No deal for Cuban spies

Dec 9, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Miami Herald

It was reassuring last week to hear from a ranking official of the State Department that there is no plan in the works, and none foreseen, to engage in a spy swap with Cuba that would involve trading U.S. government subcontractor Alan Gross for five Cuban spies convicted in Miami.

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FEED THE VERMIN TO THE S H A R K S !!!!!

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No deal for Cuban spies

OUR OPINION: There is no parallel between Alan Gross and Cuba’s espionage agents!

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By The Miami Herald Editorial
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It was reassuring last week to hear from a ranking official of the State Department that there is no plan in the works, and none foreseen, to engage in a spy swap with Cuba that would involve trading U.S. government subcontractor Alan Gross for five Cuban spies convicted in Miami.

Four of them are still serving time and another is serving a three-year parole somewhere in the United States.(should be identified and terminated) The Obama administration official, speaking anonymously but clearly reflecting administration policy, said such a trade would be unacceptable.

No deal: That should continue to be the standard reply from Washington to Havana whenever the topic comes up.

Trading spies for hostages is a bad policy under any circumstances, especially when dealing with a cynical and corrupt regime like the one in Cuba.

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Last week, Mr. Gross, 63 and in deteriorating health, completed three years in a miserable Cuban jail, denied basic services and needed medical attention because the Cuban government is trying to use him as bait to get their spies back to Havana. The Cuban government and its sympathizers say Cuba is merely seeking some sort of “humanitarian” exchange as part of this deal, but no one should be fooled by such "spurious reasoning."

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-As the State Department official rightly pointed out:“There is no parallel between the two cases.”-

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-The unfortunate Mr. Gross, of Potomac, Md., became a pawn in Cuba’s sinister spy games when he was arrested in Havana on Dec. 3, 2009 after delivering three satellite telephones for use by members of Cuba’s isolated Jewish community so they could have access the Internet and contact people abroad without using the government’s tightly monitored telephone monopoly. It was part of a U.S. government pro-democracy program designed to reach out to the Cuban people.-

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--For that, Mr. Gross was sentenced to 15 years in prison for acts against Cuba’s “independence or territorial integrity.”

That borders on the absurd. This kind of activity may have violated some Customs rules, but it’s perfectly legal anywhere in the world except in totalitarian regimes with arbitrary judicial systems and laws that can be twisted to achieve political objectives. And it certainly doesn’t rise to the level of “espionage” by any customary definition.--

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*Meanwhile, the so-called “avispa”(Wasp) network of Cuban spies engaged in a series of actions that clearly violated U.S. laws. They spied on military facilitees and infiltrated anti-Castro groups with the aim of obtaining intelligence that could be useful to the Cuban government.

Of the four who are still imprisoned, one is serving two life sentences on murder-conspiracy charges for helping Cuban warplanes shoot down two civilian airplanes in 1996, killing all four South Florida men aboard.*ASESINO!!!!*

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A SUPERB ARTICLE!!!

The Obama administration reportedly will continue its policy of trying to engage with ordinary Cubans — it has lifted most restrictions on Cuban-American travel and remittances. But, as the State Department official told The Herald, it is “very hard to see us making progress in bilateral relations while he is in jail.”

If Cuba is serious about wanting to improve relations with the United States, as it has repeatedly claimed of late, the first step must be the release of Alan Gross. The Obama administration must make it clear that this is a pre-condition for any movement. Until he is released, relations will remain frozen.

If Obama maintains this poture.....KUDOS TO OBAMA!
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Those 5 spies will rot in jail.

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The Cuban Five are all guilty....they share same beliefs, objectives, agenda and idology...FEED THEM ALL TO THE S H A R K S !!!
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They probably tried to but the sharks wouldn't touch him, so they put Alan in a nice Cuban Detention Centre, so he would be safe and kept in good health for the next 12 years. Do the crime then, do the time.
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--For that, Mr. Gross was sentenced to 15 years in prison for acts against Cuba’s “independence or territorial integrity.”
That borders on the absurd. This kind of activity may have violated some Customs rules, but it’s perfectly legal anywhere in the world except in totalitarian regimes with arbitrary judicial systems and laws that can be twisted to achieve political objectives. And it certainly doesn’t rise to the level of “espionage” by any customary definition.--
I wonder if other people have the same take as I do on the American's Stand on this situation? The way I see it is this; Alan Gross was getting paid to deliver sims, for satellite phones, that would hide the sender's location, for a radius of 200 miles. These sims were only available to the US Military and the CIA,(and its various divisions). This is a distinct contravention of Cuban Law. He also signed his Cuban Visa to show that the reason for his visit was, as a 'tourist', another lie (and Cuban Violation). He was also working as a contractor for a division of the USAID,(a real misnomer, if ever there was one). USAID is an organization that aids USA, all right, but it does so by paying dissidents, and insurgents, to destabilize countries' duly-elected governments, in order to cause what they call, "Regime-Change". The U.S. is doing this in over 70 countries around the world, RIGHT NOW. Mr. Gross was paid a VERY large sum to carry out this deception, and unfortunately,(for him), The Cubans arrested and tried him in a court of law and found him guilty. Hillary Clinton, is chirping away in the US SENATE, how Alan, is not guilty of any
crime, and should be released immediately. She KNOWS, that Alan broke many Cuban Laws, and that he was working as a contractor for a CIA division of the US Government, yet, she keeps on with the same rhetoric. IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN HILLARY!
Now compare this scenario to the Cuban 5, the Cubans arrested in Florida and sentenced to enormously long sentences, with nothing but here-say evidence, and trumped-up charges. The whole world knows this, and dignitaries, from many countries, have asked the US Government to re-open this case. The US, Florida-Miami-Batista-Cubans,( who seem to control the US Government Foreign Policy), have managed to stifle all attempts, much to the chagrin of all fair-minded citizens of the world.
SHAME ON YOU UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT!
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rTkLa1 wrote:
By The Miami Herald Editorial
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It was reassuring last week to hear from a ranking official of the State Department that there is no plan in the works, and none foreseen, to engage in a spy swap with Cuba that would involve trading U.S. government subcontractor Alan Gross for five Cuban spies convicted in Miami.
Four of them are still serving time and another is serving a three-year parole somewhere in the United States.(should be identified and terminated) The Obama administration official, speaking anonymously but clearly reflecting administration policy, said such a trade would be unacceptable.
No deal: That should continue to be the standard reply from Washington to Havana whenever the topic comes up.
Trading spies for hostages is a bad policy under any circumstances, especially when dealing with a cynical and corrupt regime like the one in Cuba.
Your last sentence says it all, except for one thing. Change the last word FROM CUBA, to, THE UNITED STATES. This is what caring citizens' and Diplomats AND The United Nations have been asking for, for the last 21 years. Ignore the world-wide opinion of this terrible Travesty of Justice, at your peril, United States Government.
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They probably tried to but the sharks wouldn't touch him, so they put Alan in a nice Cuban Detention Centre, so he would be safe and kept in good health for the next 12 years. Do the crime then, do the time.
"in a nice Cuban Detention Centre""?????
Either you are a clown or just an azzhole!!
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<quoted text>I wonder if other people have the same take as I do on the American's Stand on this situation? The way I see it is this; Alan Gross was getting paid to deliver sims, for satellite phones, that would hide the sender's location, for a radius of 200 miles. These sims were only available to the US Military and the CIA,(and its various divisions). This is a distinct contravention of Cuban Law. He also signed his Cuban Visa to show that the reason for his visit was, as a 'tourist', another lie (and Cuban Violation). He was also working as a contractor for a division of the USAID,(a real misnomer, if ever there was one). USAID is an organization that aids USA, all right, but it does so by paying dissidents, and insurgents, to destabilize countries' duly-elected governments, in order to cause what they call, "Regime-Change". The U.S. is doing this in over 70 countries around the world, RIGHT NOW. Mr. Gross was paid a VERY large sum to carry out this deception, and unfortunately,(for him), The Cubans arrested and tried him in a court of law and found him guilty. Hillary Clinton, is chirping away in the US SENATE, how Alan, is not guilty of any
crime, and should be released immediately. She KNOWS, that Alan broke many Cuban Laws, and that he was working as a contractor for a CIA division of the US Government, yet, she keeps on with the same rhetoric. IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN HILLARY!
Now compare this scenario to the Cuban 5, the Cubans arrested in Florida and sentenced to enormously long sentences, with nothing but here-say evidence, and trumped-up charges. The whole world knows this, and dignitaries, from many countries, have asked the US Government to re-open this case. The US, Florida-Miami-Batista-Cubans,( who seem to control the US Government Foreign Policy), have managed to stifle all attempts, much to the chagrin of all fair-minded citizens of the world.
SHAME ON YOU UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT!
The United states REGARDLESS of President is a 100% hypocrite and there will be no change as the masses here are ill informed and easily conned puppets.

Much of Europe realize this but our lap dog the UK does what we tell her to.

We actually categorize anyone we want as a terrorist and lock them up and throw away the key, the brainless morons who support this such as rtk1 are to stupid to grasp that they could one day be the victim of this.

Since this forum is about Cuba this shows what hypocrites we are-

"1952-1959: CUBA. Would-be Cuban strongman Fulgencio Batista has been languishing in the land of the free, like so many American puppet dictators-in-waiting. He runs for election in 1952 but, facing defeat, spearheads a U.S.-sponsored coup which overthrows the democratically-elected government of Carlos Prio Socorras. The Batista dictatorship is brutal, ruthless and profoundly evil, even by America's demanding standards.

Batista suspends the Cuban constitution, destroys all political freedom and turns Cuba into a haven for drugs, gambling, prostitution and the Mafia, especially FBI Director J. "Edna" Hoover's good friend Meyer Lansky. Havana becomes home to dozens of Mafia-owned hotels and casinos. American business interests, most notably Nazi-linked DuPont and United Fruit, prosper. Freedom of speech is destroyed and hundreds of teachers, lawyers and public officials are fired from their jobs. Death squads, notably the deceptively-named Buro de Represion Actividades Communistas (BRAC), created by the CIA in 1956, kidnap, torture and murder thousands of Cubans under America's firm guiding hand. Batista's U.S. sponsored reign of terror will go on until ended by Fidel Castro in 1959.

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Gitano wrote:
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The United states REGARDLESS of President is a 100% hypocrite and there will be no change as the masses here are ill informed and easily conned puppets.
Much of Europe realize this but our lap dog the UK does what we tell her to.
We actually categorize anyone we want as a terrorist and lock them up and throw away the key, the brainless morons who support this such as rtk1 are to stupid to grasp that they could one day be the victim of this.
Since this forum is about Cuba this shows what hypocrites we are-
"1952-1959: CUBA. Would-be Cuban strongman Fulgencio Batista has been languishing in the land of the free, like so many American puppet dictators-in-waiting. He runs for election in 1952 but, facing defeat, spearheads a U.S.-sponsored coup which overthrows the democratically-elected government of Carlos Prio Socorras. The Batista dictatorship is brutal, ruthless and profoundly evil, even by America's demanding standards.
Batista suspends the Cuban constitution, destroys all political freedom and turns Cuba into a haven for drugs, gambling, prostitution and the Mafia, especially FBI Director J. "Edna" Hoover's good friend Meyer Lansky. Havana becomes home to dozens of Mafia-owned hotels and casinos. American business interests, most notably Nazi-linked DuPont and United Fruit, prosper. Freedom of speech is destroyed and hundreds of teachers, lawyers and public officials are fired from their jobs. Death squads, notably the deceptively-named Buro de Represion Actividades Communistas (BRAC), created by the CIA in 1956, kidnap, torture and murder thousands of Cubans under America's firm guiding hand. Batista's U.S. sponsored reign of terror will go on until ended by Fidel Castro in 1959.
http://mtwsfh.blogspot.com/
Boy,you really have a crush with Batista!That's sick!
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They probably tried to but the sharks wouldn't touch him, so they put Alan in a nice Cuban Detention Centre, so he would be safe and kept in good health for the next 12 years. Do the crime then, do the time.
You are a SOB f##cking bastard!
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<quoted text> Your last sentence says it all, except for one thing. Change the last word FROM CUBA, to, THE UNITED STATES. This is what caring citizens' and Diplomats AND The United Nations have been asking for, for the last 21 years. Ignore the world-wide opinion of this terrible Travesty of Justice, at your peril, United States Government.
We are also involved in Canadas politics instead of minding our own business.

"U.S. funding helped to re-open the Canadian abortion debate"

The Canadian abortion debate, seemingly laid to rest in the 80s, has seen a new resurgence in part because of U.S. funding on this side of the border.

Research on tax filings and joint ventures of charitable organizations show support for Canada’s pro-life movement from Catholic groups in the United States, as well as increasing support for the cause among MPs aligned with religious organizations.

http://www.vancouverobserver.com/politics/inv...
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American corporate greed and the war machine are killing us and killing countless innocent Afghanistan children and elderly just like we have been doing to much of the world.

We constantly lie about Canada to the ill informed American masses.

"The Koch Brothers Lie About Canadian Healthcare"

"The first illusion in the US, is that of 'choice'. For the most part, people are getting the health care the company they work for provides for them. There is little difference between one provider and the next.

In the US, the blur between business and health care has caused a lot of damage. The profit motive often overrides health care priorities.'Pre-existing conditions' can wipe you out simply because an insurer can no longer make a lot of profit off of you.

The typical US HMO offers worse service than is available in Canada. And in Canada, I can travel to any province and expect treatment.(In the US, you are generally limited to only one hospital.) A US HMO is more limited, and costs a lot more since it must make a profit."

http://www.desmogblog.com/2012/09/04/koch-bro...

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