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Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

There are 52086 comments on the CBS2 story from Nov 30, 2010, titled Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions. In it, CBS2 reports that:

The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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“Free to buy cake”

Since: Jul 07

wherever I like.

#35485 Sep 10, 2012
OldTimer JOE wrote:
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The devil must be very pleased with all the gay rubbing and bumping in the tub.
No wonder you dislike gay sex; you've been doing it in the tub.
Orgasmatron

Calvert City, KY

#35486 Sep 10, 2012
Hetero wrote:
<quoted text>
Anal sex is demeaning my wife's ass (pun intended). I've been married to the same woman for over 30 years in a totally monogamous relationship and, I can assure you, her orgasmic intensity is often greater with anal than with vaginal. She also immensely enjoys the occasional rim job I give her.
Sounds like this guy has a handle on things, as well as a satisfied wife!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#35487 Sep 10, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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We do know, despite your belief to the contrary, it is the relationship between the parent and child that best determines success, not the gender of the parents. We also know children adopted early in life have an equal chance of doing as well as biological children.("drug babies" excepted) We further know adopted children do better than children left in institutional settings. And again, reality tells us there are around 100,000 more children in need of parents every year in the US alone than there are homes that want them.
Whether through adoption or assisted reproduction, parents who are highly motivated to actually be parents have the highest rates of success, regardless of gender. Your prejudice fails to provide any scientific justification or legitimate governmental interest sufficient to deny equal treatment under the law as required by the constitution.
"We know" no such thing.

And you have no valid proof of any such thing.

You negate the power of blood relations.

You equate duplicate genders with diverse in raising a child.

You ignore the higher risk rates for substitute parents.

The list goes on.

The idiocy of such claims boggles even a simple mind and angers any moral person.

You are willing to harm a child to pursue the farce of 'equal treatment' of unequal relationships.

Despicable.
your face

Grand Prairie, TX

#35489 Sep 10, 2012
Padre Donald wrote:
I will pray for the gay people and hope that God can heal them from there horrible mental illnesses.
Amen.
padre donald you crack me up. Does having 2 degrees mean I have a mental illness? I'm gay and a graduate and im going for a double masters. If you don't like gay people well don't be with a gay. I'm not sitting here telling you how to live your life nor do I want to. So sit back let me live and shut your freaking face cause no one wants to hear words from a bigot.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#35491 Sep 10, 2012
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
"We know" no such thing.
And you have no valid proof of any such thing.
You negate the power of blood relations.
You equate duplicate genders with diverse in raising a child.
You ignore the higher risk rates for substitute parents.
The list goes on.
The idiocy of such claims boggles even a simple mind and angers any moral person.
You are willing to harm a child to pursue the farce of 'equal treatment' of unequal relationships.
Despicable.
Your abusive personal insults fail to change the fact science has demonstrated it is the relationship between the parents and child that determines successful outcome, not the gender of the parents:

"Unfortunately, many people are not aware of the three decades of research showing that children of gay or lesbian parents are just as mentally healthy as children with heterosexual parents, notes Cerbone.

Children of gay and lesbian parents reported closer ties with their schools and classmates.

Patterson's and others' findings that good parenting, not a parent's sexual orientation, leads to mentally healthy children may not surprise many psychologists. What may be more surprising is the finding that children of same-sex couples seem to be thriving, though they live in a world that is often unaccepting of their parents."

http://www.apa.org/monitor/dec05/kids.aspx

"In summary, social science has shown that the concerns often raised about children of lesbian and gay parents' concerns that are generally grounded in prejudice against and stereotypes about gay people' are unfounded. Overall, the research indicates that the children of lesbian and gay parents do not differ markedly from the children of heterosexual parents in their development, adjustment, or overall well-being."

http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/orientati...

And two more that found they are just as good if not better:

"Overall, studies indicate that children raised with lesbian co-parents do just as well as children raised by heterosexual married couples. The children of lesbian co-parents may even have fewer behavioral problems and higher self-esteem." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35124737/ns/healt...

"Parenting by same-sex families is just as good -- if not slightly advantageous -- for children when compared to heterosexual families, a Justice Department study has concluded." http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story....

Hawaii Supreme Court testimony by those opposed to marriage equality:
"Dr Eggebeen (witness against marriage equality) also conceded that "gay and lesbian couples can , and do, make excellent parents" "that they are capable of raising a healthy child", and "that children of same sex couples would be helped if their families had access to or were able to receive benefits of marriage".

Dr. Charlotte Patterson: there was "no data or research which establishes that gay fathers and lesbian mothers are less capable of being good parents than non-gay people.

Dr. David Brodzinsky: The issue is not the structural variable, biological versus nonbiological, one parent versus two parent. The issue is really the process variables, how children are cared for, is the child provided warmth, it the child provided consistency of care, is the child provided a stimulated environment, is the e child given support.... and when you take a look at structural variables, there's not all that much support that structural variable in and of themselves are all that important.

Dr. Pepper Shwartz: "the primary quality of parenting is not the parenting structure, or biology, but is the nurturing relationship between parent and child."

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#35492 Sep 10, 2012
The fact that children can do as well with same sex parents does not "negate the power of blood relationships". It only shows that is not the only relationship that can be valuable and result in success.

"But even if Congress believed at the time of DOMA's passage that children had the best chance at success if raised jointly by their biological mothers and fathers, a desire to encourage heterosexual couples to procreate and rear their own children more responsibly would not provide a rational basis for denying federal recognition to same-sex marriages. Such denial does nothing to promote stability in heterosexual parenting. Rather, it "prevents children of same-sex couples from enjoying the immeasurable advantages that flow from the assurance of a stable family structure, when afforded equal recognition under federal law." (Gill)

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#35493 Sep 10, 2012
While true that step parents who have no biological connection as well as no emotional connection to a child have a higher rate of abuse and rejection of the child with expected harmful effects, the research has shown that adoptive parents provide nurturing environments that are at least equal to biological parents. Your desire to demean adoptive parents by equating them to abusive step parents is scientifically unsupportable. Not all "substitute" parents are rejecting and abusive. Yet again, we do not deny marriage to step parents even though they represent the highest risk for child abuse.

The reality is, gay people have always been raising children and that will continue. It is you who is willing and attempting to harm those children by refusing to treat them as you would yourself. Harming others needlessly is immoral. The irrational prejudice you promote results in needless suffering and death.

“Free to buy cake”

Since: Jul 07

wherever I like.

#35494 Sep 10, 2012
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>

You equate duplicate genders with diverse in raising a child.
Munt says what?

“Free to buy cake”

Since: Jul 07

wherever I like.

#35495 Sep 10, 2012
Padre Donald wrote:
I will pray for the gay people and hope that God can heal them from there horrible mental illnesses.
Amen.
God created us, as we are. We don't need healing. While you're praying, ask him for understanding and tolerance.
Leader of the Pack

AOL

#35496 Sep 10, 2012
Marengo Jon wrote:
<quoted text>
God created us, as we are. We don't need healing. While you're praying, ask him for understanding and tolerance.
Amen!
Leader of the Pack

AOL

#35497 Sep 10, 2012
A little off topic, but did any one see the preview for The New Normal tonight? Ellen Barkin must have been reading Topix to study for her character...I haven't laughed that much in a long time.
your face

Grand Prairie, TX

#35498 Sep 10, 2012
Leader of the Pack wrote:
A little off topic, but did any one see the preview for The New Normal tonight? Ellen Barkin must have been reading Topix to study for her character...I haven't laughed that much in a long time.
I wanna see it so bad. It looks hilarious
DaveC

Milton, WV

#35499 Sep 11, 2012
I don't know about that

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#35500 Sep 11, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
Your abusive personal insults fail to change the fact science has demonstrated it is the relationship between the parents and child that determines successful outcome, not the gender of the parents:
"Unfortunately, many people are not aware of the three decades of research showing that children of gay or lesbian parents are just as mentally healthy as children with heterosexual parents, notes Cerbone.
Children of gay and lesbian parents reported closer ties with their schools and classmates.
Patterson's and others' findings that good parenting, not a parent's sexual orientation, leads to mentally healthy children may not surprise many psychologists. What may be more surprising is the finding that children of same-sex couples seem to be thriving, though they live in a world that is often unaccepting of their parents."
http://www.apa.org/monitor/dec05/kids.aspx
"In summary, social science has shown that the concerns often raised about children of lesbian and gay parents' concerns that are generally grounded in prejudice against and stereotypes about gay people' are unfounded. Overall, the research indicates that the children of lesbian and gay parents do not differ markedly from the children of heterosexual parents in their development, adjustment, or overall well-being."
http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/orientati...
And two more that found they are just as good if not better:
"Overall, studies indicate that children raised with lesbian co-parents do just as well as children raised by heterosexual married couples. The children of lesbian co-parents may even have fewer behavioral problems and higher self-esteem." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35124737/ns/healt...
"Parenting by same-sex families is just as good -- if not slightly advantageous -- for children when compared to heterosexual families, a Justice Department study has concluded." http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story....
Hawaii Supreme Court testimony by those opposed to marriage equality:
"Dr Eggebeen (witness against marriage equality) also conceded that "gay and lesbian couples can , and do, make excellent parents" "that they are capable of raising a healthy child", and "that children of same sex couples would be helped if their families had access to or were able to receive benefits of marriage".
Dr. Charlotte Patterson: there was "no data or research which establishes that gay fathers and lesbian mothers are less capable of being good parents than non-gay people.
Dr. David Brodzinsky: The issue is not the structural variable, biological versus nonbiological, one parent versus two parent. The issue is really the process variables, how children are cared for, is the child provided warmth, it the child provided consistency of care, is the child provided a stimulated environment, is the e child given support.... and when you take a look at structural variables, there's not all that much support that structural variable in and of themselves are all that important.
Dr. Pepper Shwartz: "the primary quality of parenting is not the parenting structure, or biology, but is the nurturing relationship between parent and child."
Please show the specific studies and their research methods.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#35501 Sep 11, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
The fact that children can do as well with same sex parents does not "negate the power of blood relationships". It only shows that is not the only relationship that can be valuable and result in success.
"But even if Congress believed at the time of DOMA's passage that children had the best chance at success if raised jointly by their biological mothers and fathers, a desire to encourage heterosexual couples to procreate and rear their own children more responsibly would not provide a rational basis for denying federal recognition to same-sex marriages. Such denial does nothing to promote stability in heterosexual parenting. Rather, it "prevents children of same-sex couples from enjoying the immeasurable advantages that flow from the assurance of a stable family structure, when afforded equal recognition under federal law." (Gill)
You know that the studies you are basing your assertions on are invalidated as having sample sizes too small, study periods too short and research methods that were clearly unscientific.
You negate blood relations by equating them with a relationship that duplicates one gender, eliminates another and is absent at least one biological parent.
truth behind it all

United States

#35503 Sep 11, 2012
Grumpy old Man wrote:
God did not give men penises and women vaginas for people to be gay.
God did this for a purpose and Homosexuality goes against the Lords purpose.
he only did it for reproduction and that was his only purpose. And god didn't make buttholes just for pooping :)

Since: Feb 11

Reality

#35504 Sep 11, 2012
Grumpy old Man wrote:
God did not give men penises and women vaginas for people to be gay.
God did this for a purpose and Homosexuality goes against the Lords purpose.
I agree. I go by what my Bible tells me. people can accept it or not. It's on them, ultimately.

Leviticus 20:13

13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
truth behind it all

United States

#35505 Sep 11, 2012
Nia_ wrote:
<quoted text>I agree. I go by what my Bible tells me. people can accept it or not. It's on them, ultimately.

Leviticus 20:13

13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
do you listen to everything the "bible" tells you?

Since: Feb 11

Reality

#35506 Sep 11, 2012
truth behind it all wrote:
<quoted text>do you listen to everything the "bible" tells you?
I will follow the Bible before listening to you.
truth behind it all

United States

#35507 Sep 11, 2012
Nia_ wrote:
<quoted text>I will follow the Bible before listening to you.
I'm not here to insult you nor should you insult me. God wouldn't want that. Now, do you have children?

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