Synecdoches & The Word Of God

[william]

Check and see WHEN the Fullness of the Gospel was revealed and by whom.
Then Heath will say, "I'm sorry, William; you are right. My denomination has never shown me those passages before...but there it IS, sure as anything!"

[william]

Katherine is correct.
Nothing we say "gets through".
Not even Holy Scriptures can break through the Force Field that is constructed by the BORG.
Communicating with a Puppet is pointless. You're just a Puppet for the Borg, bud.

[william]

"So those in Acts 2 did not receive the fullness of the Gospel." (heath)

"If they HAD received the fullness of the gospel, the scriptures could not say what they do about the "fullness of the Gospel" being revealed through Paul.

Same thing with it being "Brought to Light".
If the whole thing had ALREADY been "brought to Light" by the First Shift on the scene, the scriptures could not say that the Word was "Brought to Light" through Paul.

And Paul was brought on the scene LONG after the "Day of Pentecost".
Like it or not, Heath; it's in there."

THINK, heath; THINK.

[william]

I'll try to simplify this, heath.
The Bible gives us all the parts to a magnificent 8-cylinder finely tuned engine. Enough power to run the whole Farm.
You're unfamiliar with many of the parts, so you simply laugh when you look at them.
You're barely running on maybe 2 cylinders, which isn't even enough to run your Weed Whacker.
So...you laugh at all others that have more Pistons firing than you do, because you don't recognize the parts.
And while you're putting along on your mis-firing Weed Whacker, others around you zoom along on the Highway, while you just shake your fist at them and laugh.
Watch out for the Armadillos, they'll run you over.

[Heath]

william wrote:

"My question is this. Why does the Church of Christ always go to Acts 2:38 and never to Galatians 3:2?" william asked
The question stands.
You do NOT "go to both passages". No Church of Christ Tracts or material that I have ever seen go to Galatians 3:2 to show that one receives the Spirit "by believing what was heard".
You're just flat-out dancing, heath.

"The question stands.
You do NOT "go to both passages". No Church of Christ Tracts or material that I have ever seen go to Galatians 3:2 to show that one receives the Spirit "by believing what was heard"." william ignorantly said.

William the liar has struck again. Email me your address and I'll send tracts and sermons on CD where preachers go to both passages.

I won't hold my breath for that email. ;)

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[Heath]

william wrote:

"So those in Acts 2 did not receive the fullness of the Gospel." (heath)
"If they HAD received the fullness of the gospel, the scriptures could not say what they do about the "fullness of the Gospel" being revealed through Paul.
Same thing with it being "Brought to Light".
If the whole thing had ALREADY been "brought to Light" by the First Shift on the scene, the scriptures could not say that the Word was "Brought to Light" through Paul.
And Paul was brought on the scene LONG after the "Day of Pentecost".
Like it or not, Heath; it's in there."
THINK, heath; THINK.

"If they HAD received the fullness of the gospel, the scriptures could not say what they do about the "fullness of the Gospel" being revealed through Paul." william said

And where is that passage?

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[Heath]

Now please answer my questions.

So those in Acts 2 were-

A. Partially saved (forgiven) and received some of the gift of the Holy Spirit.

B. Completely saved (forgiven) and received all of the gift of the Holy Spirit.

What "fullness" of the gospel did Peter leave out?

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[Heath]

J. W. McGarvey and Philip Y. Pendleton
Thessalonians, Corinthians, Galatians and Romans (1916)

Rom. 8:1-2
[This chapter describes, as Meyer says, "the happy condition of a man in Christ," and is, as Tholuck observes, "the climax of this Epistle."] 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.[From all that I have written, it is a just conclusion that, under Christ, we are so fully justified from sin that those who are in him shall stand uncondemned at the last judgment, since there is now no ground for their condemnation. For the gospel, or LAW, given by the Holy Spirit, who is the spirit of life, has made me free from law (whether given by Moses or otherwise) which produces sin and death. Laws which can not be obeyed result in sin, and sin ends in death.]

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[william]

"The question stands.
You do NOT "go to both passages". No Church of Christ Tracts or material that I have ever seen go to Galatians 3:2 to show that one receives the Spirit "by believing what was heard"." william ignorantly said.

"William the liar has struck again. Email me your address and I'll send tracts and sermons on CD where preachers go to both passages.

I won't hold my breath for that email. ;)"

No need to hold your breath, Heath.
You are the King of Tracts on this website.
Just post one here.
Why would you post every OTHER subject under the sun, yet hold out on this one? Something smells fishy.
Sorry Heath, but you have shown that you cannot be trusted.

[william]

Heath posted;
"J. W. McGarvey and Philip Y. Pendleton
Thessalonians, Corinthians, Galatians and Romans (1916)

Rom. 8:1-2
[This chapter describes, as Meyer says, "the happy condition of a man in Christ," and is, as Tholuck observes, "the climax of this Epistle."] 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.[From all that I have written, it is a just conclusion that, under Christ, we are so fully justified from sin that those who are in him shall stand uncondemned at the last judgment, since there is now no ground for their condemnation. For the gospel, or LAW, given by the Holy Spirit, who is the spirit of life, has made me free from law (whether given by Moses or otherwise) which produces sin and death. Laws which can not be obeyed result in sin, and sin ends in death.]"

Hmmm. Sounds dangerously similar to what that Baptist guy said that you love to quote, heath.
That one is not condemned while in Christ, even though we sin.
So why would you post this man's Article as if it were Truth, yet mock the Baptist guy for saying the same thing?

[Heath]

william wrote:

Heath posted;
"J. W. McGarvey and Philip Y. Pendleton
Thessalonians, Corinthians, Galatians and Romans (1916)
Rom. 8:1-2
[This chapter describes, as Meyer says, "the happy condition of a man in Christ," and is, as Tholuck observes, "the climax of this Epistle."] 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.[From all that I have written, it is a just conclusion that, under Christ, we are so fully justified from sin that those who are in him shall stand uncondemned at the last judgment, since there is now no ground for their condemnation. For the gospel, or LAW, given by the Holy Spirit, who is the spirit of life, has made me free from law (whether given by Moses or otherwise) which produces sin and death. Laws which can not be obeyed result in sin, and sin ends in death.]"
Hmmm. Sounds dangerously similar to what that Baptist guy said that you love to quote, heath.
That one is not condemned while in Christ, even though we sin.
So why would you post this man's Article as if it were Truth, yet mock the Baptist guy for saying the same thing?

"For the gospel, or LAW, given by the Holy Spirit, who is the spirit of life, has made me free from law (whether given by Moses or otherwise) which produces sin and death."
"J. W. McGarvey and Philip Y. Pendleton
Thessalonians, Corinthians, Galatians and Romans (1916)
Rom. 8:1-2

"For the gospel, or LAW, given by the Holy Spirit..."

Repetition is the key to learning.

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[Heath]

???

So those in Acts 2 were-

A. Partially saved (forgiven) and received some of the gift of the Holy Spirit.

B. Completely saved (forgiven) and received all of the gift of the Holy Spirit.

What "fullness" of the gospel did Peter leave out?

www.roysecitycoc.org

[william]

We must try again for the hard of hearing;
Heath posted;
"J. W. McGarvey and Philip Y. Pendleton
Thessalonians, Corinthians, Galatians and Romans (1916)
Rom. 8:1-2
[This chapter describes, as Meyer says, "the happy condition of a man in Christ," and is, as Tholuck observes, "the climax of this Epistle."] 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.[From all that I have written, it is a just conclusion that, under Christ, we are so fully justified from sin that those who are in him shall stand uncondemned at the last judgment, since there is now no ground for their condemnation. For the gospel, or LAW, given by the Holy Spirit, who is the spirit of life, has made me free from law (whether given by Moses or otherwise) which produces sin and death. Laws which can not be obeyed result in sin, and sin ends in death.]"
Hmmm. Sounds dangerously similar to what that Baptist guy said that you love to quote, heath.
That one is not condemned while in Christ, even though we sin.
So why would you post this man's Article as if it were Truth, yet mock the Baptist guy for saying the same thing?"

And now you came full circle back around to "LAW" which, in the way you are looking at it, only condemns. LAW doesn't give life, Law only condemns.
But you posted a man's words who rightly seemed to state a condition of "NO" condemnation for those in Christ...and you condemn the Baptists for saying the same thing....and now again all you can see is LAW.
You are not free, heath. You are in bondage.
You also cannot read posts. You post Articles of Men you don't even believe in. You keep asking for answers that have already been given, and you have done that for as long as I can remember.
You need to slow down, read the posts, then read it again until you actually gain some understanding of the thing. Only THEN will you not look like a Clown for continuing to ask for what you have already received.
As I said, you get no more until you show an understanding of what you've already been given.

[william]

"If they HAD received the fullness of the gospel, the scriptures could not say what they do about the "fullness of the Gospel" being revealed through Paul." william said

"And where is that passage?" (Heath)

You are Israel's teacher, and yet you do not know these things?
Surely you have read these things many times. God gave Paul a "commission" "to present to you the Word of God in it's Fullness".(Col 1) This mystery was that Christ IN the Believer is his hope of glory. If Christ is not IN you, you do not belong to Him, no matter how many times you have been dipped in water.
And surely you know of the passages of Paul being chosen by God as the "Chosen Vessel"? That's a singular term, you know. Paul was special. The Word was "brought to Light" through him.
Do you need all these passages posted for you, a supposed "Preacher" of the Word?
Some Preacher...

[william]

Heath, you seem to get the most of your doctrine from Peter, who after spending three years with Jesus and hearing all of His teachings, still "did not understand from scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead".(John)
Since Jesus had died and resurrected already by that time, our New Covenant was officially in effect. But Peter didn't even know that Jesus had to rise from the dead! He had to be "taught it".
And we see Peter being "taught" by even the Spirit Himself through the book of Acts.
By contrast, you never see Paul being "taught it", do you? In fact Paul said in Gal 1 that he was NOT "taught it". He got what he knew by direct revelation from Jesus Christ. In time all knew what had been given to Paul, but that was through God's Appointed Timing.
So why do you continue to get the most of your doctrine through Peter...the "Apostle for the Jews"...while he was still being "taught it"?

Answer ... because Peter's early preaching more closely matches the "Restoration" agenda of "going back" to the earliest days of the Church and finding "perfection" there.
From your posts Heath, you have obviously missed out on a LOT of our New Covenant teaching.
It shows.

[william]

Heath quotes:
"For the gospel, or LAW, given by the Holy Spirit, who is the spirit of life, has made me free from law (whether given by Moses or otherwise) which produces sin and death."
"J. W. McGarvey and Philip Y. Pendleton"

Oh Wise One, do you see your own double-talk?
The full circle in the way that you see this new "LAW", which brings you right back around again to being "under condemnation" for obeying it perfectly?
You have everyone here "under condemnation" by you, because that's the way you envision God looking at YOU.
That's why you know not grace, nor extend grace to others.

What's it take to make a light bulb turn on in your head?

[william]

Make that, "for NOT obeying it perfectly".

[william]

Wise One says:
"Repetition is the key to learning."

I would say that is true, as long as someone has bothered to read this stuff in the first place.
If you just repeat what your denomination gives you over and over again, that's all you are going to know.
And Heath, you are a master Case in Point. You know your denomination's stance on everything, but you do not venture out past those things. You keep saying "Huh? What? Where is that found?"

[william]

"The LAW came through Moses. Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ".

[william]

I'm missing Katherine and Gail.