Original Sin & Infant Baptism

[Heath]

"There you go making it about yourself and what YOU can do to save. Do you think you have the ability to save yourself?" CB Katherine said.

1 Tim 4:16
Take heed to yourself and to the DOCTRINE. Continue in them, for in doing this YOU WILL SAVE BOTH YOURSELF and those who hear you.

Sooooo easy. ;)

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[Katherine]

Heath wrote:

"There you go making it about yourself and what YOU can do to save. Do you think you have the ability to save yourself?" CB Katherine said.
1 Tim 4:16
Take heed to yourself and to the DOCTRINE. Continue in them, for in doing this YOU WILL SAVE BOTH YOURSELF and those who hear you.
Sooooo easy. ;)
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Heath, I am going to try this once again. READ IT!!! You cannot save yourself-you are playing God. Do you think you are God?...

Wrong AGAIN, Heath. There you go making it about yourself and what YOU can do to save. Do you think you have the ability to save yourself? News flash: YOU DO NOT. Only God saves-plain and simple.

Here save has the meaning of "rescue"; no one can save himself or others eternally-we simply do not have that power.

I stand by what I said-doctrine will not save you like God can save. NOTHING on earth you do can do that-no matter how badly you want it to. There will be PLENTY of people in heaven that you have condemned on earth, but luckily for them-you don't have that power! You are simply wasting your time condemning others while you COULD be showing them the LOVE of Christ. Like I have said before, you will be held accountable for those actions. Though you have to have a very hardened heart to stand in a pulpit before and after you ridicule, mock, slander, and twist what people are saying in an ATTEMPT to make you look better. It keeps backfiring on you.

If only you would fully embrace the love and grace of Christ-what a completely different person we would see here.

[Katherine]

"save" here does not mean the same thing as literally saving your from damnation-which is what God can do. WE, as humans, DO NOT have this power.

You are a walking contradiction-you admitted that we are saved by grace through faith, but then you say this. Which is it, Heath?

[freedom88]

william wrote:

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Freedom?

I am here william sorry sundays are my short days go to church morning..bible study then preaching.......... and also have a night service....just have time to come home have lunch rest for a while then its back to service....

you know not everyone is as blessed as i am, we also have service on wed, its awesome to have service 3 times a week....

[Heath]

Katherine wrote:

"save" here does not mean the same thing as literally saving your from damnation-which is what God can do. WE, as humans, DO NOT have this power.
You are a walking contradiction-you admitted that we are saved by grace through faith, but then you say this. Which is it, Heath?

Ooooooohhhhh LOL- now Katherine wants to redefine the word "save" to fit her false doctrine. Let's put it to the test.

NT:4982 "Save" soozoo-
to save, to keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction
(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon)

1 Tim 4:16
"Thou shalt save" - sooseis. Future active of soozoo, effective future, finally save. Compare 1 Cor 9:27; John 10:9.
(from Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament)

1 Tim 4:16
[For in doing this thou shalt both save thyself] By holding of the truth, and by the faithful performance of your duties, you will secure the salvation of the soul. We are not to suppose that the apostle meant to teach that this would be the meritorious cause of his salvation, but that these faithful labors would be regarded as an evidence of piety, and would be accepted as such. It is equivalent to saying, that an unfaithful minister of the gospel cannot be saved; one who faithfully performs all the duties of that office with a right spirit, will be.
(from Barnes' Notes)

Keep trying CB Katherine, keep trying. ;)

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[william]

Heath. Strike 3, you're out.
You are intentionally misinterpreting again.
You really ARE a desperate man, to have to twist so many posts from so many people.

[william]

Heath "saves himself". Film at 11:00
Has no need for a Savior at all, because he's doin' it.
The cross? Heath doesn't need that either. He's saving himself by doctrine and good works.
The empty tomb? Another thing Heath doesn't need. Heath's got it all handled all by himself, thank you very much...

[PS23LAH]

Heath wrote:

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LAH runs once again. Typical. When the going gets tough...
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:)

[Katherine]

Heath wrote:

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Ooooooohhhhh LOL- now Katherine wants to redefine the word "save" to fit her false doctrine. Let's put it to the test.
NT:4982 "Save" soozoo-
to save, to keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction
(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon)
1 Tim 4:16
"Thou shalt save" - sooseis. Future active of soozoo, effective future, finally save. Compare 1 Cor 9:27; John 10:9.
(from Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament)
1 Tim 4:16
[For in doing this thou shalt both save thyself] By holding of the truth, and by the faithful performance of your duties, you will secure the salvation of the soul. We are not to suppose that the apostle meant to teach that this would be the meritorious cause of his salvation, but that these faithful labors would be regarded as an evidence of piety, and would be accepted as such. It is equivalent to saying, that an unfaithful minister of the gospel cannot be saved; one who faithfully performs all the duties of that office with a right spirit, will be.
(from Barnes' Notes)
Keep trying CB Katherine, keep trying. ;)
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I am not redefining anything-I don't need to "fit" this into anything-YOU are the one who does that, and this is just part of your evil game to feed your agenda. Your own definition bites you again.

I am so tired of this junk-you just can't keep thinking you can get away with it, because we can ALL see what is going on. If you think you are fooling anyone, you are sorely mistaken. You are certainly not fooling God.

Do you believe that God saves or that you can save yourself? I bet you can't answer this question.

The scriptures HAVE to harmonize-you cannot just pick what you want and throw away the rest, which is something you are very consistent at. You are the one being dishonest.

[william]

Heath gets nailed again...
When will he be man enough to say he's wrong, he's been wrong, and his church has LED him wrong?
It's been proven already, he's just not man enough to face it.

[Heath]

Katherine wrote:

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I am not redefining anything-I don't need to "fit" this into anything-YOU are the one who does that, and this is just part of your evil game to feed your agenda. Your own definition bites you again.
I am so tired of this junk-you just can't keep thinking you can get away with it, because we can ALL see what is going on. If you think you are fooling anyone, you are sorely mistaken. You are certainly not fooling God.
Do you believe that God saves or that you can save yourself? I bet you can't answer this question.
The scriptures HAVE to harmonize-you cannot just pick what you want and throw away the rest, which is something you are very consistent at. You are the one being dishonest.

1 Tim 4:16
Take heed to yourself and to the DOCTRINE. Continue in them, for in doing this YOU WILL SAVE BOTH YOURSELF and those who hear you.

Explain this verse CB Katherine.

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[Heath]

Katherine wrote:

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I am not redefining anything-I don't need to "fit" this into anything-YOU are the one who does that, and this is just part of your evil game to feed your agenda. Your own definition bites you again.
I am so tired of this junk-you just can't keep thinking you can get away with it, because we can ALL see what is going on. If you think you are fooling anyone, you are sorely mistaken. You are certainly not fooling God.
Do you believe that God saves or that you can save yourself? I bet you can't answer this question.
The scriptures HAVE to harmonize-you cannot just pick what you want and throw away the rest, which is something you are very consistent at. You are the one being dishonest.

"I am so tired of this junk-" CB Katherine.

Ah, why don't run like you did before? False teachers like you can't handle the truth. LAH is running away and if you hurry you can catch up. ;)

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[PS23LAH]

Hey Heath,
If you want me to stay and keep you company you just have to ask. You don't have to use reverse physiology to get me to stay. Just say pretty please.:)

Do you have abandonment issues?

I will give you a tip for free, but only this once next time it will cost you.

The Golden Rule in the World Religions

Christianity: All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 7:1

Confucianism: Do not do to others what you would not like yourself. Then there will be no resentment against you, either in the family or in the state.
Analects 12:2

Buddhism: Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful.
Udana-Varga 5,1

Hinduism: This is the sum of duty; do naught onto others what you would not have them do unto you.
Mahabharata 5,1517

Islam: No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself.
Sunnah

Judaism: What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellowman. This is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary.
Talmud, Shabbat 3id

Taoism: Regard your neighbor’s gain as your gain, and your neighbor’s loss as your own loss.
Tai Shang Kan Yin P’ien

Zoroastrianism: That nature alone is good which refrains from doing another whatsoever is not good for itself.
Dadisten-I-dinik, 94,5

[Katherine]

Heath wrote:

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"I am so tired of this junk-" CB Katherine.
Ah, why don't run like you did before? False teachers like you can't handle the truth. LAH is running away and if you hurry you can catch up. ;)
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You'd like that wouldn't you? You don't like what I am saying so you are trying to make me go away. That is certainly a mark of a false teacher and someone who wants ultimate control-which is what you would like so you can further your agenda. You don't like it that people stand up against it and won't listen to anyone. I sure hope you listen to God one day-maybe you will listen to Him enough when He tells you He sent messengers to you and you ignored them.

I don't run. Nobody has run from the "truth" Heath except for you. People try to show you the truth;l then you attack, gossip, slander, and distort what they say-then tell them they are running-all so you can feel like you have the upper hand (which you never had to begin with). It is all part of your sick, very twisted little game.

I can handle the truth-what I am tired of is your manipulative, egotistical, non-sensical, and rude behavior-acting like you know it all, when you really don't. You can't even admit when you have been proven wrong-you just attack and try to change the subject to take us off your scent. Ah, but we know what is going on and are not eluded, so we've got your number. You are not fooling anyone, especially God. You may think you have your family or your congregation fooled, but you lose here.

[Katherine]

I asked a question first, and so far I am right because you have not answered it. Care to try again?

Do you believe that God saves or that you can save yourself?

[Heath]

1 Tim 4:16
Take heed to yourself and to the DOCTRINE. Continue in them, for in doing this YOU WILL SAVE BOTH YOURSELF and those who hear you.

Explain this verse CB Katherine. Pretty please.

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[Katherine]

I am working on it. Why don't you give me the courtesy of answering this simple question...or can you answer it?:

Do you believe that God saves or that you can save yourself?

[Katherine]

You seemed to have missed this, and I think it is worth repeating:

You are simply wasting your time condemning others while you COULD be showing them the LOVE of Christ. Like I have said before, you will be held accountable for those actions. Though you have to have a very hardened heart to stand in a pulpit before and after you ridicule, mock, slander, and twist what people are saying in an ATTEMPT to make you look better. It keeps backfiring on you.

If only you would fully embrace the love and grace of Christ-what a completely different person we would see here.

[Heath]

Katherine wrote:

I am working on it. Why don't you give me the courtesy of answering this simple question...or can you answer it?:
Do you believe that God saves or that you can save yourself?

"Do you believe that God saves or that you can save yourself?" Katherine asked.

BOTH-I save myself when I choose to believe and obey the Savior's will. That does not make me the Savior.

Illustration- I fall into a pit. You come along and throw down a rope with a harness on it to save me. I save myself by putting on the harness, but you would be my savior because you provided salvation for me by pulling me out.

You'd probably would leave me down there and throw rocks at me and spit on me. Just kidding! ;)

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[Heath]

Katherine wrote:

You seemed to have missed this, and I think it is worth repeating:
You are simply wasting your time condemning others while you COULD be showing them the LOVE of Christ. Like I have said before, you will be held accountable for those actions. Though you have to have a very hardened heart to stand in a pulpit before and after you ridicule, mock, slander, and twist what people are saying in an ATTEMPT to make you look better. It keeps backfiring on you.
If only you would fully embrace the love and grace of Christ-what a completely different person we would see here.

Jesus condemned others (Matt. 23). Did he waste His time?

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