OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, Sta...

OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

Created by CitizenTopix on Oct 11, 2010

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#35091 Jan 10, 2013
OkieAbroad wrote:
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Uhoh, baaaad idea ;).
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Why?

Only downside I see is that the armed civilian posse can become the target of the lunatic instead of the children.

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#35092 Jan 10, 2013
DistinctlyOK wrote:
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Oh, very nice. Celebrating anything in particular?
Yes, the fact that I had almost an entire bottle of it left over from Christmas! LOL

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#35093 Jan 10, 2013
DistinctlyOK wrote:
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Actually, armed police on school grounds could potentially prevent many of the problems in high-crime school zones.
What's your take? Why do you think it's a bad idea?
I don't have a problem with armed police or armed trained persons patrolling schools. Sadly there seems to be a need for such actions. My problem is with those who are not trained.. or permit holding persons doing it. I could get a permit to carry a weapon in public. But I know I don't have any business doing that. I know myself well enough to know that I am not the type of person who needs to have a gun on them at all times. And I know there are many others out there just like me. Some of them do have permits or not.. and in the state in question, you don't need a permit to have a concealed weapon. I think if these measures are made to keep people safe then they should be done correctly. And this is happening haphazard, without much thought given to the consequences of their actions. That is my only problem.

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#35094 Jan 10, 2013
WMCOL wrote:
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Why?
Only downside I see is that the armed civilian posse can become the target of the lunatic instead of the children.
I have little trust in a group of armed civilians, I would feel better if certain people within the school (teachers, principle, janitor, etc.) could be specifically trained to handle a gun and handle certain situations and then arms kept inside the school in a safe location.

Since: Jul 12

Oklahoma City, OK

#35095 Jan 10, 2013
OkieAbroad wrote:
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I don't have a problem with armed police or armed trained persons patrolling schools. Sadly there seems to be a need for such actions. My problem is with those who are not trained.. or permit holding persons doing it. I could get a permit to carry a weapon in public. But I know I don't have any business doing that. I know myself well enough to know that I am not the type of person who needs to have a gun on them at all times. And I know there are many others out there just like me. Some of them do have permits or not.. and in the state in question, you don't need a permit to have a concealed weapon. I think if these measures are made to keep people safe then they should be done correctly. And this is happening haphazard, without much thought given to the consequences of their actions. That is my only problem.
:| gotta say I agree, actually.

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#35096 Jan 10, 2013
WMCOL wrote:
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Hahaha, nice! Thanks for the link!
Elohimsokie

Broken Bow, OK

#35097 Jan 10, 2013
OkieAbroad wrote:
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I have little trust in a group of armed civilians, I would feel better if certain people within the school (teachers, principle, janitor, etc.) could be specifically trained to handle a gun and handle certain situations and then arms kept inside the school in a safe location.
I've been to alot of gun shows, no one has ever been shot or hurt in any way. I trust armed citizens.
Elohimsokie

Broken Bow, OK

#35098 Jan 10, 2013
OkieAbroad wrote:
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Keep dreaming. I'm an American, try to remember what that means and then maybe you'll know one when you see one.
True Americans believe in and support the Constitution and Bill of Rights, you don't.

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#35099 Jan 10, 2013
Elohimsokie wrote:
<quoted text>I've been to alot of gun shows, no one has ever been shot or hurt in any way. I trust armed citizens.
I've been to a few gun shows myself, I have and still do own guns. I can shoot them, clean them, and understand how they work and how to be safe with them. But a gun show isn't what we are talking about here and it has nothing to do with armed citizens patrolling schools. I haven't said anything about gun shows.
Elohimsokie

Broken Bow, OK

#35100 Jan 10, 2013
OkieAbroad wrote:
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I've been to a few gun shows myself, I have and still do own guns. I can shoot them, clean them, and understand how they work and how to be safe with them. But a gun show isn't what we are talking about here and it has nothing to do with armed citizens patrolling schools. I haven't said anything about gun shows.
Where do you think most armed citizens are at eny given time, a gun show.

Since: Jul 10

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#35101 Jan 10, 2013
OkieAbroad wrote:
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I have little trust in a group of armed civilians, I would feel better if certain people within the school (teachers, principle, janitor, etc.) could be specifically trained to handle a gun and handle certain situations and then arms kept inside the school in a safe location.
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Sheriff Apaio's plan calls for his civilian posse to undergo same training as his deputies. They will patrol outside the school but will go in if things get out of control inside.

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#35102 Jan 10, 2013
Elohimsokie wrote:
<quoted text>True Americans believe in and support the Constitution and Bill of Rights, you don't.
Your statement is untrue, unfounded and just plain silly. You don't know me. And your opinion of me is of little validity. As far as the constitutional rights to bear arms, I'm completely for it. Have never said that I was against it. Your inability to understand the difference.. well that doesn't surprise me.

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#35103 Jan 10, 2013
Elohimsokie wrote:
<quoted text>Where do you think most armed citizens are at eny given time, a gun show.
And your point is???
Elohimsokie

Broken Bow, OK

#35104 Jan 10, 2013
Justaminute wrote:
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When the stores run out of food, your little gun won't protect you. And if you had anything going for you in the smart's department you would know that.
Your grandkids are more in danger than you and it's the refusal to take global warming seriously....already we're have drought problems and severe weather in the US is our main danger.
But keep on pedaling those conspiracy theories.
If you didn't have the government subsidizing your food now you probably would have a hard time eating today. If food prices weren't kept under some kind of control now by the government many Okies would be going hungry now.
That's why none of you recognize the irony of your words.
You need the government to be totally armed and dangerous to protect you while at the same time fomenting that it is so powerful that you need your little peashooter and ammo to protect yourself from it.
I'm quite sure if you guys ever befall all the doomsday scenarios that you post about, you would croak to find yourself going up against a government out of control. Really...
All this ammo and guns ever do is kill Americans. Americans killing Americans. That's what is so sick and twisted. Fightout at the OK corral stuff. Your more dangerous to yourselves than any old terrorist. More people die of gun deaths yearly, a real 9/11 scenario happening every year by Americans gunning down Americans. More Americans in prison than any other country in the world. Like the old comic strip Pogo said 'We've seen the enemy and he is us!"
It's like a dog chasing his tail.
Its not a little gun, we live in the country with gardens, wild game and fish.

I bet you think Al Gore invented the internet.
We just got several inches of rain with more on the way. Its climate change now,not global warming. HOAX.

If our gov. is so anti gun then why have they bought 1.6 billion rds. of ammo for domistic agencys? Heres why, when the dollar crashes , and it will, they will use this ammo own citizens.

We'll see who has the smarts.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#35105 Jan 10, 2013
I am about ready to boycott the Oscars after our government "GIVES" them millions of dollars when deciding the budget thing. Like Hollywood and the people associated with Hollywood is broke!
Elohimsokie

Broken Bow, OK

#35106 Jan 10, 2013
OkieAbroad wrote:
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And your point is???
You said you don't trust armed citizes. I do. Is that to hard to understand?

Since: Jul 12

Oklahoma City, OK

#35107 Jan 10, 2013
Elohimsokie wrote:
<quoted text>You said you don't trust armed citizes. I do. Is that to hard to understand?
You assume the good nature in people, which is what happens right before a mass killing. There is a point at which you decide strictly to support or oppose gun laws, and neither is correct.
Elohimsokie

Broken Bow, OK

#35108 Jan 10, 2013
DistinctlyOK wrote:
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You assume the good nature in people, which is what happens right before a mass killing. There is a point at which you decide strictly to support or oppose gun laws, and neither is correct.
Nearly every shooter was on some kind of depression medication , why don't they go after the drug manufactors.?

B ecause theres too much money invovled.

Since: Jul 12

Oklahoma City, OK

#35109 Jan 10, 2013
Elohimsokie wrote:
<quoted text>Nearly every shooter was on some kind of depression medication,* so* why don't they go after the drug manufacturers*.?
Because* there's* too much money involved*.
They don't go after anti-depressants manufacturers because anti-depressants aren't the cause. Even mass influxes of serotonin don't send people into a maniacal rage before it kills them. Ask my wife, who's a medicated bi-polar. She hasn't shot up a school yet, dead-serious.

In fact, this is a red herring. By your logic, we should sue bumper sticker companies for creating aggressive drivers.

No, the problem is that the United States operates in a prime environment for abuse of the free market. The answer is neither to limit the market, nor is it to limit the people. Instead, the best solution to our gun dilemma is to provide stimuli that create a better market for bolt-action rifles, shotguns and low-capacity pistols. Doing this would create license astringency on guns such as UZIs, AN-94s, AK-47s and other easily-modified potential automatics. You incentivize the gun industry to make wide-scale improvements to low-probability firearms. After all, who the fuckshit will hold up a gas station with a bolt-action rifle?
Elohimsokie

Broken Bow, OK

#35110 Jan 10, 2013
DistinctlyOK wrote:
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They don't go after anti-depressants manufacturers because anti-depressants aren't the cause. Even mass influxes of serotonin don't send people into a maniacal rage before it kills them. Ask my wife, who's a medicated bi-polar. She hasn't shot up a school yet, dead-serious.
In fact, this is a red herring. By your logic, we should sue bumper sticker companies for creating aggressive drivers.
No, the problem is that the United States operates in a prime environment for abuse of the free market. The answer is neither to limit the market, nor is it to limit the people. Instead, the best solution to our gun dilemma is to provide stimuli that create a better market for bolt-action rifles, shotguns and low-capacity pistols. Doing this would create license astringency on guns such as UZIs, AN-94s, AK-47s and other easily-modified potential automatics. You incentivize the gun industry to make wide-scale improvements to low-probability firearms. After all, who the fuckshit will hold up a gas station with a bolt-action rifle?
I don't agree at all. A sawed off shotgun could kill many more than a semi-auto in a crawed room.
The 2nd amendment was for self-defence aganist a currupt gov. like we have today. Law bideing citizens should have the same weapons as the military.

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