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OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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TAMARA

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OkieAbroad wrote:
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Tamara,
My source is my common sense. The whole entire purpose of any health care system is to make health care insurance affordable and legally the responsibility of the individual. I live in the Dutch health care system, which is what Obama said he used to model his health care plan. Companies here do not pay and have no reason to pay or subsidize health insurance for their workers, because every individual here has to pay their own insurance.(people taking responsibility for themselves) Lower income families here get their health insurance subsidized by the government. Companies pay NOTHING.
Do YOU have information on Obama's healthcare plan that states otherwise?? Then I would be interested in seeing that because it makes no sense to me that companies would have to DOUBLE insure their workers.
Obama's health care plan will include the employers with a certain total of employees working for the to provide health insurance for their employees. If the employer does not then they will be fined so much each year they do not just like any individual that does not carry health insurance.. The way it stands now the government will not be the total health insurance carrier. You will be able to get health insurance thru private health insurance companies. About all the Obamacare really did as it stands now is make it illegal not to have health insurance. If you are in a certain income bracket you will get help pay for it or be put on the medicaid program. One good thing is no one can be turn down for health ins. because of pre-existing conditions. So from what you are saying I donot think our Obamacare will be like what you are talking about. You might get update info on this if you go to Obama Health care.gov .
TAMARA

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Olkie Abroad your post of 34412 and the person You posted to did not have my name in their post! As far as I am concern we have the freedom to vote for whom ever we want! If I want to vote Democrat then I do and I have and if I want to vote Republican then I do and I have!
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OkieAbroad wrote:
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Tamara,
My source is my common sense. The whole entire purpose of any health care system is to make health care insurance affordable and legally the responsibility of the individual. I live in the Dutch health care system, which is what Obama said he used to model his health care plan. Companies here do not pay and have no reason to pay or subsidize health insurance for their workers, because every individual here has to pay their own insurance.(people taking responsibility for themselves) Lower income families here get their health insurance subsidized by the government. Companies pay NOTHING.
Do YOU have information on Obama's healthcare plan that states otherwise?? Then I would be interested in seeing that because it makes no sense to me that companies would have to DOUBLE insure their workers.
How would a company be doubling insuring their employees? The employee would get their health insurance thru who they work for or opt and go out on their own and get their own health insurance. Its an either or thing.

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TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Obama's health care plan will include the employers with a certain total of employees working for the to provide health insurance for their employees. If the employer does not then they will be fined so much each year they do not just like any individual that does not carry health insurance.. The way it stands now the government will not be the total health insurance carrier. You will be able to get health insurance thru private health insurance companies. About all the Obamacare really did as it stands now is make it illegal not to have health insurance. If you are in a certain income bracket you will get help pay for it or be put on the medicaid program. One good thing is no one can be turn down for health ins. because of pre-existing conditions. So from what you are saying I donot think our Obamacare will be like what you are talking about. You might get update info on this if you go to Obama Health care.gov .
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The penalty to employers who does not insure employees is so low many will opt for the fine and employees will get their own insurance through Obama plan, thus the companies will save billions due to Obamacare.

If you were a business wouldn't you rather pay a $750 fine rather than pay $7500 to insure an employee? Same for an individual. If I had excellent health I'd much prefer paying the penalty instead of getting insurance, and when I needed coverage the plan allows me to sign up.

So mostly who is going to be insured are those in poor health, and if anything rates will go up for them as more and more healthy people choose to pay the penalty instead of getting insured, which will not generate enough to offset cost of providing coverage to the unhealthy.

So the penalty will have to at least quadruple.

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Nov 26, 2012
 
Healthy person,$65 a month penalty or $300-$500 a month for coverage. Which do you choose when you know you can sign up for coverage when you get sick, since it would be a pre-existing condition and you can't be turned down because of it.

It's like buying insurance after the house burns down that covers the house after it burns down.

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Nov 26, 2012
 
Instead of blaming Obama why don't we try to find ways to make affordable care more equitable and just for all?

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WMCOL wrote:
Instead of blaming Obama why don't we try to find ways to make affordable care more equitable and just for all?
Because the hicks don't care about affordable health care. They care about black people "getting over on them" and they care about opposing the word Democrat. That's their politics in a nutshell.

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TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Obama's health care plan will include the employers with a certain total of employees working for the to provide health insurance for their employees. If the employer does not then they will be fined so much each year they do not just like any individual that does not carry health insurance.. The way it stands now the government will not be the total health insurance carrier. You will be able to get health insurance thru private health insurance companies. About all the Obamacare really did as it stands now is make it illegal not to have health insurance. If you are in a certain income bracket you will get help pay for it or be put on the medicaid program. One good thing is no one can be turn down for health ins. because of pre-existing conditions. So from what you are saying I donot think our Obamacare will be like what you are talking about. You might get update info on this if you go to Obama Health care.gov .
What is hilarious about this post is that Tamara is a 70 year okie hick who knows very little about much of anything. And here she posts as though she were a Rhodes Scholar doing a dissertation. Can you say cut and paste? After all her husband IS an insurance agent.

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OkieAbroad wrote:
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Tamara,
My source is my common sense. The whole entire purpose of any health care system is to make health care insurance affordable and legally the responsibility of the individual. I live in the Dutch health care system, which is what Obama said he used to model his health care plan. Companies here do not pay and have no reason to pay or subsidize health insurance for their workers, because every individual here has to pay their own insurance.(people taking responsibility for themselves) Lower income families here get their health insurance subsidized by the government. Companies pay NOTHING.
Do YOU have information on Obama's healthcare plan that states otherwise?? Then I would be interested in seeing that because it makes no sense to me that companies would have to DOUBLE insure their workers.
She doesn't want to hear that. 1.) She's old and this is a very common trait among the old. OPPOSE CHANGE! ANY CHANGE!. 2.) She's a low information hick. 3.) She's in Oklahoma which thinks opposing everything put forth by a Democrat is sufficient grounds for doing so simply because of the word Democrat. 4.) She's lived her entire adult life off the parasitic insurance industry.

You're beating a dead horse.
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Nov 26, 2012
 
WMCOL wrote:
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The penalty to employers who does not insure employees is so low many will opt for the fine and employees will get their own insurance through Obama plan, thus the companies will save billions due to Obamacare.
If you were a business wouldn't you rather pay a $750 fine rather than pay $7500 to insure an employee? Same for an individual. If I had excellent health I'd much prefer paying the penalty instead of getting insurance, and when I needed coverage the plan allows me to sign up.
So mostly who is going to be insured are those in poor health, and if anything rates will go up for them as more and more healthy people choose to pay the penalty instead of getting insured, which will not generate enough to offset cost of providing coverage to the unhealthy.
So the penalty will have to at least quadruple.
The fine is more like $2000.00 per employee. Funny how you just make stuff up all the time!

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Dana wrote:
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The fine is more like $2000.00 per employee. Funny how you just make stuff up all the time!
You bubba. Subtract 2,000.00 from 7,5000 and the difference would be what? About a 5,500.00 net gain for the employer to refuse health care to an employee. Right? BTW nice pig you have there. Family or just dating?

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Dana wrote:
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The fine is more like $2000.00 per employee. Funny how you just make stuff up all the time!
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Funny how you never know what are credible facts.

The penalty proposed for not having healthcare is $695 per person but not more than $2,085.

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Even at high end of penalty a business owner could save $5000 a year by paying penalty instead of insuring an employee. A $2000 cost of doing business is much more attractive than a $7500 cost of doing business.

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DustyOutlaw wrote:
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You bubba. Subtract 2,000.00 from 7,5000 and the difference would be what? About a 5,500.00 net gain for the employer to refuse health care to an employee. Right? BTW nice pig you have there. Family or just dating?
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Everytime they stick their foot in their mouth they change their names and it is often.

Seems it would be a lot easier for them to just wise up, but no such luck. Same old hicks, different name.

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WMCOL wrote:
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Everytime they stick their foot in their mouth they change their names and it is often.
Seems it would be a lot easier for them to just wise up, but no such luck. Same old hicks, different name.
These people are so stupid that if Hitler was running in Oklahoma for President as a Republican and Jesus Christ was running as a Democrat they would go 77 counties for Hitler. These are some dregs of society hicks.
TAMARA

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WMCOL wrote:
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The penalty to employers who does not insure employees is so low many will opt for the fine and employees will get their own insurance through Obama plan, thus the companies will save billions due to Obamacare.
If you were a business wouldn't you rather pay a $750 fine rather than pay $7500 to insure an employee? Same for an individual. If I had excellent health I'd much prefer paying the penalty instead of getting insurance, and when I needed coverage the plan allows me to sign up.
So mostly who is going to be insured are those in poor health, and if anything rates will go up for them as more and more healthy people choose to pay the penalty instead of getting insured, which will not generate enough to offset cost of providing coverage to the unhealthy.
So the penalty will have to at least quadruple.
I was not arguing whether Obamacare was a good or bad thing for empolyee or employer. I stated the fact that in some cases if employers do the right thing they will provide health ins.
TAMARA

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DustyOutlaw wrote:
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She doesn't want to hear that. 1.) She's old and this is a very common trait among the old. OPPOSE CHANGE! ANY CHANGE!. 2.) She's a low information hick. 3.) She's in Oklahoma which thinks opposing everything put forth by a Democrat is sufficient grounds for doing so simply because of the word Democrat. 4.) She's lived her entire adult life off the parasitic insurance industry.
You're beating a dead horse.
Hey STUPID stating facts are not arguing or disagreeing!. So OLD MAN and I mean being 5 years younger than me does not make you a spring chicken. It just goes to show you want to argue with me over ever little thing I post. YOU are BORING!
TAMARA

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DustyOutlaw wrote:
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What is hilarious about this post is that Tamara is a 70 year okie hick who knows very little about much of anything. And here she posts as though she were a Rhodes Scholar doing a dissertation. Can you say cut and paste? After all her husband IS an insurance agent.
Will Dusty Boy cut and paste a prove what I said was wrong.

Now so everyone knows and Dusty does not have to keep repeating this over and over. I was born in Oklahoma left Oklahoma before I was a year old. Move back to Okla. 1960. Married and had 3 boys. And yes my husband was an insurance agent that sold property and auto insurance. He did not sell health insurance! We went out on the open market and bought our health insurance just like people that buy their own. Which if you work for a company like most do you get it thru your job and most never pay the full amount of the premium. Now Dusty Boy grow up!
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DustyOutlaw wrote:
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She doesn't want to hear that. 1.) She's old and this is a very common trait among the old. OPPOSE CHANGE! ANY CHANGE!. 2.) She's a low information hick. 3.) She's in Oklahoma which thinks opposing everything put forth by a Democrat is sufficient grounds for doing so simply because of the word Democrat. 4.) She's lived her entire adult life off the parasitic insurance industry.
You're beating a dead horse.
Where is Obamacare getting the Health insurance for people they will be helping? What is government funded by taxpayers is the premiums that the government will be paying to help these people out!

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TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>I was not arguing whether Obamacare was a good or bad thing for empolyee or employer. I stated the fact that in some cases if employers do the right thing they will provide health ins.
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No, Okieabroad indicated Obamacare would be a good thing and you said to her, "So from what you are saying I donot think our Obamacare will be like what you are talking", but as it is now you would be wrong.

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