth as they skew your position...
or are they asking for clarification?

if you're words are true, they can't be skewed.

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