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Eric Thornquist

United States

#1 Apr 19, 2012
Why arent the citizens of Cairo allowed to speak at city council meetings? "time restraints, and city business will not allow for the City Council meetings to be public forums." -Tyrone Coleman. I do so believe that is called censorship :) missed you Cairo, oh how very ignorant you have become my love.
2funny

Cairo, IL

#2 Apr 19, 2012
the old way to speak at cairo city council meetings was to request time to speak at least 24(might be 48) hours ahead of the meeting. that way the city clerk could fit you into the agenda.

if you've got something to say, you might try that,'cause city officials don't like surprises. that's what my grandpa'd tell ya.
1958cairo

United States

#3 Apr 19, 2012
2funny wrote:
the old way to speak at cairo city council meetings was to request time to speak at least 24(might be 48) hours ahead of the meeting. that way the city clerk could fit you into the agenda.
if you've got something to say, you might try that,'cause city officials don't like surprises. that's what my grandpa'd tell ya.
He's referring to the letter I got today from the Mayor, denying my request to speak at the Council Meeting next week.(In 7 years here, it was my first request to speak.) I believe two others, asking to speak about the police DEPARTMENT (not individual officers), were also denied.

I think my request wasn't written well enough. I was in a hurry and could have worded it better. For the first part anyway. I stated that I'd like to address two topics: the proposed gambling parlors and the police department.

Instead of stating that I wanted to give printouts to the council members to take home & study, I said,'hand out fliers.' I'm guessing the mayor thought I was going to stand on the curb passing out anti-gambling leaflets:D

I figured that since the citizens would hear much positive spin about gambling from those who want the parlors, I wanted to give the Council Members some articles & research that I printed off the internet. Eg. Examples of cities in which gambling harmed the communities. For added balance. I was hoping the Council Members would read the 4-5 pages, at their leisure.

I'm assuming the Mayor and Council will share the pros & cons of gambling with the public, and ask for citizen feedback, before voting on the parlors & liquor licenses.

Regarding the police department, the letter is confusing. I'll reread the letter tomorrow & comment on it. We're only allowed 3 minutes to speak at a City Council meeting, so the "time constraints" issue is moot. Unless the mayor thinks 3 minutes is already too long:)
FYI

Cairo, IL

#4 Apr 20, 2012
You can do at least 16 typed lines in a minute. if you practice. That gives you 48 lines. Should be able to write up a pretty nice little speech with that. Use the last line to ask for questions.
FYI

Cairo, IL

#5 Apr 20, 2012
However, don't you think there will be a lot of negative publicity coming from the pulpits and from families who have suffered because of gamblers? That is what happened previously.
1958cairo

United States

#6 Apr 20, 2012
@FYI: I already received the letter saying the request to speak was denied.

Do they get THAT many speakers at the Council Meetings, that they felt the need to deny another?

I know, I have to start attending the meetings. I will try:)

Hmm... maybe I'll just scan the letter & link to it... tomorrow. It's late. Goodnight:)
1958cairo

United States

#7 Apr 20, 2012
FYI wrote:
However, don't you think there will be a lot of negative publicity coming from the pulpits and from families who have suffered because of gamblers? That is what happened previously.
I don't know. Didn't live here then. There has been much talk on the streets about a strip club coming to Cairo. I first heard about that. Then when I read in the Citizen about gambling parlors, I knew I better get involved. Do my part, at least.

Gambling, more liquor licenses & strip clubs are completely opposite from my vision for the future of Cairo.

Has anyone tried workshops for the citizens to discuss cottage industries? I still want a bike route to the Point!

Talk to you tomorrow.
ohforcryingoutlo ud

Mounds, IL

#8 Apr 20, 2012
1958cairo wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know. Didn't live here then. There has been much talk on the streets about a strip club coming to Cairo. I first heard about that. Then when I read in the Citizen about gambling parlors, I knew I better get involved. Do my part, at least.
Gambling, more liquor licenses & strip clubs are completely opposite from my vision for the future of Cairo.
Has anyone tried workshops for the citizens to discuss cottage industries? I still want a bike route to the Point!
Talk to you tomorrow.
Cottage industries and a bike route. Really? At this point in Cairo's life, as it is on life support? This info just came out a few days ago...

http://money.msn.com/family-money/the-poorest...
Illinois' poorest county: Alexander
Poverty rate: 31.1%
Poverty rate of residents under 18: 49%
Median household income:$29,278
Bordering Missouri and Kentucky, Alexander County is on the poorer half of our list, but not by much. The county's percentage of children in poverty is rather high, but Alexander sticks out statistically because of its high percentage of businesses owned by women. According to the census, 43.1% of businesses in Alexander county are owned by women, a number that's significantly higher than the state average of 30.5% or the national average of 28.8%

Reality is reality; pipe dreams and rose colored glasses has done absolutely nothing for Cairo. Million$ of taxpayer dollars spent on flowers, refurbing buildings only the locals have any interest in, building clock towers to get knocked down, old theaters that never reopened, etc. etc. etc. What did it get you? N-O-T-H-I-N-G!

Cairo could have been rolling in the money that Metropolis has been rolling in over the past what, 20 years. THAT IS WHEN you could have put in your "cottage business' and bike trails" and they would have generated income/taxes/trade. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. The bible-thumpers said they didn't want that "evil" in their city. Well, you got what you asked for...! You have 5 times as many out of work people, 10 times the abandoned properties, crime UP, welfare UP, maintance in around the city way down, number of businesses operating in the city down drasticly, etc. etc. etc. How do you like what the bible thumpers have done with your city so far? I don't think your churches care enough to even operate a soup kitchen to help feed those they were claiming to protect from the "evil"...not even once a month. Reality IS reality, PERIOD.

WHAT do you NOT get about the factual statement "This area is BROKE! NO MONEY! NO JOBS! NO PROSPECTS!"? It's insane to actually think that a dozen , much less one or two "cottage industries" are going to generate sustainable profits in an area that does NOT HAVE JOBS/INCOMES.
"Outsiders" MUST be present and SPENDING MONEY day in/day out in order to continuously "administer" any "life support", much less "cure" for Cairo, do you not agree?

I don't have a solution nor a suggestion on how to save Cairo. But I do know that $millionS have been dumped & wasted on Cairo over the past 2 decades and it has produced NO GAINS, NO STOPPING the slow bleed-out of Cairo. You...have...run...out...of... time! Nothing short of a drastic, mega-huge move now with stop the death of Cairo, mark...my...words.
Oh my

United States

#9 Apr 20, 2012
Since LBJ trillions have been spent on the so called war on poverty, and what do you have to show for it,
1958cairo

United States

#10 Apr 20, 2012
>>>Million$ of taxpayer dollars spent on flowers, refurbing buildings only the locals have any interest in, building clock towers to get knocked down, old theaters that never reopened, etc. etc. etc. What did it get you? N-O-T-H-I-N-G!
That grant money was spent before I moved here, 7 years ago.
The economy around the world is in terrible shape, including the U.S. economy. It's the worst it has been since the Great Depression, so of course the poorest folks & poorest towns are going to feel it first.
Few jobs, and wages so low that the masses can't stimulate the economy. Same thing happened during the Great Depression. Wages were too low for the citizens to purchase the products they were producing.
The C.I.A.'s website says that only those in the top 20% of wage earners have benefitted economically, since 1975.
Yes, Cairo & Alexander county are broke, so cottage industries could help. They wouldn't hurt;)
A bike path is just a dream, since the State of Illinois is also broke.
Gambling, liquor licenses & strip clubs are not the answer. It took MANY years for Cairo to reach the point she is at. It will take at least as many years for her to revive.
I've seen improvement in Cairo since moving here. Not so much during the first few years.
Cities are hurting across the U.S. & politicians are still going for quick fixes, like gambling:(
If people are spending their $$ on gambling, they will not be spending it at Shemwell's, Macks, New Diner, Chris', CPU Hardware, Dollar General and whatever else is left here.
Outsiders won't come to Cairo to gamble, because they can go to bigger cities for that... just an hour away. So, it'll be the locals gambling. Harrah's website says gambling only benefits communities when it is a "destination location" like Vegas.
Do you think people from across Southern Illinois will flock to Cairo to use video gambling machines? They won't. It'll be locals gambling/drinking & there will be illegal gambling going on as well.
I hope the talk of a strip club is just rumor. That thought is especially depressing, as it would mean our politicians gave up on Cairo.
1958cairo

United States

#11 Apr 20, 2012
Eh... should have used the quote button. The first paragraph above is a quote from someone's post.
1958cairo

United States

#12 Apr 20, 2012
ohforcryingoutloud wrote:
<quoted text>

Cairo could have been rolling in the money that Metropolis has been rolling in over the past what, 20 years.
Metropolis has Paducah across the river. We have Wickliffe.

Which came first? Paducah or the casino?
FYI

Cairo, IL

#13 Apr 20, 2012
ohforcryingoutloud wrote:
<quoted text>
Cottage industries and a bike route. Really? At this point in Cairo's life, as it is on life support? This info just came out a few days ago...
I don't have a solution nor a suggestion on how to save Cairo. But I do know that $millionS have been dumped & wasted on Cairo over the past 2 decades and it has produced NO GAINS, NO STOPPING the slow bleed-out of Cairo. You...have...run...out...of... time! Nothing short of a drastic, mega-huge move now with stop the death of Cairo, mark...my...words.
Cottage industries are high on the list of income producers in a lot of places and sometimes grow into out and out factories. Don't knock them until you've given them a chance. Bike routes are doubtable but do bring in people who spread good tidings of the area if they are handled professionally.

I don't have a problem with well-done classy casinos connected to supper clubs and decent entertainment. Some people do. Strip joints don't seem to bring in much in the way of new residents. or complementary businesses that could be considered an attribute to the town. East Cape might be an example.

You say we must do something drastic...perhaps that is the problem. We've been doing the drastic (pouring money down a hole); maybe it's time we do something practical.

Since: May 11

Cairo, Illinois

#14 Apr 21, 2012
>>>Strip joints don't seem to bring in much in the way of new residents. or complementary businesses that could be considered an attribute to the town. East Cape might be an example.

East Cape is a perfect example. That's a location that could have become a bedroom community for Cape. The strip clubs prevented any future growth for East Cape:(
Oh my

Maryland Heights, MO

#15 Apr 21, 2012
Along with the many years of corrupt and imcompetent government

Since: May 11

Cairo, Illinois

#16 Apr 22, 2012
Reposting from the Gambling Parlors & More liquor thread:

The other issue is censorship by the City Council. On the Visitor Request Form, it states:

"TIME RESTRAINTS AND CITY BUSINESS WILL NOT ALLOW FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS TO BE PUBLIC FORUMS. PLEASE TAKE YOUR CONCERNS TO THE MAYOR OR YOUR COMMISSIONER BEFORE REQUESTING TO APPEAR BEFORE THE COUNCIL."

Yes, it's in caps;)

I don't know why I wasn't allowed to speak about the proposed gambling parlors & liquor licenses, but I'll resubmit a request stating that I won't hand out printed papers to the council. Just speak.

Regarding the Police Department, I filed a complaint with the Mayor's Office about an officer & spoke with the mayor about incidents & police conduct. Also spoke with three council members about incidents involving the police department. In the denial letter, it said that the city has done all it could & now it's up to our State's Attorney.

Thing is, the city did not do all it could. If the officers do not fill out police reports, or do not investigate a crime, then the point about the State's Attorney is moot.

Also, how do we know if ANYTHING is being done about alleged abuses by an officer? There's no feedback.

The police department has improved since I moved here, but there are still abuses going on. The department recently lost a couple good officers. Maybe the pay is too low to keep good ones. I heard starting pay is not much above minimum wage:(

Years ago I knew about the censorship clause on the request form, but I was surprised it's still there. Not a public forum=/

That needs to change. They need more citizen involvement, not less.
Oh my

Fayetteville, AR

#17 Apr 22, 2012
Options contact state police ,justice dept, media and so on

Since: May 11

Cairo, Illinois

#18 Apr 22, 2012
Oh my wrote:
Options contact state police ,justice dept, media and so on
I contacted the State Police in Springfield, the Attorney General's office in Chicago (they helped me) and one Senator. The Senator sent a form to fill out. Haven't returned it yet. Just got it last week.

I'm finally getting some help, but am disappointed by the lack of transparency at City Hall (re the complaint process) and by the blatant censorship of the citizens (when requesting to speak to the Council).
MAD DOG SULLIVAN

Mexico, MO

#19 Apr 22, 2012
1958cairo wrote:
Reposting from the Gambling Parlors & More liquor thread:
The other issue is censorship by the City Council. On the Visitor Request Form, it states:
"TIME RESTRAINTS AND CITY BUSINESS WILL NOT ALLOW FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS TO BE PUBLIC FORUMS. PLEASE TAKE YOUR CONCERNS TO THE MAYOR OR YOUR COMMISSIONER BEFORE REQUESTING TO APPEAR BEFORE THE COUNCIL."
Yes, it's in caps;)
I don't know why I wasn't allowed to speak about the proposed gambling parlors & liquor licenses, but I'll resubmit a request stating that I won't hand out printed papers to the council. Just speak.
Regarding the Police Department, I filed a complaint with the Mayor's Office about an officer & spoke with the mayor about incidents & police conduct. Also spoke with three council members about incidents involving the police department. In the denial letter, it said that the city has done all it could & now it's up to our State's Attorney.
Thing is, the city did not do all it could. If the officers do not fill out police reports, or do not investigate a crime, then the point about the State's Attorney is moot.
Also, how do we know if ANYTHING is being done about alleged abuses by an officer? There's no feedback.
The police department has improved since I moved here, but there are still abuses going on. The department recently lost a couple good officers. Maybe the pay is too low to keep good ones. I heard starting pay is not much above minimum wage:(
Years ago I knew about the censorship clause on the request form, but I was surprised it's still there. Not a public forum=/
That needs to change. They need more citizen involvement, not less.
Let cairo fall in the river please.
deputy dog

Olive Branch, IL

#20 Apr 23, 2012
1958cairo wrote:
>>>Strip joints don't seem to bring in much in the way of new residents. or complementary businesses that could be considered an attribute to the town. East Cape might be an example.
East Cape is a perfect example. That's a location that could have become a bedroom community for Cape. The strip clubs prevented any future growth for East Cape:(
actually just Another question of not knowing what you are talking about. Being 14 feet below flood plain stopped all the construciton in EC almost 25 years ago.

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